The sequel with Ray Liotta? Now that was something.
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Fogdog
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I can see why eastern Oregon residents, all 100,000 of them in five counties and nearly half the state would feel like they have no voice in Salem. Portland Metro area has 30 times their population. It's true that their economies and values are more similar to Idaho than Oregon. OTOH, Oregon has pumped a lot of money into the infrastructure and schools for those counties that Idaho would not have been able to do. Those areas contain land that our expanding economy can grow into amd is not being used efficiently. So, I don't see what Oregon gets out of it.From two weeks ago. You have to look under The Greater Idaho Movement now..it all starts at the bottom, Fog. The Portland angst was a precursor because surely the President-turned-Dictator was going to help it along and achieve their goal.
'Greater Idaho' movement gains momentum; Idaho lawmakers pass resolution to begin talks
Lawmakers didn't vote to change the border, but to simply begin talks with Oregon about moving it to absorb several eastern counties.www.kgw.com
Keep your eye on this- it's coming.
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CunningCanuk
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Trump’s lawyers argue against cameras in courtroom: ‘Would cause circus-like atmosphere’
Lawyers for former President Trump are urging the judge in his Manhattan criminal case to not allow cameras inside the courtroom on Tuesday, when he is expected to appear before the court for arraignment after being indicted by a New York grand jury last week.
Trump’s team is arguing that the cameras would cause a “circus-like atmosphere at the arraignment, raise unique security concerns, and is inconsistent with President Trump’s presumption of innocence,” in a letter to Judge Juan Merchan on Monday, according to CNBC. Merchan is set to decide today whether cameras will be allowed in the courtroom tomorrow.
New York is one of the only jurisdictions in the U.S. that still bars the use of cameras in the courtroom. But a group of media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, have urged Merchan to allow cameras into the room when Trump is arraigned. Merchan has discretion over whether to include the cameras.
“The gravity of this proceeding – the unprecedented and historic arraignment of a former U.S. President – and, consequently, the need for the broadest possible public access, cannot be overstated,” the outlets said in their letter to the judge this week.
The Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is prosecuting Trump in the case, did not take a side on the issue of whether cameras should be allowed in the courtroom, in a letter to the judge Monday.
The media organizations have also asked for the judge to unseal the indictment of Trump, which has remained private since the move was announced. If Merchan does not grant the request, the indictment is expected to remain sealed until Trump appears in court on Tuesday.
Trump was indicted last week in the case related to hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. The charges are still unknown.
thehill.com
Circus atmosphere around Trump? Well that will be a first.
Will Trump be muzzled? Judge faces critical gag order choice
The judge presiding over former President Donald Trump’s case in New York faces a difficult and politically thorny early decision: whether to impose a gag order on Trump and others in the case.
A gag order could limit what Trump can say about the case just as he is preparing to use it as part of his campaign messaging, reflecting how the political and legal worlds are colliding in an unprecedented way with the indictment of a former president.
Trump in a series of Truth Social posts already has lashed out at District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) and Justice Juan Merchan.
Trump warned of “death and destruction” if he were charged, called Merchan a “Trump Hating Judge” on Sunday and has repeatedly smeared Bragg for weeks.
“WITCH HUNT, as our once great Country is going to HELL!,” Trump posted as he departed for New York for his arraignment.
New York legal experts say those attacks raise the possibility on Tuesday of the judge issuing a gag order, an uncommon but not unprecedented move that would effectively prevent Trump or his attorneys from speaking publicly about the case outside of court filings and proceedings.
“The judge wants to keep the decorum of the courtroom,” said Jeremy Saland, a New York criminal defense lawyer and former Manhattan assistant district attorney.
“The judge wants this tried in the four corners of the courtroom,” he continued. “This is not a public spectacle. This is a very important case in the sense that every eyeball on the nation is on this, every ear of the nation is on this, and beyond. So there’s a lot riding on this.”
The former president announced plans to deliver remarks at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday evening after returning from Manhattan criminal court. But a gag order potentially throws what that speech includes into question.
Trump and his team have already made clear that they plan to use the indictment to rally political support, portraying the former president as a victim of a politically motivated prosecution in fundraising solicitations, social media posts and interviews. Recent polls have shown a majority of Americans believe the indictment was at least somewhat politically motivated, a feeling Trump and his team will try to exploit to shore up support.
