There is more evidence of God than can be denied.

Do you believe that a higher power and infinite intelligence is at work in the universe?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 16 66.7%

  • Uncertain

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Total voters
    24
New Age United

New Age United

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[QUOTE ="Darth Vapour, post: 11684818, member: 901909"]But most importantly i am waiting for this more evidence there is a GOD thing lol[/Q
reddan1981 said:
not real ones brother, I'm open to being proved to though. If anyone could post a real time video of the earth spinning that ISN'T a 1970s where the clouds appear fixed please do....
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The clouds are spinning with the earth; the entire atmosphere is spinning with earth; I know I can't prove it to you but you can use and trust in logic. What is more logical, that the entire universe revolves around the Earth or that the earth spins.
 
reddan1981

reddan1981

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New Age United said:
[QUOTE ="Darth Vapour, post: 11684818, member: 901909"]But most importantly i am waiting for this more evidence there is a GOD thing lol[/Q

The clouds are spinning with the earth; the entire atmosphere is spinning with earth; I know I can't prove it to you but you can use and trust in logic. What is more logical, that the entire universe revolves around the Earth or that the earth spins.
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logical is the wrong word I think. Probable is Imo more accurate.
 
New Age United

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reddan1981 said:
Sorry bro it might look random, the connections I make in life will be different to yourself because we are different. Our intent for posting on this site will differ also. My point for posting this specific website is to back up my post with a site that points out NASA photo anomalies and to add weight to my premise that we don't really KNOW anything.
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Yes we do KNOW things; that is the Devine gift of logic. We can know that the earth spins because it makes sense, and by trusting logic we have built the entire civilization of humanity; we are the supreme beings on this Earth entirety because of what we know, but I do get your point, we can not be certain of anything; other than what we ourselves are directly aware of. The only way to prove to you that the earth spins is to put you in the frame of an observer outside of the earth.
 
reddan1981

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New Age United said:
Yes we do KNOW things; that is the Devine gift of logic. We can know that the earth spins because it makes sense, and by trusting logic we have built the entire civilization of humanity; we are the supreme beings on this Earth entirety because of what we know, but I do get your point, we can not be certain of anything; other than what we ourselves are directly aware of. The only way to prove to you that the earth spins is to put you in the frame of an observer outside of the earth.
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. Have you heard of the Sagnac's experiment?
 
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Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by a "dead universe"

As humans we're used to seeing patterns and order in things, that's one of our evolutionary advantages that improves our survivability, same thing with faces, you ever stare at a carpet or a stucco wall with random designs on it and eventually see faces? Our brain does that all on its own
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I mean do you view the universe as a lifeless unconscious machine, along the lines of Newtons clock work universe.

Can you explain how the double helix formed the DNA code and how that code communicates that information with the organism; how does an organism so complex as the human brain come to be without a primordial intelligence to direct it?
 
superloud

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New Age United said:
I mean do you view the universe as a lifeless unconscious machine, along the lines of Newtons clock work universe.

Can you explain how the double helix formed the DNA code and how that code communicates that information with the organism; how does an organism so complex as the human brain come to be without a primordial intelligence to direct it?
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Can you explain how your primordial Intelligent came to be? It's a simple question if we are so complex we cannot exist without a more complex being making us Man it is only logical to assume that that more complex band also had to have a maker. It doesn't make sense to explain God by saying look at the stuff around you. If God has to be the explanation to how all this magnificent shit exist then there has to be an explanation to how your God exist.
 
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superloud said:
Can you explain how your primordial Intelligent came to be? It's a simple question if we are so complex we cannot exist without a more complex being making us Man it is only logical to assume that that more complex band also had to have a maker. It doesn't make sense to explain God by saying look at the stuff around you. If God has to be the explanation to how all this magnificent shit exist then there has to be an explanation to how your God exist.
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Yes I am aware of this; here is a simular question; what caused the big bang, if that is the beginning of our universe then what was there before that to support a big bang? Where and how does space - time begin, or is it Eternal and infinite (philosophical definition ).
 
