There is more evidence of God than can be denied.

New Age United · Jun 17, 2015

Rrog said:
Google "Brain Fooled" and see the results. Hundreds of examples of what we feel is "real," actually isn't.

Yes the truth is most often counter-intuitive, but is it so easy to change our perceptions whether it is fact or fiction? The mind is stubborn.

Rrog · Jun 17, 2015

I just think it's a freakin blast that none of this is real. Only consciousness is real.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

New Age United said:
The fact that the odds against life existing are infinite (mathematical definition) and yet it does exist. Example the odds of the moon crashing into the Earth and creating the perfect balance for life to form; you can say this was a chance occurrence but when you factor in all of the other things that were required such as the mass of the earth and moon and it's proper distance from the sun then it begins to appear that there is order and reason behind it all; it's as if a higher conscious is aware and active in the universe. Can you come up with another explanation?

If space is infinite that means anything that can happen will happen. Therefor it is a mathematical certainty that not only this world exists with all of its complexities but that an infinite number of worlds just like our exist also.

Padawanbater2 · Jun 17, 2015

Rrog said:
I just think it's a freakin blast that none of this is real. Only consciousness is real.

If you take that to its next logical step, what is consciousness? Chemical and electrical impulses inside our brains

So what does "real" really even mean?

Shit gets a lot weirder when you go even further down the rabbit hole..

What are chemicals, what is electricity? Both are governed by the laws of physics.. laws that are by all intents and purposes completely arbitrary..

This is the only thing that has ever planted doubt in my mind

BDOGKush · Jun 17, 2015

So what reasoning would a creator have for creating a Universe that is almost entirely deadly to life?

Why make the exsistence of life so rare and difficult?

Why create a Universe where black holes, not life thrive?

Of course the Earth is adapted to our needs, we evolved within its perimeters. Evolution tends to adapt life to its environment.

The Universe is better designed to prevent life from forming than it is to allow life.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

BDOGKush said:
So what reasoning would a creator have for creating a Universe that is almost entirely deadly to life?

Why make the exsistence of life so rare and difficult?

Why create a Universe where black holes, not life thrive?

Of course the Earth is adapted to our needs, we evolved within its perimeters. Evolution tends to adapt life to its environment.

The Universe is better designed to prevent life from forming than it is to allow life.

How do you know?

New Age United · Jun 17, 2015

Rrog said:
I just think it's a freakin blast that none of this is real. Only consciousness is real.

Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real. What is there to support consciousness if there is nothing more. Are you believing that you are the only one in existence, which I can not possibly prove false.

Padawanbater2 · Jun 17, 2015

tightpockt said:
How do you know?

Go anywhere outside Earth and you die in seconds

BDOGKush · Jun 17, 2015

tightpockt said:
How do you know?

How do I know what? That the Universe is better designed to prevent life than allow it? Science.

New Age United · Jun 17, 2015

BDOGKush said:
So what reasoning would a creator have for creating a Universe that is almost entirely deadly to life?

Why make the exsistence of life so rare and difficult?

Why create a Universe where black holes, not life thrive?

Of course the Earth is adapted to our needs, we evolved within its perimeters. Evolution tends to adapt life to its environment.

The Universe is better designed to prevent life from forming than it is to allow life.

Perhaps it has to be this way, just as the decay of matter gives birth to new life, so to do black holes give birth to new universes. What seems improbable is the way of things.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
Go anywhere outside Earth and you die in seconds

Yeah but earth is "in" space, therefor space is hospitable to life.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

BDOGKush said:
How do I know what? That the Universe is better designed to prevent life than allow it? Science.

You said "life" was rare and difficult. You also said the universe was better designed to prevent life from forming than it is to allow life. I just want to know what basis you have for saying that. We know hardly anything about the universe and these claims seem to be the underpinning of your philosophy so I'd just like to know how you came to those conclusions.

BDOGKush · Jun 17, 2015

New Age United said:
Perhaps it has to be this way, just as the decay of matter gives birth to new life, so to do black holes give birth to new universes. What seems improbable is the way of things.

Then why are the conditions for life to form so difficult to come by? With Trillions and trillions of black holes in our universe, wouldn't life be more common if their purpose was to create new life?

Douglas Adams had a great analogy for this fine tuning arguement.

"Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, may have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise."

Padawanbater2 · Jun 17, 2015

tightpockt said:
Yeah but earth is "in" space, therefor space is hospitable to life.

Earth is not "in space", Earth occupies space. Earth is hospitable to life, space is not, why do you think we need special suits to go outside Earth?

Rrog · Jun 17, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
If you take that to its next logical step, what is consciousness? Chemical and electrical impulses inside our brains

I would say that consciousness has nothing to do with chemistry or electricity. Realism and Materialism have been proven false as physics theories.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

Padawanbater2 said:
Earth is not "in space", Earth occupies space. Earth is hospitable to life, space is not, why do you think we need special suits to go outside Earth?

Maybe I used the wrong terminology, I think we're splitting hairs. I would say the statement that "the universe isn't hospitable to life" is either false or not knowable. The fact that we're here refutes it. Obviously, I know about the vacuum of space.

New Age United · Jun 17, 2015

Rrog said:
I would say that consciousness has nothing to do with chemistry or electricity. Realism and Materialism have been proven false as physics theories.

What has been proven true as physics theories? And what is truth? I honestly want to know your thoughts.

tightpockt · Jun 17, 2015

still waiting for the "evidence"

BDOGKush · Jun 17, 2015

tightpockt said:
You said "life" was rare and difficult. You also said the universe was better designed to prevent life from forming than it is to allow life. I just want to know what basis you have for saying that. We know hardly anything about the universe and these claims seem to be the underpinning of your philosophy so I'd just like to know how you came to those conclusions.

The amount of planets that are potentially habital is very low compared to the amount of planets scientist know wouldn't be able to support life. Also the amount of time our solar system can actually support life is very low compared to age of the Universe itself. It seems life can only thrive in a very small window of time in the grand scheme of the Universe.

We're on a tiny island in space, with dwindling resources, orbiting a dying star and surrounded by potential threats that can wipe out life on our planet. Not exactly a hospitable place if you ask me.

Diabolical666 · Jun 17, 2015

New Age United said:
The fact that the odds against life existing are infinite (mathematical definition) and yet it does exist. Example the odds of the moon crashing into the Earth and creating the perfect balance for life to form; you can say this was a chance occurrence but when you factor in all of the other things that were required such as the mass of the earth and moon and it's proper distance from the sun then it begins to appear that there is order and reason behind it all; it's as if a higher conscious is aware and active in the universe. Can you come up with another explanation?

I just read your first line...
Just because you dont understand it, doesnt mean a god did it.

There is more evidence of God than can be denied.

Do you believe that a higher power and infinite intelligence is at work in the universe?

Yes

No

Uncertain

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