The UK Growers Thread!

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IC3M4L3

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sunmasters have always been good for me like, but ive always been given pals bulbs from his old grows before wen he used to do 1 bulb 1 grow, so ive no clue how many hours are on mine, no black on them so cant be that bad, but im gunna get a shps or hps as soon as i learn the diffrence
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/600w-LIGHT-W-HPS-BULB-GROW-LAMP-HYDROPONIC-600-Watt-hps-/261158805316?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cce471f44

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/600w-LIGHT-W-HPS-DUAL-SPECTRUM-BULB-LAMP-HYDROPONIC-600-Watt-hps-/261158891108?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cce486e64
 
Closetgardner

Closetgardner

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Ic3, super hps have 17% better energy efficiency and 25% more blue,violet and green light. Tho green is useless to use in the spectrum range anyway. But that's the difference mate
 
Closetgardner

Closetgardner

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I'd go for the shps probly, just for the extra light spec. Extra blue since your using it in veg and more blue in flower is meant to boost resin production.
Or even better a dual spec hps. What are you going for? i've got a brand new power plant 600w hps bulb in me loft you can have mate?
 
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IC3M4L3

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Closetgardner said:
I'd go for the shps probly, just for the extra light spec. Extra blue since your using it in veg and more blue in flower is meant to boost resin production.
Or even better a dual spec hps
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yhe that was wat i meant sorry dual spec or shps, sorry should have mentiones that i was talking about dual spec hps
 
Closetgardner

Closetgardner

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I assume dual spec would have a better overall coverage of the full spectrum than a super hps. A shps will have a boost in certain light colors, where a dual spec will be better overall. Imo anyway
 
drgrowshit

drgrowshit

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think its coz my propegator has a heat mat built in to lol,na yir cuts fine, closetg,sounds gay ha ha,lol never got it from bill,its starting to pre flower and smell and like it to get the heat out my room lol
 
Closetgardner

Closetgardner

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drgrowshit said:
think its coz my propegator has a heat mat built in to lol,na yir cuts fine, closetg,sounds gay ha ha,lol never got it from bill,its starting to pre flower and smell and like it to get the heat out my room lol
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haha fucker!!! who put a coin in you?lol sounds better than cupboard gardner lol. They heated props are a pain. Did you have a little tub of water sitting in there when you had it plugged in?. I don't plug mine in for fear of frying cuts lol
 
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IC3M4L3

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i think for this grow il get the dual spec, for next oneil get a 600mh and 600 red spec,, swap em out wen flip time comes, if i dinet have seedlings id buy red spec but i have so its tough lol

so the seedlings are about 5 inches below the hood (air cooled) just waiting for em to start producing beanches n shit then il move the physco closer,got em at a disatnce to keep em small,, kept em on starter nutes too,, trying to keep em all at same size, but ther nice and recovered now, il sort sum pics otu later guys

YO closet cum on msn if ya want i got a a lil bit of spare time fancy a chat?
 
Closetgardner

Closetgardner

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What's the point in that mate? you'd be better sticking with the red/blue spec coming from one bulb instead of two man. Or if you want to run 2 x 600's run 2 dual spec. Wouldn't it work out kinda the same?
Cool man, be on in 2
 