New Age United

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If time is Eternal than Space must be infinite ( philosophical definition ). IMO the universe absolutely must be infinite and eternal otherwise it could not possibly exist; like plants which spring new life from decaying matter so do black holes spring forth new big bangs from the singularities they form, like a seed planted in the soil of space, space - time bending in on its self in an infinitely dividing matrix, the space - time continuum.
 
superloud

superloud

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New Age United said:
Yes I am aware of this; here is a simular question; what caused the big bang, if that is the beginning of our universe then what was there before that to support a big bang? Where and how does space - time begin, or is it Eternal and infinite (philosophical definition ).
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I never Claimed to believe in the Big Bang Theory. But that is exactly my point There is no definitive way to tell. Nothing around me prove the existence of God.
 
Chester da Horse

Chester da Horse

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New Age United said:
If time is Eternal than Space must be infinite ( philosophical definition ). IMO the universe absolutely must be infinite and eternal otherwise it could not possibly exist; like plants which spring new life from decaying matter so do black holes spring forth new big bangs from the singularities they form, like a seed planted in the soil of space, space - time bending in on its self in an infinitely dividing matrix, the space - time continuum.
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if you want a religious text that coherently mates with big bang theopry/modern cosmology - look at the Hindu vedas (>5000yr old scriptures from India)...its all in there.
doesn't quite fit well with the 7 day genesis tho, does it.
 
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superloud said:
I never Claimed to believe in the Big Bang Theory. But that is exactly my point There is no definitive way to tell. Nothing around me prove the existence of God.
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You are denying logic; there is no way to prove that any other being is conscious but do you honestly believe that you are the only conscious being; it is not rational to believe such a thing, it is in fact delusional.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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New Age United said:
I mean do you view the universe as a lifeless unconscious machine, along the lines of Newtons clock work universe.

Can you explain how the double helix formed the DNA code and how that code communicates that information with the organism; how does an organism so complex as the human brain come to be without a primordial intelligence to direct it?
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We don't know exactly how DNA formed yet, but there's no reason to invoke a god of the gaps argument just as a placeholder until we do. We did that with gravity until it was discovered, same thing with disease until it was discovered. The origin of DNA is undoubtedly a natural occurrence of the process of evolution
 
superloud

superloud

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New Age United said:
You are denying logic; there is no way to prove that any other being is conscious but do you honestly believe that you are the only conscious being; it is not rational to believe such a thing, it is in fact delusional.
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Who said that I believe I am the only conscious being? I'm just saying if you are using the fact that we are too complex to just be as a reasoning for there to be a god. Then isn't that God who created us even more complex? And if we had to be made by a higher intelligent being then doesn't that mean God has to be made by an even more higher intelligent being?
 
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superloud said:
Who said that I believe I am the only conscious being? I'm just saying if you are using the fact that we are too complex to just be as a reasoning for there to be a god. Then isn't that God who created us even more complex? And if we had to be made by a higher intelligent being then doesn't that mean God has to be made by an even more higher intelligent being?
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"I am, that I am" The Torah

What if God just is, never created or destroyed, no beginning and no end, it is a conscious and far greater intelligence at work in nature and perhaps one day it may be understood, it is really just the way of nature, probably more simple than we think really, but still the ultimate intelligence and governor of space time. It honestly seems to me that we as finite minds will never fully grasp the infinite and eternal.
 
Chester da Horse

Chester da Horse

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Here, i fixed it for you...

What if the universe just is, never created or destroyed, no beginning and no end, it is a conscious and far greater natural process at work in the universe and perhaps one day it may be understood, it is really just the way of nature, probably more simple than we think really, [strikethrough]but still the ultimate intelligence and governor of space time[/strikethrough]

It honestly seems to me that we as finite minds will never fully grasp the infinite and eternal.
 
superloud

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New Age United said:
"I am, that I am" The Torah

What if God just is, never created or destroyed, no beginning and no end, it is a conscious and far greater intelligence at work in nature and perhaps one day it may be understood, it is really just the way of nature, probably more simple than we think really, but still the ultimate intelligence and governor of space time. It honestly seems to me that we as finite minds will never fully grasp the infinite and eternal.
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I don't think we ever will grasp it. But I think Believing in an all-powerful intelligent God that created all of us just existing is just as crazy as believing we all just exist
 
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