Trump’s legal and campaign teams are said to be preparing for the possibility of a gag order, and they have indicated they would push back on it as restrictive of Trump’s First Amendment rights.
“President Trump stands for transparency and our American Constitution, and any attempt to prevent him, the leading candidate for President, from exercising his First Amendment right is a tyrannical, third-world country move which further proves that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt utilizing a weaponized justice system,” a Trump campaign spokesperson said in a statement.
“All Americans should be concerned about their rights being violated and any attempt to obstruct President Trump’s right to use his voice in order to speak truth to power should never be tolerated,” the spokesperson added. “The whole targeted crusade is a complete political farce by the Manhattan DA meant to manipulate and interfere with an election against President Trump and his supporters.”
Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump in his first impeachment trial but is not part of his current legal team, argued Monday on his radio show that the court could look at other mitigating efforts before resorting to a gag order.
When asked about Trump’s recent posts on the Sunday morning talk shows, Trump attorney Joe Tacopina put some daylight between him and his client.
“What he’s been through, quite frankly, I don’t blame him for feeling the way he feels,” Tacopina said on ABC’s “This Week.”
“You’re asking me my opinion,” he continued. “Do I think the judge is biased? Of course not. How could I subscribe to that when I’ve had no interactions with this judge that would lead me to believe he’s biased.”
The gag order would be intended to prevent tainting a jury pool, but also would follow authorities installing barricades and strict security measures around the courthouse and the district attorney’s office. Those efforts began before the indictment as Trump’s rhetoric heated up.
Catherine Christian, who spent more than 20 years in the Manhattan district attorney’s office and now is in private practice, said security has been brought to a new level beyond even past high-profile cases, like Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes trial.
“I never, all the years I was there, felt that except for 9/11, when I was actually downtown at that time,” said Christian. “But it wasn’t because I thought someone was coming after the DA’s office. You’re going to do your job, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to be walking out and you see barricades around the office. Or you see on Tuesday all this police presence, and it’s a little nerve wracking.”
The New York Times last week photographed Susan Hoffinger, who leads the office’s investigation division, and other top prosecutors in the probe surrounded by security guards.
“My goodness,” reacted Christian, who indicated she knew Hoffinger well and had never seen her need security like this.
But Christian noted a gag order still wouldn’t end all of the rhetoric, since it’s not just Trump himself who is attacking Bragg.
“He can’t really be responsible for Lindsey Graham and all these other people,” said Christian.
thehill.com
Lawyers for former President Trump are urging the judge in his Manhattan criminal case to not allow cameras inside the courtroom on Tuesday, when he is expected to appear before the court for arraignment after being indicted by a New York grand jury last week.
Trump’s team is arguing that the cameras would cause a “circus-like atmosphere at the arraignment, raise unique security concerns, and is inconsistent with President Trump’s presumption of innocence,” in a letter to Judge Juan Merchan on Monday, according to CNBC. Merchan is set to decide today whether cameras will be allowed in the courtroom tomorrow.
New York is one of the only jurisdictions in the U.S. that still bars the use of cameras in the courtroom. But a group of media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, have urged Merchan to allow cameras into the room when Trump is arraigned. Merchan has discretion over whether to include the cameras.
“The gravity of this proceeding – the unprecedented and historic arraignment of a former U.S. President – and, consequently, the need for the broadest possible public access, cannot be overstated,” the outlets said in their letter to the judge this week.
The Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is prosecuting Trump in the case, did not take a side on the issue of whether cameras should be allowed in the courtroom, in a letter to the judge Monday.
The media organizations have also asked for the judge to unseal the indictment of Trump, which has remained private since the move was announced. If Merchan does not grant the request, the indictment is expected to remain sealed until Trump appears in court on Tuesday.
Trump was indicted last week in the case related to hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. The charges are still unknown.
Trump’s lawyers argue against cameras in courtroom: Would create ‘circus-like atmosphere’
Lawyers for former President Trump are urging the judge in his Manhattan criminal case to not allow cameras inside the courtroom on Tuesday, when he is expected to appear before the court for arrai…
thehill.com
Circus atmosphere around Trump? Well that will be a first.
