I actually set up single 5 g buckets with 2 nozzles in each top and veg them out for 4-6 weeks in them misting 5 on 1-2 off for starters and tweek it after a week or 2 and 150ppm from seedling and have had good results
True HP Aero For 2011
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Mike Young
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All I'm saying is you should try the bubbles before you invest in another timer, pump, accumulator, solenoids, pressure switch, pressure gauge, etc... And if you're hoping to veg for any amount of time, yes you'll want to use some nutes.
syder
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the bigger the better! add that to the shoping list
Trichy Bastard
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Very true Mike... I guess in my personal pursuit of perfection, the only downside I have with a bubble cloner is the fact that the roots still won't be true aero, and will suffer a transition period. They do have nute injectors, that could inject the concentrated formula into the tapwater, but that's probably getting back to expensive and more complex again. I'm thinking more and more that the fog collar might be a viable option. The stem can still provide the bulk of the plant's needs that fog might not be able to, but the fog will get those fine HP roots started. The hurdle will be to see if I can get them to be ready in less than 3 weeks, although the idea that they'll be still growing good because attached by a stem, leads me to believe if I just start a week sooner, I'll have the best of all worlds. What do you think?
PetFlora
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TB: Transitioned from my DIY bubbler to HPA (sans accum) ~ 10 days ago.
Do these roots look like they are suffering? Yes, there was a small adjustment period, BUT, that could be due to a totally different light system and time. Bubbler is 24/0, HPA is 12/12. There are a lot more tiny laterals (pre cotton candy) than the photo shows. Will try to crop and enlarge.
Do these roots look like they are suffering? Yes, there was a small adjustment period, BUT, that could be due to a totally different light system and time. Bubbler is 24/0, HPA is 12/12. There are a lot more tiny laterals (pre cotton candy) than the photo shows. Will try to crop and enlarge.
i do man...
why are you still choking the roots with those white pvc parts? You'll never get pom pom sized root balls with that on there. You have a net pot inside them,.. i don't get why you need them. Why not just drop the pot in the lid like everyone else, and let the roots get out laterally. You can slide it off now, it'll be too late when the roots get bigger. Plus your tub isn't light proof, so honestly the roots probably liked going to 12/12, since that's 12 hours more real darkness then you were giving them before.
So you're talking about air layering, and then fogging roots (in what ill assume to be a working fogger cloner), and you think you'll get done in 3 weeks? I quoted that video you said you were looking for, it says 3 weeks to even get roots in the bag of soil when air layering. It's not going to happen that fast, and it's already proven there are much faster options. Cut a clone normally and try to fog it i say, if that isn't faster itself adding other slower ways,.. ugh,.. i don't know, i don't get why. Air layering is a neat thing to do, I'm going to try on a house plant, only.
So 'true' bubbleponics to you would look like what then? id love a pic..and what's the collar for? Should the roots not touch the nutes and just air stones popping bubbles do the wetting of the hanging roots, lowering the water as they grow down perhaps? This interests me personally, seems like it would produce some the effect i got in a small tote i made once, that had a constant sprinkler head going in it. I got great starter roots that time while they hung in the constant rain.
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As is i think i'm introducing my ladies too soon to the 5gal buckets, takes them longer then id like to get roots through the 6" net pots and to the mist, i'm looking for a better option of vegging my young ladies also.
Mike Young
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The roots I'm seeing now in my bubbler are actually pretty decent. Hairs even. I wonder how you would get hairy roots without building a rather large fog collar? Or are you thinking of getting them after you cut your clone from the main stem?
Diyer: The collar I menioned is just a neoprene disk for holding the cutting. I think I'm going to cut the tap roots every so often to keep them from soaking. I want them to get all their nutrients from the bubbles.
Here's my bubble roots...
collar,.. got it,.. Yea i need something like that to start mine off better, those roots look real good, like what i got last time i used those collars and stopped jamming my roots in rocks,.. dumb.
So do your roots hang in nute solution at all? How do they get watered in your bubbler?
Trichy Bastard
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Well, not exactly, I was proposing to do the air layering, but instead of using the traditional method, I was going to try to accomplish it by having a collar around the stem with fog pumping through it, rather than being clamped with rockwool and saran-wrap.
Trichy Bastard
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A 6" netpot seems huge for a 5 gallon bucket in my opinion. Why not use a 2" or 3" netpot- all it's doing is supporting the roots, right? Why make them have to navigate through all that material just to finally find the mist?
konagirl420
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Aww Tb I miss ya man...some of these stupid boys think they are players when in fact they just got played 
Trichy Bastard
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Interesting looking roots, remind me of a spider's hairy legs hehe... They don't look so bad do they... Well I guess the collar only has to be about 2 inches laterally around the stalk, and then just wide enough to be practical. The logistics of making them lightweight enough with the input and exhaust fog tubes will be something to ponder. Basically it will do the same job as the rockwool or soil in air layering, but the media will be strictly fog, hoping that it forces some aeroponic type roots that easily adjust to the HPA chamber. Curious to see how quickly those bubble roots adjust, seems they might be quicker than other methods.
Trichy Bastard
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Miss u 2 Kona... Hmm so your the heartbreaker 'round these parts eh? lolAww Tb I miss ya man...some of these stupid boys think they are players when in fact they just got played
konagirl420
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hahahaha and they tried so hard to convince everyone I was crazy too
i hear ya,.. its one problem with the way i chose to go, but then again i grow um 4-5' tall, so they need a little more then a 3" net pot to hold onto without falling over, and needing to be tied and supported, which is always something i try to avoid having to do,.. even though i still do a little, its just a pain.
So hows a bubbler work? Is it just small dwc, or do the stems/roots not hit the water?
Ooooh i gotcha now. Still its going to need to grow scar tissue first, and thus why it takes 3 weeks. I just did it to a house plant today
