U.P. Caregiver Seeking Patients

panhead

panhead

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fourtwentychat said:
panhead said:
Troll you say,read my bio on this site,i spent 90% of my time on this site helping newbs & established growers alike & never once pumped the membership to line my pockets, or make profit in any way,i hold a 49% share in a co-op in the lower half & not once have i mentioned the name of my business in a thread ,or soliceted the membership.
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I was under the impression that non-profits didn't have any sort of "ownership rights." That is, a founder *can* be director/ceo/board member, but not actually "owner." Is this correct? So, how does one own 49% of a co-op?

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Clever word games are needed to stay open in mich,any mj based business who uses the d word in describing the business has just painted a bullsey
On themselves & will not be open long , then nobody gets help.

The main thing is that patients who are gracious enough to name somebody as their grower gets 2.5 0z's per harvest at no charge,anybody who is charging their patients for thier meds ,then justifying it to pay their power bill & for their time is not acting fairly.

I personally operate 6 4x8 flood & drain tables with the max plant count & until i recently retired 6 months ago worked 12 hrs a day 6 days a week,ive never charged my patients one red cent,overage is where caregivers are supposed to make expense reimbursement,not charging the patient.
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panhead

panhead

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Pimpernickel said:
I don't truly care about helping sick people, I'm a caregiver because I require money for my family. Helping people is just a pleasant benefit of my job. Gratz on your high post count, I'm too busy working and taking care of my family, and my patients. I even have one who told me he likes to smoke for fun, he's not gravely ill, he could get by without it. He's my favorite patient.
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My high post count took years to acquire & not from wasting time bs'ing about nonsense,it came from helping newbs & learning what i needed to learn,i worked 31 yrs & put 2 sons thru college with a 3rd with 3 yrs to go,id say i know about work & bills.

On top of being a club owner im a grower & i take care of my wife who is dying from advanced stage RA MS,my patients recieve meds free of charge.

Again,according to mich mmmp stats 83% of cardholders in mich are white males under 30 yrs old,do the rest of really have to wonder why even the most sympathetic politician is fed the f up with the blatant abuse of the law?
 
panhead

panhead

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Pimpernickel said:
You're a cunt. There's no shame in growing MMJ to support yourself and your family, there's work that needs to be done, I'm doing it. If you holy rollers were really so good at growing and give your shit away for free then I should be on unemployment instead of working.
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Easy big fella,no need for cussing,this is a hot topic for some.

One thing we agree on is the statement i quoted & i agree,however i dont agree with charging personal patients,unless they belong to the group who use for fun.

A question for you,there are people in mich who are truly sick & dying who need desperately to find you & recieve help from your experience,why waste time f-ing around with the back ache group, go to your local oncologists office & offer your services,gravely ill people use very little smoke,most need medibles,hash & simpson oil,all of which are made from harvest waste & popcorn buds,you can still support the family & help at the same time.

Trust me,get real patients who need medicine not the back ache adhd gang & youll feel better than you ever have.

For everybody who is mad about clubs charging $20 a gram ,those prices are not charged to patients with any of the major diseases needed to qualify,if you have a major disease show the staff proof & every club im familiar with will medicate at seriously discounted rates,in some cases free of charge.
 
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fourtwentychat

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panhead said:
Clever word games are needed to stay open in mich,any mj based business who uses the d word in describing the business has just painted a bullsey
On themselves & will not be open long , then nobody gets help.

The main thing is that patients who are gracious enough to name somebody as their grower gets 2.5 0z's per harvest at no charge,anybody who is charging their patients for thier meds ,then justifying it to pay their power bill & for their time is not acting fairly.

I personally operate 6 4x8 flood & drain tables with the max plant count & until i recently retired 6 months ago worked 12 hrs a day 6 days a week,ive never charged my patients one red cent,overage is where caregivers are supposed to make expense reimbursement,not charging the patient.
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You quoted my question, but didn't really seem to answer it. I was asking about your 49% ownership stake in a non-profit. Granted I'm not business savvy, but I thought that everyone working *for* a non-profit is actually a paid employee. That is, there are no actual owners; is this not the case?
 
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fourtwentychat

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jesus of Cannabis said:
most "employees" of non profits are volunteers that align with your cause.
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Thanks for the info. I was essentially asking where the 49% ownership claim came from (panhead stated that he "holds a 49% share in a co-op"). I was under the impression that nobody actually has "ownership" of a non-profit? However, a person may still be a paid employee (director, supervisor, whatever). Am I mistaken?
 
jesus of Cannabis

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anyone can set up a non profit and make money. they get paid before any of the revenue or donations are labeled as non profit, you have to pay the house before you get a cut.
When katrina hit N.O. the CEO of the united Way was on with a pinstripe suit, gold chains all dapper looking sitting there asking for $$. he makes his yearly salary first before anyone sees those donations.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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panhead said:
My high post count took years to acquire & not from wasting time bs'ing about nonsense,it came from helping newbs & learning what i needed to learn,i worked 31 yrs & put 2 sons thru college with a 3rd with 3 yrs to go,id say i know about work & bills.

On top of being a club owner im a grower & i take care of my wife who is dying from advanced stage RA MS,my patients recieve meds free of charge.

