Trichomes & Harvesting

simchaleh

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Many many growers can say whatever they like, if you chop at 75% amber then 75% of your tric's have degraded to the point where you have lost up to 90% thc to cbn. It's science!
ok.
how do the plants look overall, and by the triches?
do u think its time to chop?

should i wait longer with the MEDI Haze and especially the maui waui, since theres still a bunch of clear triches, even though amber is starting to set in?
 
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Kickflipfrontblunt

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hi there everyone.
i ive been lookn around alot to try figure out this whole harvesting time thing.
ive read all those posts about clear triches=cleaer high, and cloudy mix, amber heavy. and that amber is just degrading THC.
but that doesnt make sense to me, since we have so many different genetics and options. wouldnt the best be to carefully choose ur genetics, and then grow the bud to its full potential ripeness.?

which brings me to the question of, what is actually the full potenetial of ripeness?

there are many many very knowledgable growers, who says full potenetial is 75%amber usually. and that people that harvest at just clear/cloudy are losing out on the full potenetial of the bud. so if i want a clear headed cerebral sativa, to use genetics of a strain known for clear headed cerebral, and grow it to 75% amber. and the best is to just grow out the plant to its full potential, and letting the genetics control the type of high.
so if u want a cerebral clear upper, go sativa and grow to full potential,
and if u want an indica downer, go indica and grow full potenetial.
like in this post over here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/anyne-ever-smoked-overripe-buds.111444/page-12


on one hand i read many opions about harvesting when triches are cloudy,and a touch amber, to get full ripeness.
and to avoid amber.

also ive read that 'amber' only actually degrades the THC and turns the smoke into a downer, is when ur dealing with 100% amber, and letting it sit several many weeks like that.


what is the real deal?
is i actually true that if u grow out a good sativa strain, that is known for a clean focused high, and grow it to 75% amber, that it will become a tiring, confused, drowsy type of smoke?
or if you cut a clean focused high sativa at 50/50 cloudy/clear , that ull be losing out on its full potential?

can anyone with actual expereince doing this please chipe in?

ive put so much time and effort into this grow, i dont wanna chop early. and also i dont wanna chop too late.
looking forward to seeing actaul opinions here ;) thnks!
ok.
how do the plants look overall, and by the triches?
do u think its time to chop?

should i wait longer with the MEDI Haze since theres still a bunch of clear triches, even though amber is starting to set in?
its alllll subjective ... If you like a speedy high then chop with 40percent clear tricombs if you want a mix of speedy and a nice body high ( which for me is my preference ) wait for all tricombs to be cloudy with just a hint of Amber at the tips and not on all of the tricombs just around 10-15 percent of them ... I chopped one plant with 40% clear and 60% cloudy and it was a speedy high ... A functioning high if you will ... With my next harvest I waited for 10% Amber and not ful blown Amber either just a small percent and I got the perfect combination for me ... Here's the pic
 

simchaleh

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its alllll subjective ... If you like a speedy high then chop with 40percent clear tricombs if you want a mix of speedy and a nice body high ( which for me is my preference ) wait for all tricombs to be cloudy with just a hint of Amber at the tips and not on all of the tricombs just around 10-15 percent of them ... I chopped one plant with 40% clear and 60% cloudy and it was a speedy high ... A functioning high if you will ... With my next harvest I waited for 10% Amber and not ful blown Amber either just a small percent and I got the perfect combination for me ... Here's the pic
the problem here, is that ive theres a still a good mix of cloudy and clear. but at the same time im having a bunch of triches already going amber at the tips on the clear triches (with the maui waui strain.)
the medi h seems about 70 cloudy, 30 clear, with ambers thrown in all around.

im definately not into a body high. especially not a tiring or cloudy head type of one. which is why i picked these genetics...

the pics i posted dont help? im having trouble deciding how much percentage is actually there.
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