Will Trump be muzzled? Judge faces critical gag order choice
The judge presiding over former President Donald Trump’s case in New York faces a difficult and politically thorny early decision: whether to impose a gag order on Trump and others in the case.
A gag order could limit what Trump can say about the case just as he is preparing to use it as part of his campaign messaging, reflecting how the political and legal worlds are colliding in an unprecedented way with the indictment of a former president.
Trump in a series of Truth Social posts already has lashed out at District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) and Justice Juan Merchan.
Trump warned of “death and destruction” if he were charged, called Merchan a “Trump Hating Judge” on Sunday and has repeatedly smeared Bragg for weeks.
“WITCH HUNT, as our once great Country is going to HELL!,” Trump posted as he departed for New York for his arraignment.
New York legal experts say those attacks raise the possibility on Tuesday of the judge issuing a gag order, an uncommon but not unprecedented move that would effectively prevent Trump or his attorneys from speaking publicly about the case outside of court filings and proceedings.
“The judge wants to keep the decorum of the courtroom,” said Jeremy Saland, a New York criminal defense lawyer and former Manhattan assistant district attorney.
“The judge wants this tried in the four corners of the courtroom,” he continued. “This is not a public spectacle. This is a very important case in the sense that every eyeball on the nation is on this, every ear of the nation is on this, and beyond. So there’s a lot riding on this.”
The former president announced plans to deliver remarks at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday evening after returning from Manhattan criminal court. But a gag order potentially throws what that speech includes into question.
Trump and his team have already made clear that they plan to use the indictment to rally political support, portraying the former president as a victim of a politically motivated prosecution in fundraising solicitations, social media posts and interviews. Recent polls have shown a majority of Americans believe the indictment was at least somewhat politically motivated, a feeling Trump and his team will try to exploit to shore up support.
Trump’s legal and campaign teams are said to be preparing for the possibility of a gag order, and they have indicated they would push back on it as restrictive of Trump’s First Amendment rights.
“President Trump stands for transparency and our American Constitution, and any attempt to prevent him, the leading candidate for President, from exercising his First Amendment right is a tyrannical, third-world country move which further proves that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt utilizing a weaponized justice system,” a Trump campaign spokesperson said in a statement.
“All Americans should be concerned about their rights being violated and any attempt to obstruct President Trump’s right to use his voice in order to speak truth to power should never be tolerated,” the spokesperson added. “The whole targeted crusade is a complete political farce by the Manhattan DA meant to manipulate and interfere with an election against President Trump and his supporters.”
Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump in his first impeachment trial but is not part of his current legal team, argued Monday on his radio show that the court could look at other mitigating efforts before resorting to a gag order.
When asked about Trump’s recent posts on the Sunday morning talk shows, Trump attorney Joe Tacopina put some daylight between him and his client.
“What he’s been through, quite frankly, I don’t blame him for feeling the way he feels,” Tacopina said on ABC’s “This Week.”
“You’re asking me my opinion,” he continued. “Do I think the judge is biased? Of course not. How could I subscribe to that when I’ve had no interactions with this judge that would lead me to believe he’s biased.”
The gag order would be intended to prevent tainting a jury pool, but also would follow authorities installing barricades and strict security measures around the courthouse and the district attorney’s office. Those efforts began before the indictment as Trump’s rhetoric heated up.
Catherine Christian, who spent more than 20 years in the Manhattan district attorney’s office and now is in private practice, said security has been brought to a new level beyond even past high-profile cases, like Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes trial.
“I never, all the years I was there, felt that except for 9/11, when I was actually downtown at that time,” said Christian. “But it wasn’t because I thought someone was coming after the DA’s office. You’re going to do your job, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to be walking out and you see barricades around the office. Or you see on Tuesday all this police presence, and it’s a little nerve wracking.”
The New York Times last week photographed Susan Hoffinger, who leads the office’s investigation division, and other top prosecutors in the probe surrounded by security guards.
“My goodness,” reacted Christian, who indicated she knew Hoffinger well and had never seen her need security like this.
But Christian noted a gag order still wouldn’t end all of the rhetoric, since it’s not just Trump himself who is attacking Bragg.
“He can’t really be responsible for Lindsey Graham and all these other people,” said Christian.