The Yorkshireman

The Yorkshireman

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W Dragon said:
The book certainly isn't closed mate,
You spent 3 weeks trawling the internet and that's the evidence you come up with to prove serious seeds changed their parent stock???
Reaching would be an understatement mate, that poor looking little plant above could be anything and taking the word of a breeder that would openly admit to using a pheno that poor leaves little to be believed.
pheno's and how they taste are down to how the person sampling them describes it like simon from serious seeds said, you should know yourself that we could all grow out the same cut in our different rooms and the likely hood of them all looking identical is slim to none and slim has left the building!
Will the majority of them look the same yes but all of them? NO
Also just to throw it out there mate the strain your talking about has quiet a parentage behind it and they are all CROSSES! the colour could come from anywhere and the pheno's coming from the seed stock will have the potential to produce hundreds if not thousands of different pheno types unless heavily worked, AK47 has many pheno's with colour in them and it doesn't mean anything.
The write up and the pictures are all good and well mate but I don't see any proof that serious seeds changed their stock i.e strains as that's what it would mean, sooooooooooo where's the evidence mate because that above certainly isn't it, "cherry" strains being used and a dodgy pheno means nothing and if that's all you got for 3 weeks investigation, well like I said mate that's not evidence of anything.
If you do find something concrete put it up I'd like to have a look before I go spending £60 on a pack mate
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Right, I've had to roll my sleeves up for this......

Firstly I didn't go searching for proof of Serious changing the line I went searching for proof of the 'Cherry AK', which I found.
I condensed the information for the benefit, you're quite welcome to search the Overgrow.com archive on it's own (regardless of the commercial net) but I hope you realise how big it is.

Take the word of a breeder? Poor little pheno? Dodgy? Could be anything? (that one tickles me)
You obviously aren't familiar with who Dr CandyMan is and I don't really expect you to but he is very respected in the underground breeding world, the guy grew several hundred outdoor plants at a time for several years. But that aside please tell me where in this picture you think the plant looks abused.....

Dr CandyMan's 'Cherry AK'..jpg

It has a very slight calcium deficiency in the areas marked in black but then the plant is outdoors, other than that the plant is a picture of health.
I can only assume you you are looking at the leaf in the red area but judging buy the health of the rest of the plant we can see I'm sceptical if it's attached to or even from that plant. Please feel free to mark out any other areas you have problems with because I surely must be blind not to see them.

Your Ad Hominem attack on the health of the plant does not discredit the validity of the claim and besides that the picture in question is 1 bud from 1 plant, that particular plant could have been flowered just to pollinate for seeds. We don't know so we don't speculate but the fact that the plant exists stands, I gave photo evidence of what is the cherry pheno of 'AK47' from a man who was growing hundreds of plants at the time.
On the flip side to your comments on the plants health if you would like to inspect the grow rooms of 'Serious Seeds' they are in an interview with Simon on Ludacris's 'The Red Light District' DVD and here in the 'Blueberry Yum Yum' video, the plants are far from prime specimens or well tended to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QxJbQvknaW8


"how they taste are down to how the person sampling them describes it like simon from serious seeds said, you should know yourself that we could all grow out the same cut in our different rooms and the likely hood of them all looking identical is slim to none and slim has left the building!":- This is also illogical, since when has taste been related to colour? You can't change the conclusion to fit the premiss, since I established in beginning the cherry pheno name HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TASTE your argument doesn't stand.

"Also just to throw it out there mate the strain your talking about has quiet a parentage behind it and they are all CROSSES! the colour could come from anywhere and the pheno's coming from the seed stock will have the potential to produce hundreds if not thousands of different pheno types unless heavily worked":- Actually no you misunderstand, seed stock doesn't have the potential to throw out hundreds of different phenos (taking environmental influences out of the equation). The number of phenos is much, much smaller but some genetic pheno expressions don't pop up as much as others.The reason why the cherry AK is that colour is because of the genetic inheritance of certain pigments, the presence of these pigments make selective breeding quite easy and a hell of a lot easier than selecting for taste (don't even get me started on the 'Pineapple' pheno of C99).....