Active Member
it's nice to know that somebody did their homework on strains before they went out and bought seeds...but anytime you see Amber on any type of tricombs that means that that specific trichomes are degrading and the THC levels in it are decreasing and CBN levels are increasing which is what creates couch lock if you don't like the couch lock higher that very stoned feeling I would chop now ... You seem right in the sweet spot for the type of meds your growing... you have mostly cloudy try combs with just a touch of Amber the longer you wait the more Amber is going to show the more couch lock hi you're going to get...this is a bud of mine in the cure state
 

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simchaleh

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ok. thnks.
yeah i researched for hours using the filters on the seedbanks, and reading up online. i bought 3 different strains, to suit for different purposes that i want.
1)dutch passion durban poison,(mostly/or perhaps pure sativa) for clear focused energized smoke
2)nirvana maui waui,(sat dominant)for mellow but also energized chillling, happy enjoyable high. not too intense
3)CBD medi haze(80 percent sativa. 2:1 cbd/thc) for daytime work when needed for headaches, and to still be able to work.

btw have u actually tried growing out a sativa strain to amber before and has it caused a couchlock effect? its so hard for me to believe it. i would love to hear first hand experience.

how do the pics of the second strain, the maui waui look to you? do they also seem like mostly cloudy?
 
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Kickflipfrontblunt

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ok. thnks.
yeah i researched for hours using the filters on the seedbanks, and reading up online. i bought 3 different strains, to suit for different purposes that i want.
1)dutch passion durban poison,(mostly/or perhaps pure sativa) for clear focused energized smoke
2)nirvana maui waui,(sat dominant)for mellow but also energized chillling, happy enjoyable high. not too intense
3)CBD medi haze(80 percent sativa. 2:1 cbd/thc) for daytime work when needed for headaches, and to still be able to work.

btw have u actually tried growing out a sativa strain to amber before and has it caused a couchlock effect? its so hard for me to believe it. i would love to hear first hand experience.

how do the pics of the second strain, the maui waui look to you? do they also seem like mostly cloudy?
Beautiful pics.. But I can't tell because of the lights ... I'm not sure what kind they are they're deffinetly not HPS ... Is it l.e.d... But the tricombs look more on the clear side ... I couldn't see any Amber but it still has a little bit more to go before harvest.... And I never let a saliva get to Amber tricombs reason being im growing my first photoperiod now actually ... I stRted with autos and perfected my technique with those ... So now I'm on my first photoperiod so I know what I'm doing ... It's sativa dominant and I beleive it to be an Afghan broadleaf but I'm not too sure maybe you can help me with that... But deffinetly try turning lights off and then taking a pic so I can see the true color of he tricombs but they look beautiful... Here's the pic of my afghan .. Btw there's the last blueberry autofem waiting for harvest in front of the big girl ... Tell me what you think since you have grown photos before.. Second picture is a close up of the photoperiod
 

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simchaleh

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Beautiful pics.. But I can't tell because of the lights ... I'm not sure what kind they are they're deffinetly not HPS ... Is it l.e.d... But the tricombs look more on the clear side ... I couldn't see any Amber but it still has a little bit more to go before harvest.... And I never let a saliva get to Amber tricombs reason being im growing my first photoperiod now actually ... I stRted with autos and perfected my technique with those ... So now I'm on my first photoperiod so I know what I'm doing ... It's sativa dominant and I beleive it to be an Afghan broadleaf but I'm not too sure maybe you can help me with that... But deffinetly try turning lights off and then taking a pic so I can see the true color of he tricombs but they look beautiful... Here's the pic of my afghan .. Btw there's the last blueberry autofem waiting for harvest in front of the big girl ... Tell me what you think since you have grown photos before.. Second picture is a close up of the photoperiod
hey there.
its actually my first time ever grow. so i cant comment on ur pics at all. they look sweet though.
the light is a LED.
ur right, the light confuses some of the pics. but if u look at the close up triches pics i posted previously, ull see plenty of amber triches.
LOOK at picture 1, and 2 of the medi haze strain (first strain i posted).
and at picture 2 of the Maui waui (second strain).
after that u may also be able to identify them in the other pics
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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hey there.
its actually my first time ever grow. so i cant comment on ur pics at all. they look sweet though.
the light is a LED.
ur right, the light confuses some of the pics. but if u look at the close up triches pics i posted previously, ull see plenty of amber triches.
LOOK at picture 1, and 2 of the medi haze strain (first strain i posted).
and at picture 2 of the Maui waui (second strain).
after that u may also be able to identify them in the other pics
Ok so the medi looks ready..very few clear tricombs mostly cloudy and just the right amount of Amber color on a few... And I didn't see any hairs sticking straight up either ... And if there are virtually no white hairs then chop it and cure it ....the rest of them I couldn't tell you honestly what to do .. I can't get a good look at the pics cause the lighting
And btw did your photo plants look similar to mine when they were in early cola growth
 

