TRUMP INDICTED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Coup bombshell: See prosecutor Jack Smith's new plan for Trump trial, path to prison
The DOJ will use the Jan. 6 insurrection as trial evidence against Donald Trump, according to a new court filing. MSNBC’s Ari Melber breaks down Jack Smith’s trial plan and is joined by Former Senior Prosecutor in the Mueller Probe Andrew Weissman.
BudmanTX
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what do a plumber, a maid, a chauffeur and a woodworker walk into a classified bathroom… give ya a hint:
OldMedUser
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You look at the people behind tRump and they all look like they got there on the 'short bus'.
The uneducated he loves so much.
BudmanTX
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ol orange mushroom head......i think the FEC needs a chat with you:
DIY-HP-LED
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CORNERED Trump makes STUNNING ADMISSION on LIVE TV
Trump has admitted in a Miami TV interview that if re-elected he will weaponize the FBI and DOJ to prosecute Biden and even the FBI and DOJ lawyers themselves as part of his enemy of the people list. Michael Popok of Legal AF explains what could happen if Donald Trump replaces all of the lawyers in the department of justice, FBI, White House, and an all of the departments of the federal government, as he retaliate against his enemies, and tries to put them in jail.
printer
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Trump backs push to allow cameras in courtroom for federal election subversion trial
Attorneys for former President Trump backed an effort from media organizations to allow cameras for his federal election fraud trial next year, in a filing Friday.
They argued that allowing cameras in the courtroom would show how “unfairly” Trump is being treated by the justice system to the American public.
“President Trump calls for sunlight,” the attorneys wrote. “Every person in America, and beyond, should have the opportunity to study this case firsthand and watch as, if there is a trial, President Trump exonerates himself of these baseless and politically motivated charges.”
Trump has vehemently denied and denounced the criminal charges, which allege that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election. The case is set to go to trial in March.
Trump joins a coalition of media outlets who requested that judge presiding over the case allow cameras in the courtroom in early October.
Special counsel Jack Smith opposed the effort to broadcast the trial last week, arguing that federal and local rules prohibit televising trials of this nature.
The Washington-based election fraud trial is the most prominent of five trials in the upcoming months for Trump, four of which are criminal cases.
A New York criminal case over falsified documents will go to trial in late March, and a Florida-based federal case alleging mishandling of classified documents is scheduled for trial in May.
A Georgia election fraud trial date has not yet been set, but will begin in January at the earliest, while a separate New York civil trial over business fraud charges is currently ongoing.
In the Washington election fraud case, Trump has pushed back on a court-imposed partial gag order, which limits what he can publicly say about the case and witnesses.
His attorneys objected to the order in a filing on Wednesday.
“President Trump has made many public statements about this case in the three months since his indictment, and yet the Department of Justice … submitted no evidence of any ‘threats’ or ‘harassment’ to prosecutors, witnesses, or court staff during that time,” the attorneys wrote.
thehill.com
Attorneys for former President Trump backed an effort from media organizations to allow cameras for his federal election fraud trial next year, in a filing Friday.
They argued that allowing cameras in the courtroom would show how “unfairly” Trump is being treated by the justice system to the American public.
“President Trump calls for sunlight,” the attorneys wrote. “Every person in America, and beyond, should have the opportunity to study this case firsthand and watch as, if there is a trial, President Trump exonerates himself of these baseless and politically motivated charges.”
Trump has vehemently denied and denounced the criminal charges, which allege that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election. The case is set to go to trial in March.
Trump joins a coalition of media outlets who requested that judge presiding over the case allow cameras in the courtroom in early October.
Special counsel Jack Smith opposed the effort to broadcast the trial last week, arguing that federal and local rules prohibit televising trials of this nature.
The Washington-based election fraud trial is the most prominent of five trials in the upcoming months for Trump, four of which are criminal cases.
A New York criminal case over falsified documents will go to trial in late March, and a Florida-based federal case alleging mishandling of classified documents is scheduled for trial in May.
A Georgia election fraud trial date has not yet been set, but will begin in January at the earliest, while a separate New York civil trial over business fraud charges is currently ongoing.
In the Washington election fraud case, Trump has pushed back on a court-imposed partial gag order, which limits what he can publicly say about the case and witnesses.
His attorneys objected to the order in a filing on Wednesday.
“President Trump has made many public statements about this case in the three months since his indictment, and yet the Department of Justice … submitted no evidence of any ‘threats’ or ‘harassment’ to prosecutors, witnesses, or court staff during that time,” the attorneys wrote.
