Tory senators not inclined to rush debate on bill to legalize cannabis

VIANARCHRIS

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OTTAWA — Conservative senators are balking at an attempt to speed up consideration of a bill to legalize recreational marijuana, which the Trudeau government hopes to have in place this July.

Sen. Larry Smith, who leads the Conservative caucus in the Senate, indicated Wednesday that his senators need more time than the government wants to allow to do their duty as the official Opposition: to provide thorough and "constructive evaluation" of bills, particularly one as complicated and far-reaching as the cannabis legislation.

The government's representative in the Senate, Sen. Peter Harder, served notice this week that he wants second reading debate on Bill C-45 wrapped up by March 1, after which it would go to committee for detailed examination before returning to the Senate for a final debate and vote.

If the various Senate factions don't agree to that timetable, Harder warned he'll move a motion to impose time allocation to cut off debate — a tactic he's avoided using before now.

Harder justified using it on C-45 because, he said, Conservative senators have been instructed by their party's leader, Andrew Scheer, to use "all democratic tools" available to "block" the bill.

The bill has been before the Senate since November but only one Conservative senator has spoken on it thus far.

Barring time allocation to cut debate short, Senate rules allow debate to be delayed indefinitely as long as a single senator still wants to speak.

Smith said he's got 17 senators who want to take part in second reading debate but they haven't spoken as yet, since they were waiting to hear from the ministers in charge of the cannabis file. Those ministers — Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould and Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale — testified on the bill before the Senate last week.

Given the interest in the debate, Smith said he'll be urging Harder to show "some flexibility" on the March 1 deadline.

"We're looking to see whether there's an opportunity, a schedule that can be set up that serves all the needs of the four groups," he said, referring to the Conservatives, the Independent Senators Group, former Liberal senators and non-affiliated independent senators.

As for Harder's claim that Scheer has instructed Conservative senators to use all available tools to block the bill, Smith said: "Andrew Scheer said exactly what any Opposition leader would say, (which) is that, 'We're in Opposition and do what you can do to be an effective Opposition.'"

"The purpose of what we're trying to do is make sure that we constructively evaluate all of the elements of this bill," he added.

"It's very intricate. There's health issues, there's issues for young people, there's issues for impaired driving ... the impact of people high on pot working their machines. There's also the implementation date and the training that's supposed to take place."

Petitpas Taylor told senators last week that provincial governments will need two to three months after the bill receives royal assent to prepare for retail sales of cannabis.

She insisted the government is still on track to legalize weed this July but didn't clarify whether she meant it would actually be available for sale at that time or simply that the bill would have received royal assent by then. Officials later said that would depend on how quickly C-45 gets through the Senate.

The Senate would have to pass the bill by the end of May at the latest for marijuana sales to start in July.

On Wednesday, Petitpas Taylor said she had not spoken to Harder about trying to speed up the progress of the bill through the Senate.

But in the House of Commons, Conservative MPs alleged that the government is trying to rush the bill through the Senate to help Liberal friends who own marijuana companies financed by anonymous individuals via offshore tax havens, which can be used by organized crime to launder money.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — who maintains the purpose of legalization is to regulate cannabis so that it's less accessible to young people and organized crime's control over the market is eliminated — brushed off those allegations.

Under the proposed regulations for legalized cannabis, he said "security clearances will be mandatory for individuals who occupy key positions in any organization, as well as background checks on significant investors to any marijuana company."

Joan Bryden, The Canadian Press
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Government threatens to cut off Senate debate on pot as July deadline looms

The Canadian Press
February 14, 2018

Government threatens to cut off Senate debate on pot as July deadline looms
OTTAWA — The Trudeau government is moving to ensure the Senate doesn't hold up its plans to legalize recreational marijuana in July.

The government's representative in the upper house, Sen. Peter Harder, served notice Tuesday that he wants second reading debate on Bill C-45 wrapped up by March 1, after which it would go to committee for detailed examination before returning to the chamber for a final debate and vote.

If the various Senate factions won't agree to that timetable, Harder warned he'll move a motion to impose time allocation to cut off debate — the first time he's threatened to resort to that tactic since taking on the role of government representative two years ago.

"My fear, quite frankly, is that March 1 would come and we may see the sort of procedural obstruction we have seen from senators in this Parliament on multiple items of business," he told his fellow senators.

Harder aimed his remarks primarily at Conservative senators, whom he said have been instructed by their party's leader, Andrew Scheer, to use "all the democratic tools" available to "block" the bill.

Conservative Senate Leader Larry Smith last week denied his senators plan to be "obstructionist" but he said they will insist on a thorough examination of the legislation.

C-45 has been before the Senate since November and so far only one Conservative senator has joined the debate. The Conservative critic for the bill, Sen. Claude Carignan has yet to speak.

Barring the imposition of time allocation, Senate rules allow debate to be delayed indefinitely as long as a single senator still wants to speak.

Harder's threat to cut off debate comes a week after Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor told senators that provincial governments will need two to three months after the bill receives royal assent to prepare for retail sales of cannabis.

She insisted the government is still on track to legalize weed this July but didn't clarify whether she meant it would actually be available for sale at that time or simply that the bill would have received royal assent by then. Officials later said that would depend on how quickly C-45 gets through the Senate.

The Senate would have to pass the bill by the end of May at the latest for marijuana sales to start in July.

Harder's move to speed up the glacial pace of the bill through the Senate suggests the government is hoping to have cannabis available for sale in July.
 

TheRealDman

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Like I said earlier, get it done..or the Libs will just force the bill thru as is. The Libs have been showing the Con’s a political courtesy with non-debating in the Senate. They can easily speed up the process at anytime to aid the current LP’s getting their July Rec date.
 

cannadan

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realistically its time to completely abolish the senate.....enough of these pigs belly up at the trough....
if all they can do is slow down the process....then its time to streamline said process...with a massive savings to be had...
by cutting all this partisan dead weight...that only uses the countries resources up...while feeding those....who have made their living /life and livelyhood all off of the governments dole...
 

VIANARCHRIS

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An excerpt from one of my articles. Isn't it amazing how slurping at the trough affects their memory?

"Here's a little fun fact about Mr. Carignan that makes his recent statements very confusing and removes any credibility he thinks he may have. I read a statement that he made in 2015, as leader of the opposition in the Canadian Senate, that is completely contrary to what he said today."

Sen. Claude Carignan, the Conservative leader in the upper chamber, says his senators will look for ways to improve legislation coming from the House of Commons and won't abuse their majority status in the upper chamber to thwart Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's program.

"We don't want to obstruct and (be) an ideological opposition," he said.


"We don't want to play this game. We will play our role to improve, to study and we will not abuse the situation."
 

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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realistically its time to completely abolish the senate.....enough of these pigs belly up at the trough....
if all they can do is slow down the process....then its time to streamline said process...with a massive savings to be had...
by cutting all this partisan dead weight...that only uses the countries resources up...while feeding those....who have made their living /life and livelyhood all off of the governments dole...
thats right..cut one more step in checking what our crying leader can impose ..

not abollish..but the appointment thing is not good either..

which brings us to elected senate
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
"Compare that with the final session of the former Conservative government under Stephen Harper. Over 22 months, the government passed 61 bills and the Senate, which was then dominated by Conservatives, amended just one of them. Harper invoked time allocation at every opportunity to avoid debate on the highly controversial omnibus bills.".
 
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