Travan Martin all over again??

SmokeyDan

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TM was murdered.

Brown attacked a police officer.
That is not in dispute

Zimmerman wasnt a police officer
No special rules dictate when a cop can or can't shoot you verses when a non cop can.

Zimmerman simply challenged (verbally) TM's presence. TM decided to attack him, resulting in a self defense shooting from Zimmerman.

If you're on top of me, wailing on my face, I or anyone else may shoot you in my defense.

Brown physically attacked a cop. At that moment he could have been shot clean.

He wasn't, and then he fled. At which point it was a pursuit situation, not a defensive action by the cop. The cop lost any self defense claim once Brown stopped the attack and ran. He shot him anyway, which is an execution in my mind.

Martin was not executed, it's arguable he was trying to kill Zimmerman, at least attempting grave bodily harm, thus justifying the shooting.
 

Hazydat620

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No it isn't. His last sentence states the exact opposite.

His point is yet again another black kid who started a fight with someone who had a gun got killed and the media makes them out to be a saint.

Not justifying their killing.
I don't believe he started the fight, yet again, the officer did
 

Wilksey

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Where was the "black community" in St. Louis when Jolice Trice, a BLACK WOMAN, was gunned down by Terrell Perkins and his brother last month, both BLACK MEN?

Or how about Abdulrauf Kadir, a BLACK MAN, when he was murdered by Antonio Muldrew, a BLACK MAN, also in the month of July?

Where were they in June when Lauren Bach, a WHITE WOMAN, was strangled in a bathtub by Raheem Thorpe, a BLACK MAN. How about when Demetrius Griffin, a BLACK MAN, was shot in the head by his BLACK neighbor Richard Watson?

Where was the outrage and riots from the "black community" for the 70 homicides that took place in the St. Louis area, mostly perpetrated BY BLACKS on BLACKS before this incident? The truth is the "black community" doesn't give a DAMN about murder as long as it's done by one of the own.

FUCK the "black community".
 

NLXSK1

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that actually is in dispute. eyewitness accounts don't match the police account.
Eyewitness accounts say that a cop decided he was going to pull a 6'4 250# black man into his police cruiser by dragging him through the window.

Seriously??

Pretty clear that Brown was up to no good when he physically attacked a cop and allegedly attempted to steal his gun.
 

ChesusRice

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Eyewitness accounts say that a cop decided he was going to pull a 6'4 250# black man into his police cruiser by dragging him through the window.

Seriously??

Pretty clear that Brown was up to no good when he physically attacked a cop and allegedly attempted to steal his gun.
Very much doubt he tried to steal the cops gun.
 

Red1966

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Until you run into someone who can culture bacteria and can give you antibiotics.
Who do you know that can do that? Would you be willing to take a drug made in someone's kitchen? Handing out antibiotics willy-nilly would lead to every disease becoming resistant and global pandemic.
 

SmokeyDan

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Who do you know that can do that? Would you be willing to take a drug made in someone's kitchen? Handing out antibiotics willy-nilly would lead to every disease becoming resistant and global pandemic.
I can culture bacteria.

My micro biology class had a lab course and it was basically the only thing we were graded on. Get a flow chart, some chemicals and test it.

So the answer is any microbiology student with a $20 flow chart can.

And no, they don't make the medicine, they write the rx and you go to a pharmacy.
 

Red1966

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I can culture bacteria.

My micro biology class had a lab course and it was basically the only thing we were graded on. Get a flow chart, some chemicals and test it.

So the answer is any microbiology student with a $20 flow chart can.

And no, they don't make the medicine, they write the rx and you go to a pharmacy.
Would you know exactly what bacteria you had, tho? I can culture bacteria, too. There's something wicked growing in my disposal right now. I'm sure not going to inject it into my body. You make it sound as simple as mixing cookie batter. It's not. A mistake is deadly.
 

jahbrudda

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Dorian Johnson: "He tried to brush his door open but he was so close to us that it ricocheted off us and it bounced back to him, and I guess that, you know, got him a little upset. And at that time ... he didn’t get out the car, he just reached his arm out the window and grabbed my friend around his neck and … as he was trying to choke my friend, he was trying to get away, and the officer then reached out and he grabbed his arm to pull him into the car."http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/different-versions-of-the-encounter-that-led-to-a-fatal/article_29f84765-24f3-53bb-8ca3-77f780f79d8f.html

Hard to believe an officer could reach out of a car window and grab a 6'4'' 292lb guy by the neck, that is unless Brown was bent over attacking the officer. Of course there is always the possibility that officer Wilson has the longest arm in Missouri.
 

greenlikemoney

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One should always take a robbery accomplice version of events with a grain of salt. Most criminals are accomplished liars as well.
 

SmokeyDan

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Would you know exactly what bacteria you had, tho? I can culture bacteria, too. There's something wicked growing in my disposal right now. I'm sure not going to inject it into my body. You make it sound as simple as mixing cookie batter. It's not. A mistake is deadly.
Yes.

Their is an entire series of tests, granted there are a wide range of bacteria out there, but only a select few can cause disease in humans.

You start out by putting a stain on it, this is to see if it is gram negative or gram positive.

It's been several years. I forget the details.

But even still today, if I had a couple hundred dollars worth of equipment, and a $20 flow chart, I could figure out what bacteria was infecting you.

When you go to the doctor with strep throat, do you think it is the MD who takes the swab and tests to make sure it'd strep?

No, it's a lab tech who has a 2 year degree, maybe, that makes sure it is streptococcus.

When you find out what the bacteria is, you look at a chart that figures out what antibiotic kills it.

It really isn't rocket science.
 

ChesusRice

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No special rules dictate when a cop can or can't shoot you verses when a non cop can.

Zimmerman simply challenged (verbally) TM's presence. TM decided to attack him, resulting in a self defense shooting from Zimmerman.

If you're on top of me, wailing on my face, I or anyone else may shoot you in my defense.

Brown physically attacked a cop. At that moment he could have been shot clean.

He wasn't, and then he fled. At which point it was a pursuit situation, not a defensive action by the cop. The cop lost any self defense claim once Brown stopped the attack and ran. He shot him anyway, which is an execution in my mind.

Martin was not executed, it's arguable he was trying to kill Zimmerman, at least attempting grave bodily harm, thus justifying the shooting.
Zimmerman wasnt a cop. He basically stalked someone, confronted him then killed him.
 

SmokeyDan

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Zimmerman wasnt a cop. He basically stalked someone, confronted him then killed him.
He did stalk. Perfectly legal.

He did confront, again, perfectly legal.

Upon being confronted, TM attacked Zimmerman, not legal.

If someone asks you why you're walking down the street, you're not justified in attacking them.

When Zimmerman was attacked, he shot his attacker, perfectly legal.
 

ChesusRice

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He did stalk. Perfectly legal.

He did confront, again, perfectly legal.

Upon being confronted, TM attacked Zimmerman, not legal.

If someone asks you why you're walking down the street, you're not justified in attacking them.

When Zimmerman was attacked, he shot his attacker, perfectly legal.
The only witness that can corroborate your opinion was conveniently murdered by George Zimmerman
 
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