Will Trump be muzzled? Judge faces critical gag order choice
The judge presiding over former President Trump’s case in New York faces a difficult and politically thorny early decision: whether to impose a gag order on Trump and others in the case. A ga…
thehill.com
Fogdog
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for what, pray tell?Sunni's bout to lock this joint up
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
There was a time when Republicans thought following the rule of law and the constitution was a good thing to do.
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Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
the only magats he had with any guts are already doing time for jan. 6th...all he has left is pathetic fat old losers and waterheaded militia failures....PLEASE, BRING IT...it would be a lovely opportunity to skim some of the scum off of the gene pool.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
The ringmaster of the republican freak show is worried about a circus like atmosphere? Really? You'd think it would make it feel like home...
shimbob
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What precedent, that the president is above the law? Glad we hammered that.
I wanted you to know they are still acting upon this because it's your neck of the woods. We can never be lulled into false sense of security- their dream hardly dying with or without Trump. Though he would've been a conduit to it actually happening. You always start at local/state level and that's exactly what they're doing.
Two weeks ago when he said he was being arrested on that Tuesday..only one person showed at NY courthouse documented.
Will he even be let go? Nobody seems to understand the judge does not have to let him have bail. The charges might be so numerous, he becomes a flight risk or worse.Trump’s lawyers argue against cameras in courtroom: ‘Would cause circus-like atmosphere’
Lawyers for former President Trump are urging the judge in his Manhattan criminal case to not allow cameras inside the courtroom on Tuesday, when he is expected to appear before the court for arraignment after being indicted by a New York grand jury last week.
Trump’s team is arguing that the cameras would cause a “circus-like atmosphere at the arraignment, raise unique security concerns, and is inconsistent with President Trump’s presumption of innocence,” in a letter to Judge Juan Merchan on Monday, according to CNBC. Merchan is set to decide today whether cameras will be allowed in the courtroom tomorrow.
New York is one of the only jurisdictions in the U.S. that still bars the use of cameras in the courtroom. But a group of media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, have urged Merchan to allow cameras into the room when Trump is arraigned. Merchan has discretion over whether to include the cameras.
“The gravity of this proceeding – the unprecedented and historic arraignment of a former U.S. President – and, consequently, the need for the broadest possible public access, cannot be overstated,” the outlets said in their letter to the judge this week.
The Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is prosecuting Trump in the case, did not take a side on the issue of whether cameras should be allowed in the courtroom, in a letter to the judge Monday.
The media organizations have also asked for the judge to unseal the indictment of Trump, which has remained private since the move was announced. If Merchan does not grant the request, the indictment is expected to remain sealed until Trump appears in court on Tuesday.
Trump was indicted last week in the case related to hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. The charges are still unknown.
Trump’s lawyers argue against cameras in courtroom: Would create ‘circus-like atmosphere’
Lawyers for former President Trump are urging the judge in his Manhattan criminal case to not allow cameras inside the courtroom on Tuesday, when he is expected to appear before the court for arrai…
Circus atmosphere around Trump? Well that will be a first.
Will Trump be muzzled? Judge faces critical gag order choice
The judge presiding over former President Donald Trump’s case in New York faces a difficult and politically thorny early decision: whether to impose a gag order on Trump and others in the case.
A gag order could limit what Trump can say about the case just as he is preparing to use it as part of his campaign messaging, reflecting how the political and legal worlds are colliding in an unprecedented way with the indictment of a former president.
Trump in a series of Truth Social posts already has lashed out at District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) and Justice Juan Merchan.
Trump warned of “death and destruction” if he were charged, called Merchan a “Trump Hating Judge” on Sunday and has repeatedly smeared Bragg for weeks.
“WITCH HUNT, as our once great Country is going to HELL!,” Trump posted as he departed for New York for his arraignment.
New York legal experts say those attacks raise the possibility on Tuesday of the judge issuing a gag order, an uncommon but not unprecedented move that would effectively prevent Trump or his attorneys from speaking publicly about the case outside of court filings and proceedings.
“The judge wants to keep the decorum of the courtroom,” said Jeremy Saland, a New York criminal defense lawyer and former Manhattan assistant district attorney.
“The judge wants this tried in the four corners of the courtroom,” he continued. “This is not a public spectacle. This is a very important case in the sense that every eyeball on the nation is on this, every ear of the nation is on this, and beyond. So there’s a lot riding on this.”
