Trichomes & Harvesting

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
How does this look? it's week 8 of bloom, Cherry Pie with one week of nutes ahead and one week of water till harvest.

Must have some fert issues, the largest fan leaves are turning red, small fans are still looking just fine.

The top leaves are curling inwards (Canoeing?) but the temp inside the 4X4 area is upper 70's to a high of 82.

Cree Cob panels, three of them at 200W each 2700K, 3000K and 3500K.

Thoughts?

Thanks
The trichomes look fine in that picture, they look cloudy.
If you see this across most of the calyces you can safely harvest, assuming you have checked for all the other signs & criteria of peak harvest.

With regards to the leaves, that could be loads of different issues. If you are close to harvest and your calyces look fine I wouldn't worry about it much though.

The one thing I would advise against though is cutting off nutrients in the last week. I have written a lot about pre-harvest flushing, and it always saddens me to see people cut off their plants food in the most critical part of flowering.
 

Budtasticmike

New Member
thanks this help me
Three other signs or stages in trichone growth are 1 bulbous. Where the thrich is visible but small. Almost flat. And clear yes. The second # 2 is bulbous half stock. Now the trich is not flat but rising up. Filling up with THC! The third and final #3 stage! Bulbous FULL StOCK? Now the trich has reached its full potential! The stock is longer. Not flat. Not half . but full! Of THC. The color will be clear. Them milky. When individual trich reaches 20-25% amber. Its DONE! I think any amber is simply degenerating THC. Or cbd. CBN? I love THC! Any feedback on this I would appreciate
 

Budtasticmike

New Member
Three other signs or stages in trichone growth are 1 bulbous. Where the thrich is visible but small. Almost flat. And clear yes. The second # 2 is bulbous half stock. Now the trich is not flat but rising up. Filling up with THC! The third and final #3 stage! Bulbous FULL StOCK? Now the trich has reached its full potential! The stock is longer. Not flat. Not half . but full! Of THC. The color will be clear. Them milky. When individual trich reaches 20-25% amber. Its DONE! I think any amber is simply degenerating THC. Or cbd. CBN? I love THC! Any feedback on this I would appreciate
I am at week ten of flower on my second go round of bubba kush. Trichs are All fullstock. And milky! Been flushing 4 days. Should I go dark last 3 days 72 hours?
 

warren kirk

Active Member
Harvesting your weed based on trichomes is probably the easiest way for most growers to harvest as close to peak harvest as possible.


The difficulty in the method comes with how to determine the state of the trichomes and what each state means.
If you have the equipment needed it is however very easy and with experience it gets even easier.


To explain how to harvest by trichomes properly I will go into detail as to how to determine when trichomes are at their peak and which substances these trichomes contain, which are desirable and which are not.






The first thing you need to know is that there are 3 "states" in a trichomes development.




The first state is clear. Clear trichomes contain precursor cannabinoids (cannabinoids are the different substances in cannabis).
These precursor cannabinoids are not psychoactive (they do not produce a 'high') yet and harvesting clear trichomes will not give you a proper harvest.




The second state is cloudy/milky. Cloudy trichomes contain fully realized THC (the by far main contributing substance in any cannabis high).
You want to get as close to 100% cloudy trichomes @ harvest to get the most potency out of your plant. It's impossible to get 100% cloudy trichomes, since trichomes are always being produced and are always maturing, even after harvest the trichomes will continue to develop.




The third state is amber. Amber trichomes contain degraded THC --> CBN. CBN represents a loss of 90% potency (from THC).
CBN is not desirable in any harvest, since it not only represents a huge loss of potency but research into the substance has also shown that CBN does not produce a high like THC does, CBN produces a more sickly feeling not a true high.




Understanding the difference between clear - cloudy - amber trichomes is essential in getting a proper harvest with a peak potency.




This image is a good helper to remember the differences:







To understand how substances change and are developed in cannabis you will need to read extensively on each substance to understand what each substance does and how they affect each other.


This image is helpful in getting a vague knowledge of substances in cannabis and how they develop:









I will not go deeper into what each substance (CBG, CBD, CBC, CBN, THCV etc.) do, suffice to say they all play a part in the cannabis high, albeit a minor part for most of them, since THC is the main factor in a cannabis high.
Some provide pain relief, some reduce muscle spasm, the list goes on and research is still being done to figure out all of the benefits of these substances.


I can however post an image that explains rather well which effects the substances have on the human body:













Trichomes are of course not the only indicator of when to harvest.
There are other factors that should be taken into account when determining when to harvest.