Again,according to mich mmmp stats 83% of cardholders in mich are white males under 30 yrs old,do the rest of really have to wonder why even the most sympathetic politician is fed the f up with the blatant abuse of the law?
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that is a very funny statement " why even the most sympathetic politician is fed the f up with the blatant abuse of the law?"...politicians are some of biggest scumbags in this country, who routinely break many laws that they themselves vote on and even draft..how bout their constituents are fed the fuck up with these dirty ass greedy pols .... why do you even care what pimpernickel or any other grower is doing?? ..hey you may operate in a different matter than pimpernickel or some others..by why judge? both are on the same side..right?...nobody should even need a fucking card to smoke or grow..wake up
 
Buddy Ganga

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Corso312 said:
that is a very funny statement " why even the most sympathetic politician is fed the f up with the blatant abuse of the law?"...politicians are some of biggest scumbags in this country, who routinely break many laws that they themselves vote on and even draft..how bout their constituents are fed the fuck up with these dirty ass greedy pols .... why do you even care what pimpernickel or any other grower is doing?? ..hey you may operate in a different matter than pimpernickel or some others..by why judge? both are on the same side..right?...nobody should even need a fucking card to smoke or grow..wake up
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But no shit though, more evidence that common sense isn't so common any more.

We care because when fucks like him get caught (and he will) they use his actions to discredit the entire program..
If the asshat is only in it for the money, and doesn't give a fuck about the laws, they why try hiding behind the medical laws,
why not just be a run of the mill drug dealer that he is with out involving the the state ?
 
Corso312

Corso312

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i imagine getting pinched over your limit with a card..is better than getting pinched with no card at all
 
Buddy Ganga

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Right.

And after enough of those types get busted and they do away with the program or over regulate it what are the rest of us to do ?
Everyone will face the consequences of such actions...
 
Corso312

Corso312

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ohhh ok so since you are retired and financially secure and have your card and your business..everyone should just fall into line..o.k. got it..
 
panhead

panhead

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fourtwentychat said:
You quoted my question, but didn't really seem to answer it. I was asking about your 49% ownership stake in a non-profit. Granted I'm not business savvy, but I thought that everyone working *for* a non-profit is actually a paid employee. That is, there are no actual owners; is this not the case?
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Sorry for being vague in my response but it is what it is,court cases are full of evidince obtained from foolish people who dont think before they type, social network sites are frequently used as evidence & will be treated as an admission of guilt.

However i did infact directly answer your question,our lawyers have made it very clear to us that if either founder ever uses the d word in talking about the business sooner or later that one word will shut us down.
 
panhead

panhead

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Corso312 said:
that is a very funny statement " why even the most sympathetic politician is fed the f up with the blatant abuse of the law?"...politicians are some of biggest scumbags in this country, who routinely break many laws that they themselves vote on and even draft..how bout their constituents are fed the fuck up with these dirty ass greedy pols .... why do you even care what pimpernickel or any other grower is doing?? ..hey you may operate in a different matter than pimpernickel or some others..by why judge? both are on the same side..right?...nobody should even need a fucking card to smoke or grow..wake up
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We judge because we all have a stake in this & some rely on the program for quality of life.

As for why we should care about crooked politicians the reason is painfully obvious,they hold all the keys to.the castle & until there are sweeping changes in the way government operates then were all stuck playing the game where they make all the rules.

When the negative overwhelms the positive the politicans & media will quickly turn against us.
 
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fourtwentychat

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panhead said:
Sorry for being vague in my response but it is what it is,court cases are full of evidince obtained from foolish people who dont think before they type, social network sites are frequently used as evidence & will be treated as an admission of guilt.

However i did infact directly answer your question,our lawyers have made it very clear to us that if either founder ever uses the d word in talking about the business sooner or later that one word will shut us down.
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But I am not using any d word; I am simply asking where the number 49% comes from. Assuming the co-op (no d word) is non-profit then how can anyone have any percentage of ownership at all?
 
Corso312

Corso312

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well i can guarantee that your co-op turns a profit selling marijuana..if it did not turn a profit there would be plywood on the doors and windows and a for rent sign...so basically you can make money selling green but that dude can't..lets just keep it real and call it what it is
 
Buddy Ganga

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Ownership is the quantitative difference between for- and not-for-profit organizations. For-profit organizations can be privately owned and may re-distribute taxable wealth to employees and shareholders. By contrast, not-for-profit organizations do not have private owners. They have controlling members or boards, but these people cannot sell their shares to others or personally benefit in any taxable way.

While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its self-preservation, expansion and future plans. Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders.[3] While some nonprofit organizations put substantial funds into hiring and rewarding their internal corporate leadership, middle-management personnel and workers, others employ unpaid volunteers and even executives may work for no compensation. However, since the late 1980s there has been a growing consensus that nonprofits can achieve their corporate targets more effectively by using some of the same methods developed in for-profit enterprises. These include effective internal management, ensuring accountability for results, and monitoring the performance of different divisions or projects in order to better benefit from their capital and workers. Those require satisfied management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's mission.[4]


So, from what he's said, his friend has 1% more "control" then he does.

Honestly, if that isn't enough to satisfy you, then you're either a cop trying to get him to incriminate himself, or you lack the common sense needed to understand the answer.

And Corso, we are calling it what it is, one's legit(caregiver) and the other's not. (dope dealer)
 
Corso312

Corso312

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yeah and get fucked with your "one is legit and one is not" bullshit...i am sure if the dude in upper michigan had as much green as the co op did..he could give 5% away for free too and he would not feel it either...you are both cool in my book...but i hate people who judge and talk shit when they are doing the exact same thing..i completely understand why you do not want to have this conversation for everyone to see but do not jump on a guy who is not doing anything wrong and get on your soap box.
 
jesus of Cannabis

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Corso312 said:
i imagine getting pinched over your limit with a card..is better than getting pinched with no card at all
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In my mind, if you have a card and are over the limit of your legal quantity then you deserve more time in the county hotel because you know better.
and enough with the "paperwork is in the mail."
 
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