"Other than green, purple is the most common color in living marijuana. Triggered by seasonal temperature changes (just as trees change colour in the fall), the vibrant hues of the mature pot plant are also the result of genetics and the creativity of the cultivator or breeder.
Indoors and outdoors, color can be influenced by deficiencies as well as by temperature. The intense green of chlorophyll usually overpowers other colors, such as red, orange and the coveted purple. Chlorophyll tends to break down late in the season, and a pigment known as anthocyanin is unmasked and allowed to show through.
For purple colour to develop upon maturation, a strain must have the genetic potential to produce anthocyanin pigments. However, the colour might never be shown if environmental conditions don’t cause chlorophyll breakdown. Colombian and Hindu Kush strains tend to develop purple coloration when subjected to low night temperatures during the end of their life cycles. Purple Orangutan, originally from Afghanistan with heavy traits of the Hindu Kush, produces some of the darkest purple and blue tones found in any marijuana strain.
Another pigment called carotenoid is largely responsible for the yellow, orange, red and brown colors of marijuana. These colours begin to show in the leaves and calyxes of certain strains as the green chlorophyll colour fades. Gold strains reveal underlying yellow and orange pigments as they mature. Red strains are usually closer to reddish brown in colour, though certain carotenoid and anthocyanin pigments are nearly red, and streaks of these colours occasionally appear in the petioles (the slender stems supporting the leaflets) in ripe flowers. The red colour in pressed, low-grade tops often consists of masses of reddish-brown dried pistils." ~ High Times article.

To come with statements like those in a thread frequented by some folk who know a thing or two just makes you look foolish and that that you don't have a clue what you're taking about mate, if you stand by those statement's then I think you'd best tell Don that he's tripping because these 'Smelly Cherry' seeds here....

Smelly Cherry F3's.jpg

....aren't all jet black and he hasn't got around 80-85% of them to go purple in 4 generations and his F3 male stud hasn't made the Lemon's buds go purple in a first cross (my plant as proof), when I S1 it I'll let you know how that get's on turning it's offspring purple.
There are a couple of people here that now have access to a clone of that purple plant I grew, ask any one of them what colour the calyx/pre-flowers are even in veg and I'll tell you they'll say pink/purple if I haven't mixed the cuts up.
We call the Cherry AK a pheno but actually it's a particular genotype of AK making gene transferral to offspring guaranteed with a dominant allele.

I don't have any "proof" of serious changing their P1's (all it would take is to use a sister of the original mother to make the next batch of F1's and you wouldn't know) just like I don't have any 'proof' what really happened to the twin towers on sept 11, I do know that if you grow out a couple of hundred AK47's you won't find the cherry any more just like I know the twin towers didn't collapse due to jet fuel fire! Just like I can look out of the widow in the morning and see snow on the ground, I don't need to have actually seen the snow fall to know that it has.

When 2 separate breeders of distinction (CandyMan and Heath, not to mention others) both grow out enough AK47's to find the plant in question and can probably give you an informed insight into the ratio of said plant within the seed numbers say that the cherry isn't there any more then you have to take their word for it unless you have the ability to grow out enough to call them on it? Leaving the only logical explanation to be that the stock used isn't the same, it can't possibly be.

"If you do find something concrete put it up I'd like to have a look before I go spending £60 on a pack mate":- Frankly I don't need to find anything concrete, it's good enough for me. I don't care where you spend your money or if you believe me, you are quite welcome to spend your pennies where you like and let yourself be labelled a 'dumb consumer' by the commercial seed industry (Greenhouse thrive on it).

I could go on to state that it's highly unlikely Mr Nice's strains are what they are said to be either, since Shanty got busted in Switzerland several years ago for "bringing into Switzerland plants that could be used to produce a controlled substance" (leading to a 4 year custodial sentence) his library of genetics were seized hence him only working on 'CBD Crew' strains since his release but you would probably want the evidence sheets from the Swiss police to prove the Widow seeds that Seedsman Seeds sell are very old stock if legit at all.
The majority of the commercial seed industry is fucking bunk and isn't worth 60 sheets a pack in a month of Sunday's, I can list numerous underground breeders that have done more to push selective breeding forward in the last 10 years than the entire Netherlands has since Shanti and the white family!

The only speculation here is from you mate. I on the other hand don't take anything on face value or with presumption so I had to find out if the cherry really exists for myself and I've presented the evidence as well as educated information that the same plant isn't to be found any more, take it or leave it.
 
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