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ganjaluvr

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Anyone else happen to get lucky enough to grab all those "TOP SECRET"
and "CLASSIFIED" documents from Wikileaks?!

I did. In fact.. I nabbed a "CLASSIFIED" video. The video will make you cringe and if your a very sensitive person (as I am)... I wouldn't recommend watching the video at all. It's very sad.. watching these innocent people lose their lives.

The video is from an Apache helicopter. It's a long video.. but I have the short version of it. Basically, in a nutshell... it shows the United States Military, firing upon journalist of whom were employed with 'Reuters' publications. These people had NO WEAPONS.. and anyone with a set of eyes.. could CLEARLY see that! One of them.. was clearly carrying a camera over his shoulder.. with a strap attached to it. But the fucking brainless assholes in the Apache helicopter.. (and you can see and hear them talking about it) they kept saying "I want to open fire, permission to fire?"

They were claiming that these people were taliban insurgents.. but in fact they weren't! They were journalists!

I personally have never seen what a .50cal tommy gun can do to a human body... but after seeing this video.. ehhh yeah. They had no chance in hell of surviving. It's a bloody and horrible video to watch. If you want the link.. or the video.. let me know. But again, I warn you... its not edited.. and its VERY VERY graphic.. and if you do happen to watch it.. and it doesn't make you upset.. or touch your heart in some way.. then, IMO... your just as evil and bad.. as these U.S. soldiers that took the lives of these innocent people... who were simply trying to do their job.

It also shows.. a van pulling up a minute or two after the initial engagement and killing of these journalists. The van was simply trying to help these people.. by picking them up and taking them to the nearest hospital to get them help. Not only that.. but inside the passenger side of the van.. were two kids. Both female.. and they end up getting blasted with the .50Cal gun from the Apache helicopter as well. Its a sad video.. and very very graphic video. But, its as close to being there.. as you can get without actually "being" there.

What pissed me off the most.. was once these U.S. soldiers in the Apache helicopter found out what they did... they laughed about it. :|

Shits getting out of control you guys.. :|

The worlds going to shit.. in a pink paper sack. We have got to pull together.. like we've never done before.. and MAKE A DIFFERENCE! We need to be heard! This shits gotta be put to a stop!!! >:|

I gotta go smoke a bowl..

peace.

P.S. - if you want the link.. just say so.
Thanks.
 

Vices

Active Member
I've seen the video of FF US/CAN never non-combatants. That is just insane!
I'd love a link to the video so I can share these atrocities with people i know; I would even consider hosting for streaming if that was okay with you.
 

brandon.

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I didn't see the video Ganj, but seriously don't ever try to speak from the position of a soldier. Until someone is trying to kill you everyday, and you're in the stress and the heat and trying not to die then you can talk.

The same thing has happened in every war we've fought.
 

brandon.

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Before this thread gets derailed from it's original intent. My most wanted torrent is a "sluts of the food network" porn. It doesn't exist yet, but I wish it did.
 

Supgee3

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Ganjaluvr, I have to say.. I've seen the video you're talking about.... and in all honesty that's just war... and that video wasn't sick in the slightest bit... You sir have very obviously never seen some REALLY and TRULY fucked up shit.

Cuz watching people get blown to bits on a black - n - white apache helicopter cam isn't sick... it's actually what some of us call entertainment.

LIGHT'EM UP!

ps: and for the record... if you're in the middle of an active war zone... and you stop to pick up corpses of suspected militants (even though they weren't) be prepared to get fucked up in the same way they did.... and also the children inside the van... again... just another casualty of war... who the FUCK brings their children with them to go pick up dead bodies? They were just asking to get butt fucked.... not to mention the apache helicopter in the sky!!!!
 

ganjaluvr

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Ganjaluvr, I have to say.. I've seen the video you're talking about.... and in all honesty that's just war... and that video wasn't sick in the slightest bit... You sir have very obviously never seen some REALLY and TRULY fucked up shit.

Cuz watching people get blown to bits on a black - n - white apache helicopter cam isn't sick... it's actually what some of us call entertainment.

LIGHT'EM UP!

ps: and for the record... if you're in the middle of an active war zone... and you stop to pick up corpses of suspected militants (even though they weren't) be prepared to get fucked up in the same way they did.... and also the children inside the van... again... just another casualty of war... who the FUCK brings their children with them to go pick up dead bodies? They were just asking to get butt fucked.... not to mention the apache helicopter in the sky!!!!
You missed the whole point my friend. Those stupid brainless fucks fired upon INNOCENT people. Who were CLEARLY!! NOT carrying weapons. They were journalists!!! They had no weapons.. they were carrying camera equipment. The one guy, was carrying a camera.. and lost his life because he was doing his job. You sir, missed my point.