simchaleh

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Ok so the medi looks ready..very few clear tricombs mostly cloudy and just the right amount of Amber color on a few... And I didn't see any hairs sticking straight up either ... And if there are virtually no white hairs then chop it and cure it ....the rest of them I couldn't tell you honestly what to do .. I can't get a good look at the pics cause the lighting
And btw did your photo plants look similar to mine when they were in early cola growth
hard for me to say, about pics of ur plants. i grew sativa dom plants witha very slow scrog screen. definately ask other people. open up a grow journal is the best advice i can give u.
btw when ur giving me this advice about when to chop, and concerning amber triches. is this from ur own personal experience, with a sativa strain with amber triches? or just from what uve read online in the forums etc? im trying to research this whole idea correctly.
ive read many threads and info in my research on this topic. where they say that the actualy high of the plant is cause 95% by the strain, and 5% by triche color harvest time. and that the amber triches only will cause the heaviness to the high, when ur dealing with over 75% amber, and when u let it sit several several weeks that way. i read that back in the day, only buds that were 75% amber were allowed in coffee shops in amsterdam, otherwise they were considered not fully ripe and at their potential.
 

rocpilefsj

Misguided Angel
The old clear is an upbeat high, amber is for couchlock is in my opinion the wrong way to do things and mostly bs, again my opinion. If you want a certain kind of high choose the strain that delivers what you want and grow it until majority of tric's are cloudy then chop. You want a couchlock high grow indica dominant strains, you want a more energetic high then grow sativa dom strains. All chopping with clear tric's does is rob you of yield and precursor cannibinoids have nowhere near the thc of cloudy fully realized tric's.
 

rocpilefsj

Misguided Angel
ok.
how do the plants look overall, and by the triches?
do u think its time to chop?

should i wait longer with the MEDI Haze and especially the maui waui, since theres still a bunch of clear triches, even though amber is starting to set in?
I find it hard to tell under led light, if you are seeing the majority cloudy with a few clear and amber then it is time to chop! You will never have all cloud but the closest you can get it the better. Plants looks good what kind of led and wattage were you running?
 

simchaleh

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The old clear is an upbeat high, amber is for couchlock is in my opinion the wrong way to do things and mostly bs, again my opinion. If you want a certain kind of high choose the strain that delivers what you want and grow it until majority of tric's are cloudy then chop. You want a couchlock high grow indica dominant strains, you want a more energetic high then grow sativa dom strains. All chopping with clear tric's does is rob you of yield and precursor cannibinoids have nowhere near the thc of cloudy fully realized tric's.
wow, its good to hear someone say that aobut that theory. im trying to get most cloudy. but im having trouble with the maui waui strain. the medi haze is gradually getting cloudier, and little by little more amber. however alot of the maui waui clear triches, are going amber at the tips, without turning cloudy. really wierd.