Trump backs push to allow cameras in courtroom for federal election subversion trial
Attorneys for former President Trump backed an effort from media organizations to allow cameras for his federal election fraud trial next year, in a filing Friday. They argued that allowing cameras…
thehill.com
H G Griffin
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Of course he does. He'll be gagged outside the courtroom, so the only way he can continue to try to rally the reich is if he can do it in the courtroom. Also, this way all the fascist supporting media would have out of context soundbites to use to further undermine justice.
topcat
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It's times like this I wish I had TV, so I could record it. Hey, maybe it will be on CSPAN.Trump backs push to allow cameras in courtroom for federal election subversion trial
Attorneys for former President Trump backed an effort from media organizations to allow cameras for his federal election fraud trial next year, in a filing Friday.
They argued that allowing cameras in the courtroom would show how “unfairly” Trump is being treated by the justice system to the American public.
“President Trump calls for sunlight,” the attorneys wrote. “Every person in America, and beyond, should have the opportunity to study this case firsthand and watch as, if there is a trial, President Trump exonerates himself of these baseless and politically motivated charges.”
Trump has vehemently denied and denounced the criminal charges, which allege that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election. The case is set to go to trial in March.
Trump joins a coalition of media outlets who requested that judge presiding over the case allow cameras in the courtroom in early October.
Special counsel Jack Smith opposed the effort to broadcast the trial last week, arguing that federal and local rules prohibit televising trials of this nature.
The Washington-based election fraud trial is the most prominent of five trials in the upcoming months for Trump, four of which are criminal cases.
A New York criminal case over falsified documents will go to trial in late March, and a Florida-based federal case alleging mishandling of classified documents is scheduled for trial in May.
A Georgia election fraud trial date has not yet been set, but will begin in January at the earliest, while a separate New York civil trial over business fraud charges is currently ongoing.
In the Washington election fraud case, Trump has pushed back on a court-imposed partial gag order, which limits what he can publicly say about the case and witnesses.
His attorneys objected to the order in a filing on Wednesday.
“President Trump has made many public statements about this case in the three months since his indictment, and yet the Department of Justice … submitted no evidence of any ‘threats’ or ‘harassment’ to prosecutors, witnesses, or court staff during that time,” the attorneys wrote.
Trump backs push to allow cameras in courtroom for federal election subversion trial
Attorneys for former President Trump backed an effort from media organizations to allow cameras for his federal election fraud trial next year, in a filing Friday. They argued that allowing cameras…
OldMedUser
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DIY-HP-LED
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He will have his TV trial in Georgia, after he is a federal convict and might appear on TV dressed in orange, the only one among the half dozen left who will end up being tried. He won't be so impressive if he is under the thumb of a judge and kept in a cage between appearances, since he will be a convicted criminal perhaps already given a long federal prison sentence by the time, he is tried in Georgia.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Cannon's side show, Donald will be convicted twice over and imprisoned by the time she tries him.
Phytoplankton
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To me this is one of the strongest cases against tRUMP. I worked many years investigating mishandling of classified and if what I have read is true, it’s a slam dunk case.
Fogdog
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^^and the judge in charge is a rookie with a strong bias toward Trump. She seems willing to follow Trump's Lawyer's demands to push the trial date past the election date. Go figure.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'd say more candidates for a deal, but their deal will involve time, first in the door gets the best deal and all those slots have been filled by bigger fish.
topcat
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It is a slam dunk. I think that's why Jack Smith holds his cards close to the vest. He's so much smarter than this rookie. She seems to be being tutored, or she's educating herself on the go.
DIY-HP-LED
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What defense? Are they gonna try and bullshit this judge? Any defense would just dig the hole deeper and play into the upcoming NY criminal indictment over this.
Let's talk about Trump's NY case entering the next phase....
Let's talk about Trump's NY case entering the next phase....
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump's dangerous rhetoric moves him from gag-order territory to pretrial-detention territory
Donald Trump continues to engage in dangerous, inflammatory, and threatening rhetoric. Most recently, he has taken to railing against Special Counsel Jack Smith's family members.
Trump's inflammatory rhetoric has resulted in violence in the past. The institutions of government need to recognize that Trump's conduct has moved him beyond gag-order territory and has put in squarely in heartland pretrial-detention territory.
Indeed, the law provides that if there is clear and convincing evidence that a defendant who is on release in a felony case - and Trump is on pretrial release in FOUR feolny cases - poses a danger to the community, he should be detained pending trial. There is overwhelming evidence that Trump is clearly and convincingly a danger to the community, to American society, indeed, to our very democracy. Accordingly, Donald Trump should be revoked on pretrial release and detained pending trial. Because justice matters.
printer
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Wonder how much rambling on the judge will sit for?
Trump’s legal team readies defense in NY fraud trial
Former President Trump’s legal team will mount its defense Monday in the sprawling civil fraud case targeting his business empire.
His legal team will be able to set the narrative of his business dealings and attempt to prove to a New York judge he should not have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in financial penalties to the state for defrauding it.