I realize what WAR pertains to.. and I realize that innocent people die every single day in war zones. But! When these brainless fucks fired upon these innocent journalists... FOR FUN!!!? Yeah... that's fucked up. That's the point I was trying to get across.

Anyhow, if anyone is having troubles finding these "top secret" U.S. Documents.. here's a link for you:

http://213.251.145.96/ <--- Contains ONLY "top secret" U.S. Documents and War Logs from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Be careful with what you read and download though. Ever since I began the search for these "sensitive" and "top secret" documents, I've had funny
shit happen with my computer. *shrug*.

anyhow.. have fun!

peace.
 

Vento

Well-Known Member
You missed the whole point my friend. Those stupid brainless fucks fired upon INNOCENT people. Who were CLEARLY!! NOT carrying weapons. They were journalists!!! They had no weapons.. they were carrying camera equipment. The one guy, was carrying a camera.. and lost his life because he was doing his job. You sir, missed my point.

I realize what WAR pertains to.. and I realize that innocent people die every single day in war zones. But! When these brainless fucks fired upon these innocent journalists... FOR FUN!!!? Yeah... that's fucked up. That's the point I was trying to get across.
Your wasteing your time .... some people just don't get it ... They think its a video game
 

ganjaluvr

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Your wasteing your time .... some people just don't get it ... They think its a video game
Well, I appreciate you being mature and polite about this.

Your right though.. its a pure waste of time trying to explain something of such significance, to people that just don't get it.

I actually just got done telling myself this, but again.. thanks for your understanding and politeness about the subject.

It's nice to know that 'sane' people still exist. ;)

Peace.
 

Vento

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Well, I appreciate you being mature and polite about this.

Your right though.. its a pure waste of time trying to explain something of such significance, to people that just don't get it.

I actually just got done telling myself this, but again.. thanks for your understanding and politeness about the subject.

It's nice to know that 'sane' people still exist. ;)

Peace.
Sane ? .. hell no :) ... Just a bit older and wiser than some here :)

People have lost the sence of self and are detached from whats real and what they see on the TV ( Mostley propaganda ) , Its not happening on the street they live in ... so it don't matter to them .

Bottom line is this , INNOCENT Human life is being lost in an unjust illigal war for power and greed and control , The mission is not about keeping the world safe ... Its about enslaveing more humans into the capitalist Consumer prison , Control of resorces , Setting up forward bases for future attacks on other countrys ( Iran ) to do the same all over again .

9/11 was used to gain public opinion on going to war , Prior to 9/11 very little public backing ... after 9/11 " USA ! USA ! USA ! " Sheep ...

I just want to add , Iraq was no playground befor the attacks .... But the premiss for going to war was a total lie , Other countrys have way more human rights issues and are more of a threat ... no one is invadeing them ? .


Its just a shame that people can't see how the loss of just one life is one life to many .
 

IOWNEVERY1

Well-Known Member
In the video there is actually people with AK47's and one with an RPG so they were protecting themselves. I do have problem with killing civilians but we are in a war not a fairy showdown...people have to die for your protection and thats the bottom line
 

IOWNEVERY1

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Sane ? .. hell no :) ... Just a bit older and wiser than some here :)

People have lost the sence of self and are detached from whats real and what they see on the TV ( Mostley propaganda ) , Its not happening on the street they live in ... so it don't matter to them .

Bottom line is this , INNOCENT Human life is being lost in an unjust illigal war for power and greed and control , The mission is not about keeping the world safe ... Its about enslaveing more humans into the capitalist Consumer prison , Control of resorces , Setting up forward bases for future attacks on other countrys ( Iran ) to do the same all over again .

9/11 was used to gain public opinion on going to war , Prior to 9/11 very little public backing ... after 9/11 " USA ! USA ! USA ! " Sheep ...

I just want to add , Iraq was no playground befor the attacks .... But the premiss for going to war was a total lie , Other countrys have way more human rights issues and are more of a threat ... no one is invadeing them ? .


Its just a shame that people can't see how the loss of just one life is one life to many .
Let me guess G Bush did it, he blew up the towers on 9/11.......your just another lib who thinks the government is secretly killing people and starting wars for the fun of it or for oil. Let me guess you like conspiracy theories too.
 

mrdrywall

Active Member
just watched the video, great footage. any of you bleedin hearts remember the towers surely they r not over there cryin about us. ha ha wish we could do that on all the streets over there !!! go usa!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Vento

Well-Known Member
Let me guess G Bush did it, he blew up the towers on 9/11.......your just another lib who thinks the government is secretly killing people and starting wars for the fun of it or for oil. Let me guess you like conspiracy theories too.
Nothing i said is a conspiracy OR a theory... Its Fact !