about not being able to see triches in the pics i put above, the light confuses some of the pics. but if u look at the close up triches pics i posted previously, ull see plenty of amber triches.
LOOK at picture 1, and 2 of the medi haze strain (first strain i posted).
and at picture 2 of the Maui waui (second strain).
after that u may also be able to identify them in the other pics


the light is a 96x3 mars hydro. actual draw is around 180W. im going at about 50W per sq foot.
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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hard for me to say, about pics of ur plants. i grew sativa dom plants witha very slow scrog screen. definately ask other people. open up a grow journal is the best advice i can give u.
btw when ur giving me this advice about when to chop, and concerning amber triches. is this from ur own personal experience, with a sativa strain with amber triches? or just from what uve read online in the forums etc? im trying to research this whole idea correctly.
ive read many threads and info in my research on this topic. where they say that the actualy high of the plant is cause 95% by the strain, and 5% by triche color harvest time. and that the amber triches only will cause the heaviness to the high, when ur dealing with over 75% amber, and when u let it sit several several weeks that way. i read that back in the day, only buds that were 75% amber were allowed in coffee shops in amsterdam, otherwise they were considered not fully ripe and at their potential.
IMO when the trichomes are full blown cloudy the plant is at it's peak potential , As they turn amber the thc is degrading to other cannabanoids responsible for the couch lock kind of buzz you speak of. I dont prefer sativa's but I have had them that are full blown amber and they are much more like an indica in buzz comparison. The plant IMO will never be all cloudy at one time, rather a mixture of clear, cloudy and amber with time being the major factor in what ratio they are at. If you like a more upbeat head high then chop it when there clear/ cloudy. If you desire couch lock then chop when they are more cloudy/amber. It really is up to you and what you like and honestly only hands on experience will show you. Hope this helps :) BB
thats what I grow by ... Just harvested my first blueberry 420 and couldn't be happier ... Waited for 75% clouded tricombs chopoed ... Hung it for 4 days in darkness and a constant RH of 63 and a temp range of 70-75... Now they are inason hard and just about cured... Here's a pic
 

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simchaleh

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thats what I grow by ... Just harvested my first blueberry 420 and couldn't be happier ... Waited for 75% clouded tricombs chopoed ... Hung it for 4 days in darkness and a constant RH of 63 and a temp range of 70-75... Now they are inason hard and just about cured... Here's a pic
u must mean theyre just about dried, not cured right?
doesnt it take like 2 months to cure properly?
 

tazz&indy

Well-Known Member
hi there everyone.
i ive been lookn around alot to try figure out this whole harvesting time thing.
ive read all those posts about clear triches=cleaer high, and cloudy mix, amber heavy. and that amber is just degrading THC.
but that doesnt make sense to me, since we have so many different genetics and options. wouldnt the best be to carefully choose ur genetics, and then grow the bud to its full potential ripeness.?

which brings me to the question of, what is actually the full potenetial of ripeness?

there are many many very knowledgable growers, who says full potenetial is 75%amber usually. and that people that harvest at just clear/cloudy are losing out on the full potenetial of the bud. so if i want a clear headed cerebral sativa, to use genetics of a strain known for clear headed cerebral, and grow it to 75% amber. and the best is to just grow out the plant to its full potential, and letting the genetics control the type of high.
so if u want a cerebral clear upper, go sativa and grow to full potential,
and if u want an indica downer, go indica and grow full potenetial.
like in this post over here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/anyne-ever-smoked-overripe-buds.111444/page-12


on one hand i read many opions about harvesting when triches are cloudy,and a touch amber, to get full ripeness.
and to avoid amber.

also ive read that 'amber' only actually degrades the THC and turns the smoke into a downer, is when ur dealing with 100% amber, and letting it sit several many weeks like that.


what is the real deal?
is i actually true that if u grow out a good sativa strain, that is known for a clean focused high, and grow it to 75% amber, that it will become a tiring, confused, drowsy type of smoke?
or if you cut a clean focused high sativa at 50/50 cloudy/clear , that ull be losing out on its full potential?

can anyone with actual expereince doing this please chipe in?

ive put so much time and effort into this grow, i dont wanna chop early. and also i dont wanna chop too late.
looking forward to seeing actaul opinions here ;) thnks!
I for one could only speak clearly about the strains that I personally grow and harvest first hand.
 
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