Trump’s team faces an uphill battle, given that Judge Arthur Engoron found the Trump Organization and its executives — including the former president and his adult sons — liable for fraud before the trial began.
The decision, which found that New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) proved the crux of her case before presenting it at trial, stripped Trump’s business licenses and put some of his iconic properties at risk. A New York appeals court paused the cancellation of the business licenses until after it hears Trump’s case.
James’s office rested its case in chief Wednesday — a case defined by high-profile witnesses, dramatic outbursts and a winding paper trail leading to the conclusion that Trump and his business sought lower taxes and better insurance coverage by falsely inflating and deflating the value of their assets.
In cross-examinations and courtroom arguments, Trump’s team tipped its hand at what might be coming in the former president’s presentation.
At the heart of the New York attorney general’s case are Trump’s statements of financial condition, documents that detail the value of the Trump Organization’s various assets. The financial statements were sent to banks and insurers to secure loans and deals, which the attorney general says is evidence of fraud.
The former president and his counsel have argued a disclaimer clause in the documents — put there by Trump’s then-accounting firm Mazars USA — absolves the business of any wrongdoing.
The clause, which Trump also described as a “worthless statement clause,” reads: “Users of this financial statement should recognize that they might reach different conclusions about the financial condition of Donald J. Trump if they had access to a revised statement of financial condition without the above referenced exceptions to accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.”
Trump testified Monday that the passage holds up “in any court, except maybe in this court,” and “goes on forever.”
“Therefore, you have no case,” Trump told a state lawyer on the witness stand.
The former president brought a printed copy of the clause to his testimony Monday, which he attempted to pull from his pocket to read on the witness stand before Engoron objected to the stunt. He later posted on Truth Social that the judge refused to allow him to read it “because he doesn’t want anybody to know” about the clause.
In his ruling ahead of the trial, Engoron rejected the defense’s argument about the disclaimer clause by noting another part of the passage that reads, “Donald J. Trump is responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statement.”
“The Mazars disclaimers put the onus for accuracy squarely on defendants’ shoulders,” Engoron wrote in the order.
For Trump, there is no escaping the financial statements that bear his name. But his three elder children, each of whom testified as witnesses in the state’s case, sought to distance themselves from the key documents — an effort that will likely continue through the defense’s case.
Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump each denied any involvement in their father’s financial statements, suggesting instead they relied on accountants and other experts to make sure the numbers were correct.
Trump’s legal team has sought to shift the blame for the statements’ skewed numbers from Trump and his family onto the accountants who calculated them. Ex-Trump accountant Donald Bender testified under cross-examination for nearly a full week at the start of the trial, when Trump’s lawyers sought to portray him as negligent.
At one point, Engoron jumped in and said the accountant is “not on trial here.”
“I would disagree with that,” said Chris Kise, Trump’s attorney. “His thoroughness, that he got paid millions a year to do — he was a [certified public accountant]. He has certain responsibilities.”
Engoron did not take well to the argument, accusing Trump’s team of “wasting time.”
Another argument Trump’s legal team has strongly pushed is that there was “no victim” of the business’s real estate dealings. On the witness stand, Trump reprised the familiar claim that the New York attorney general had no right to bring the case against his business because the banks did not sue him over misrepresentations.
“We’re trying to figure out, why are you doing this?” Trump testified Monday, referring to the lawsuit. “No one understands it. Well, I understand it — it’s called pol-i-tics.”
Trump and his lawyers claim the banks that worked on various real estate deals with the Trump Organization were required to do their “own due diligence” and not just rely on the representations in the financial statements provided by the business.
“Banks check the work,” Trump said on the witness stand.
An expert witness hired by the New York attorney general’s office testified earlier this month that the Trump Organization’s ballooned financial statements may have cost banks more than $168 million in interest.
However, the state’s case notably lacked witness testimony from any bank representatives who worked with the Trumps — or any evidence purporting the banks consider themselves defrauded.
A handful of Capital One and Deutsche Bank representatives could testify in the state’s rebuttal case “if necessary,” according to court filings. Among those named, the most significant is Rosemary Vrablic, who was Trump’s longtime banker in Deutsche Bank’s wealth management division.
Engoron will likely have a short fuse regarding this claim, having already chided Trump’s legal team for invoking “the time-loop in the film ‘Groundhog Day’” with its repeated arguments. The New York judge already ruled that the attorney general’s office had the power to bring the lawsuit regardless.
Donald Trump Jr. is expected to take the stand Monday as the defense’s first witness, likely setting the tone for the weeks of defense presentations to come. The trial is expected to last through mid-December.
thehill.com
Trump’s legal team readies defense in NY fraud trial
Former President Trump’s legal team will mount its defense Monday in the sprawling civil fraud case targeting his business empire.
His legal team will be able to set the narrative of his business dealings and attempt to prove to a New York judge he should not have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in financial penalties to the state for defrauding it.