US Economical hitmen was sent to Iraq to get Sadam to agree to useing the doller ... he refused,
No a single shred of evidence to support WMD's or any link to Osama ( Tim Osman ) or Al-Qaeda ( CIA Codename for a organisation they trained and fund ) Even to this day !

I'm not a lib .. or a rep ...or support any party for that matter ...I don't subscribe to it ...It's all an illusion ...Smoke and mirrors .

I'm just a guy who would rather know wahts going on in the world than just be force fed the bullshit .

This is not about me or you .... this is about innocent lives being lost ....If you can't see that , then im sorry for you .
 

IOWNEVERY1

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This is not written by me but this explains what im saying perfectly...they did have weapons


Ok John, I have watched the full video several times. Go to www.collateralmurder.com. This site has the full video. There are atleast 2 guys with AK-47's. Possibly a third that has a folding stock variety. There is yet another that is seen to be holding a long barreled weapon that appears to be a light machinegun. He is holding it by the barrel up near the muzzle with the buttstock resting on the ground. I did not see an RPG, but when the cameraman knelt by the corner and poked around to take a picture, it looked like he was pointing a shoulderfired weapon with a large bore (ie; an RPG).

It is easy for us to sit here with our large screen monitors with HD video cards and the ability to pause and rewind, to sit here in the comfort of our homes to second guess what the gunner and pilot are seeing. However, the screen in the Apache is much smaller and there are alot of things that those guys have to pay attention to. They made a judgement call in a combat situation. Keep in mind that other American forces were being engaged by insurgents in that area.

Just to bring certain things to your attention. At the above site, on the long version, at the fololowing time hacks you can see the following.

2:03 you can see 4 men walking at the top of the frame near the flatbed of a truck. The second guy from the left is holding a weapon in his right hand.

At 2:05 you can see the first guy on the left is also holding an AK47 by the pistolgrip with the muzzle pointed at the ground. These guys are not the journalists, who have already walked down to the bottom of the frame.

At 2:16 you can see that the first guy I mentioned has now placed the buttstock of his long weapon on the ground and is holding it by the muzzle.

At 2:32 you see what we now know to be the journalist kneeling behind the corner of a wall with the front of his camera sticking out. That is where the gunner says "He's got an RPG".

At 3:17 right before the gunner opens fire there is a guy standing in the group with a shirt that has wide horizontal stripes. As he turns, you can see that he is holding an AK47.

If you notice, the gunner was not targeting the journalists when he was talking about men with weapons except for the time the journalist poked his camera around the corner.

In closing John, seeing as how you couldn't even get my name correct, I can see how you missed all of these points. It's very easy to sit in our homes "monday-night quaterbacking" and playing "armchair General".



http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1978017,00.html#ixzz17RchjR35
 

Vento

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just watched the video, great footage. any of you bleedin hearts remember the towers surely they r not over there cryin about us. ha ha wish we could do that on all the streets over there !!! go usa!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember the towers yeah ...all the lives lost ... all the lives that are still being lost ... All the lies and media manipulation to stir up hatred ... I remember it well .

What do you remember about it son ?
 

Vento

Well-Known Member
This is not written by me but this explains what im saying perfectly...they did have weapons


Ok John, I have watched the full video several times. Go to www.collateralmurder.com. This site has the full video. There are atleast 2 guys with AK-47's. Possibly a third that has a folding stock variety. There is yet another that is seen to be holding a long barreled weapon that appears to be a light machinegun. He is holding it by the barrel up near the muzzle with the buttstock resting on the ground. I did not see an RPG, but when the cameraman knelt by the corner and poked around to take a picture, it looked like he was pointing a shoulderfired weapon with a large bore (ie; an RPG).

It is easy for us to sit here with our large screen monitors with HD video cards and the ability to pause and rewind, to sit here in the comfort of our homes to second guess what the gunner and pilot are seeing. However, the screen in the Apache is much smaller and there are alot of things that those guys have to pay attention to. They made a judgement call in a combat situation. Keep in mind that other American forces were being engaged by insurgents in that area.

Just to bring certain things to your attention. At the above site, on the long version, at the fololowing time hacks you can see the following.

2:03 you can see 4 men walking at the top of the frame near the flatbed of a truck. The second guy from the left is holding a weapon in his right hand.

At 2:05 you can see the first guy on the left is also holding an AK47 by the pistolgrip with the muzzle pointed at the ground. These guys are not the journalists, who have already walked down to the bottom of the frame.