Calyxes on the plant will swell up, these swollen calyxes are a sign of maturity.
The pistils (what some new growers call hairs) will change colour (often to an orange tinge) and recede into the calyx.
Receding pistils are also a sign of maturity.
Then there is the overall look of the plant. Many experienced growers simply go by this factor, they can determine peak harvest just by looking at the plant and seeing how it looks from afar regarding colour tinge and the look of the calyxes.


All these factors should be taken into account when harvesting. All of these factors usually align when peak harvest approaches.






The best way to check how the trichomes on your plant are doing is by means of a loupe or a microscope.
I would recommend getting ones that can at least go to 60x magnification.
Getting one that can go to 100x would be even better, but the more magnification the more cost.


All you have to do is take a small sample of a leaf with trichomes on it, or if you have a loupe or a USB microscope simply look at the trichomes on the plant to determine their 'state'.
It's important that you check all over the plant, since trichomes will usually develop and produce faster at the top(s) of branches and slower and the bottom of the plant.


Some people choose to harvest the tops first and let the bottom nugs grow a bit more to let the trichomes mature and develop further but also to let the buds fatten up more. It's a judgement and preference call really.




It's almost impossible to harvest without at least some amber trichomes (and some clear), keeping the amber trichomes to the minimum is key if you want maximum potency out of your plant.
Usually if you are careful and watchful you will end up with around 5% clear trichomes, 10% amber and 85% cloudy trichomes.
That is a very reasonable % split and is what you should be aiming for.









References & sources:

http://montanabiotech.com/

Marijuana Chemistry:
Genetics, Processing And Potency
U the man,best info I've read so far.
 

warren kirk

Active Member
Looking at these trichomes of my crop I'm probably gonna push them a about a week longer or so keeping a close eye on them what do some of the pros in here think? Are they good or should I push them longer? Also I took this photo with my iphone you can buy easy to use lenses for your phone and one lense is the macro it works very well and only cost about 20 bucks at the most and takes amazing pictures
I see lot of clear, I'm I wrong?
 

warren kirk

Active Member
How does this look? it's week 8 of bloom, Cherry Pie with one week of nutes ahead and one week of water till harvest.

Must have some fert issues, the largest fan leaves are turning red, small fans are still looking just fine.

The top leaves are curling inwards (Canoeing?) but the temp inside the 4X4 area is upper 70's to a high of 82.

Cree Cob panels, three of them at 200W each 2700K, 3000K and 3500K.

Thoughts?

Thanks
They look cloudy.
 

Alfonsi

Member
Need help... Haven't been able to get my hands on a loop so I can't check my trichs properly... I'm 11 weeks and 2 days out of the 12 week flowering time estimate my strain has
 

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tazz&indy

Well-Known Member
Hi, first, it does not matter how many days since seed or flowering etc, the only thing that matters is how the plant is doing, from the pictures I can't give a proper answer. You should definitely get a loupe or magnifier, if you don't, look at the pistils, wait until they turn amber, most should recede into the buds, now this is a good indication that she should be ready but not as good a indication as a loupe.
 

Alfonsi

Member
Hi, first, it does not matter how many days since seed or flowering etc, the only thing that matters is how the plant is doing, from the pictures I can't give a proper answer. You should definitely get a loupe or magnifier, if you don't, look at the pistils, wait until they turn amber, most should recede into the buds, now this is a good indication that she should be ready but not as good a indication as a loupe.
Here's a few pics using a loupe I'm getting mixed feed back on cutting now and waiting a couple weeks... Either ones fine for me as I'm in no rush and hope to get the most out of my little plant... Here are the few things I've notice
Her odour has changed from fruity to skunked
Her calyx look swollen
Her trichs are cloudy but no Amber yet
Her pistils are Amber but she's got a few new pistils popping up
I'm trying to avoid the couch lock feel and I've read that amber trichs don't effect the feeling as much as the genetics do so I'm stumped and chopping now or waiting for the Amber trichs to start showing themselves
 

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Takster

Member
This is my first post after being a lurker here during my entire first grow (some sage advice taken for sure though) anyway I stuck an extremely cheap chinese ebay macro lens on a samsung phone and bypassed getting off my ass to buy anything decent for my viewing pleasure. I think I'm getting close now... :weed:
 

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I was told that if you have more Amber that your product will create a couch lock high even though thc is degrading, and that the milky would be optimal but more Amber makes it seem stronger bc your almost a retarded potato on the couch.
I'm guessing it's all on the person?
 
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