Trump’s team faces an uphill battle, given that Judge Arthur Engoron found the Trump Organization and its executives — including the former president and his adult sons — liable for fraud before the trial began.
The decision, which found that New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) proved the crux of her case before presenting it at trial, stripped Trump’s business licenses and put some of his iconic properties at risk. A New York appeals court paused the cancellation of the business licenses until after it hears Trump’s case.
James’s office rested its case in chief Wednesday — a case defined by high-profile witnesses, dramatic outbursts and a winding paper trail leading to the conclusion that Trump and his business sought lower taxes and better insurance coverage by falsely inflating and deflating the value of their assets.
In cross-examinations and courtroom arguments, Trump’s team tipped its hand at what might be coming in the former president’s presentation.
At the heart of the New York attorney general’s case are Trump’s statements of financial condition, documents that detail the value of the Trump Organization’s various assets. The financial statements were sent to banks and insurers to secure loans and deals, which the attorney general says is evidence of fraud.
The former president and his counsel have argued a disclaimer clause in the documents — put there by Trump’s then-accounting firm Mazars USA — absolves the business of any wrongdoing.
The clause, which Trump also described as a “worthless statement clause,” reads: “Users of this financial statement should recognize that they might reach different conclusions about the financial condition of Donald J. Trump if they had access to a revised statement of financial condition without the above referenced exceptions to accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.”
Trump testified Monday that the passage holds up “in any court, except maybe in this court,” and “goes on forever.”
“Therefore, you have no case,” Trump told a state lawyer on the witness stand.
The former president brought a printed copy of the clause to his testimony Monday, which he attempted to pull from his pocket to read on the witness stand before Engoron objected to the stunt. He later posted on Truth Social that the judge refused to allow him to read it “because he doesn’t want anybody to know” about the clause.
In his ruling ahead of the trial, Engoron rejected the defense’s argument about the disclaimer clause by noting another part of the passage that reads, “Donald J. Trump is responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statement.”
“The Mazars disclaimers put the onus for accuracy squarely on defendants’ shoulders,” Engoron wrote in the order.
For Trump, there is no escaping the financial statements that bear his name. But his three elder children, each of whom testified as witnesses in the state’s case, sought to distance themselves from the key documents — an effort that will likely continue through the defense’s case.
Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump each denied any involvement in their father’s financial statements, suggesting instead they relied on accountants and other experts to make sure the numbers were correct.
Trump’s legal team has sought to shift the blame for the statements’ skewed numbers from Trump and his family onto the accountants who calculated them. Ex-Trump accountant Donald Bender testified under cross-examination for nearly a full week at the start of the trial, when Trump’s lawyers sought to portray him as negligent.
At one point, Engoron jumped in and said the accountant is “not on trial here.”
“I would disagree with that,” said Chris Kise, Trump’s attorney. “His thoroughness, that he got paid millions a year to do — he was a [certified public accountant]. He has certain responsibilities.”
Engoron did not take well to the argument, accusing Trump’s team of “wasting time.”
Another argument Trump’s legal team has strongly pushed is that there was “no victim” of the business’s real estate dealings. On the witness stand, Trump reprised the familiar claim that the New York attorney general had no right to bring the case against his business because the banks did not sue him over misrepresentations.
“We’re trying to figure out, why are you doing this?” Trump testified Monday, referring to the lawsuit. “No one understands it. Well, I understand it — it’s called pol-i-tics.”
Trump and his lawyers claim the banks that worked on various real estate deals with the Trump Organization were required to do their “own due diligence” and not just rely on the representations in the financial statements provided by the business.
“Banks check the work,” Trump said on the witness stand.
An expert witness hired by the New York attorney general’s office testified earlier this month that the Trump Organization’s ballooned financial statements may have cost banks more than $168 million in interest.
However, the state’s case notably lacked witness testimony from any bank representatives who worked with the Trumps — or any evidence purporting the banks consider themselves defrauded.
A handful of Capital One and Deutsche Bank representatives could testify in the state’s rebuttal case “if necessary,” according to court filings. Among those named, the most significant is Rosemary Vrablic, who was Trump’s longtime banker in Deutsche Bank’s wealth management division.
Engoron will likely have a short fuse regarding this claim, having already chided Trump’s legal team for invoking “the time-loop in the film ‘Groundhog Day’” with its repeated arguments. The New York judge already ruled that the attorney general’s office had the power to bring the lawsuit regardless.
Donald Trump Jr. is expected to take the stand Monday as the defense’s first witness, likely setting the tone for the weeks of defense presentations to come. The trial is expected to last through mid-December.
Trump’s legal team readies defense in NY fraud trial
Former President Trump’s legal team will mount its defense Monday in the sprawling civil fraud case targeting his business empire. His legal team will be able to set the narrati…
thehill.com