The former president announced plans to deliver remarks at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday evening after returning from Manhattan criminal court. But a gag order potentially throws what that speech includes into question.
Trump and his team have already made clear that they plan to use the indictment to rally political support, portraying the former president as a victim of a politically motivated prosecution in fundraising solicitations, social media posts and interviews. Recent polls have shown a majority of Americans believe the indictment was at least somewhat politically motivated, a feeling Trump and his team will try to exploit to shore up support.
Trump’s legal and campaign teams are said to be preparing for the possibility of a gag order, and they have indicated they would push back on it as restrictive of Trump’s First Amendment rights.
“President Trump stands for transparency and our American Constitution, and any attempt to prevent him, the leading candidate for President, from exercising his First Amendment right is a tyrannical, third-world country move which further proves that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt utilizing a weaponized justice system,” a Trump campaign spokesperson said in a statement.
“All Americans should be concerned about their rights being violated and any attempt to obstruct President Trump’s right to use his voice in order to speak truth to power should never be tolerated,” the spokesperson added. “The whole targeted crusade is a complete political farce by the Manhattan DA meant to manipulate and interfere with an election against President Trump and his supporters.”
Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump in his first impeachment trial but is not part of his current legal team, argued Monday on his radio show that the court could look at other mitigating efforts before resorting to a gag order.
When asked about Trump’s recent posts on the Sunday morning talk shows, Trump attorney Joe Tacopina put some daylight between him and his client.
“What he’s been through, quite frankly, I don’t blame him for feeling the way he feels,” Tacopina said on ABC’s “This Week.”
“You’re asking me my opinion,” he continued. “Do I think the judge is biased? Of course not. How could I subscribe to that when I’ve had no interactions with this judge that would lead me to believe he’s biased.”
The gag order would be intended to prevent tainting a jury pool, but also would follow authorities installing barricades and strict security measures around the courthouse and the district attorney’s office. Those efforts began before the indictment as Trump’s rhetoric heated up.
Catherine Christian, who spent more than 20 years in the Manhattan district attorney’s office and now is in private practice, said security has been brought to a new level beyond even past high-profile cases, like Harvey Weinstein’s sex crimes trial.
“I never, all the years I was there, felt that except for 9/11, when I was actually downtown at that time,” said Christian. “But it wasn’t because I thought someone was coming after the DA’s office. You’re going to do your job, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to be walking out and you see barricades around the office. Or you see on Tuesday all this police presence, and it’s a little nerve wracking.”
The New York Times last week photographed Susan Hoffinger, who leads the office’s investigation division, and other top prosecutors in the probe surrounded by security guards.
“My goodness,” reacted Christian, who indicated she knew Hoffinger well and had never seen her need security like this.
But Christian noted a gag order still wouldn’t end all of the rhetoric, since it’s not just Trump himself who is attacking Bragg.
“He can’t really be responsible for Lindsey Graham and all these other people,” said Christian.
Will Trump be muzzled? Judge faces critical gag order choice
The judge presiding over former President Trump’s case in New York faces a difficult and politically thorny early decision: whether to impose a gag order on Trump and others in the case. A ga…
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
no actually. They get a vote each.
printer
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Please supply a credible link.
Fogdog
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I didn't say that. I just said I don't understand why Oregon should just write off the investment we made in the area.
That said, they want to talk about it. Talk is good.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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this IS a democratic country, despite the efforts of some to make it a fascist dictatorship....
The will of the majority should be done...they aren't any kind of majority...so yes, basically fuck them, if they don't like it, they can move to a place where they feel they'll get better representation.
for fucking what? Same shit as my right wingnut buddy says.
First it was "Obama's goin' to prison" then it's "Hillary's goin' to prison", then "Biden's goin' to prison".
For WHAT! And where's he get all this line of bs, i'll ask him. "Oh it's all over the news. All the MSM has it."
Where? I never hear of any of it. Or, he's w/that same right wing nut job shit about how "CNN's goin' broke",
or "MSN is shutting down". For hell, 15 years w/that bullshit. No charges on the politicians. No sign of MSNBC
or CNN shutting down. Just some wishful thinking bullshit that the right wing, nut job conspiracy theorists love
to spew. Same old tired bullshit lies, that they all love to hear because they so want to believe it all. It's disgusting.