At 2:16 you can see that the first guy I mentioned has now placed the buttstock of his long weapon on the ground and is holding it by the muzzle.

At 2:32 you see what we now know to be the journalist kneeling behind the corner of a wall with the front of his camera sticking out. That is where the gunner says "He's got an RPG".

At 3:17 right before the gunner opens fire there is a guy standing in the group with a shirt that has wide horizontal stripes. As he turns, you can see that he is holding an AK47.

If you notice, the gunner was not targeting the journalists when he was talking about men with weapons except for the time the journalist poked his camera around the corner.

In closing John, seeing as how you couldn't even get my name correct, I can see how you missed all of these points. It's very easy to sit in our homes "monday-night quaterbacking" and playing "armchair General".



http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1978017,00.html#ixzz17RchjR35
Your missing My point ... they should not be there .

If your country was invaded ... would you sit at home or would you tool up and try and defend your freedom ?

[video=youtube;kelmEZe8whI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

we could sit here for 30 years and argue our side ... nether of us will see it how it all actualy is ... But what i see people ( on both ) sides dieing for a lie and so that men in suits can fill ther pockets .... How many polaticians have family on the frontline ?

Your free to belive and see things how you want to ...i welcome it ..... But try and at least be open minded .
 

IOWNEVERY1

Well-Known Member
Your missing My point ... they should not be there .

If your country was invaded ... would you sit at home or would you tool up and try and defend your freedom ?

[video=youtube;kelmEZe8whI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

we could sit here for 30 years and argue our side ... nether of us will see it how it all actualy is ... But what i see people ( on both ) sides dieing for a lie and so that men in suits can fill ther pockets .... How many polaticians have family on the frontline ?

Your free to belive and see things how you want to ...i welcome it ..... But try and at least be open minded .
Here is a list:



*Senator Tim Johnson (D- South Dakota)
(son, Brooks, Served in Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and now works as an Army recruiter. )
Conflict with Iraq: Some members of Congress have great personal interest in the war






*Former Senator & Attorney General John Ashcroft (R- MO)
His son, Andy, is in the Navy and has served in the GulF in support of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars.
This is a little known fact, because Ashcroft did not want to bring unwanted attention to his son and of course the left-leaning media never did a story on it, because that would hurt their agenda of hurting him.

fahrenheit fact: Fahrenheit Fact no. 14: Legislative sons in active service

Atlas Shrugs: Dinner with John Ashcroft






*Senator Christopher Bond (R - Missouri)
(son, Sam, is in the U.S. Marines and is currently serving in IRAQ.)
Kit Bond&#8217;s son leaves for Iraq Marine duty






*Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-California)
(son, Duane, is a U.S. Marine and Served in IRAQ)
Serving on two fronts | The San Diego Union-Tribune






Rep. Joe Wilson (R-South Carolina)
(Three sons in military:

*Alan is a captain in the Army National Guard served in IRAQ,

*Addison is serving in the Navy,

*Julian is in the Army National Guard)

USATODAY.com - For a few in Congress, war is family concern







Senator elect James Webb (D- WV)
Son is a U.S. Marine and serving in Iraq.
Troop Push Is Personal For McCain - washingtonpost.com






Senator John McCain (R- AZ)
Son is a U.S. Marine serving in Iraq War.
Troop Push Is Personal For McCain - washingtonpost.com






Rep. John Kline, (R-Minn)
(son, Dan, is a Black Hawk Helicopter pilot in the 101st Airborne and serving in IRAQ)
Power Line: A message from the Kline campaign







*Senator Joseph Biden (D- Delaware)
( has a son who is a Lawyer and a First Lieutenant in the Delaware Army National Guard.)
Delaware Grapevine






Rep. Jim Saxton (D- NJ)
nephew, a Marine rifleman, served in Iraq.
USATODAY.com - For a few in Congress, war is family concern





*Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colorado)
(son, John, serving in the Navy and sent to Iraq)
FOXNews.com - Handful of Lawmakers Send Their Kids to War - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum






*Rep. Ike Skelton (R-Missouri)
(has a son serving in Army serving in Iraq)

Serving on two fronts | The San Diego Union-Tribune





*Rep. Todd Akin (R-Missouri)
(has a son, Perry, in the Marine Corps who is a combat engineer serving in Iraq.)
Serving on two fronts | The San Diego Union-Tribune



John McCain's support of the troops Surge has actually sent his own son, Jimmy, to Baghdad.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/89071-politicians-sons-serving-afghanistan-iraq-wars.html#ixzz17SstbMAj
 
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