the smelly male

after i get as much pollen as i want off the males. they go in to a other room "the

torture chamber" were i can see which ones are the strongest.. drought resistant,

high temp, high humidity for mold resistance, and bugs lots of bugs..just something

that mite helps with picking the best male.

hehe the torture room.. (its good idea as it ill help force them to show any signs of hermaphoroditism if its there and you can make an assumtion on how strong of a female or male you have then too for example)

my methods vary i sometimes do the same really, other times i just stress them at intervals to make sure i got a real fem for example.. oh im mainly talking outdoors here (often enough they get enough stress anyway especially peak summer and winter).

if im feeling kind which i normally am i cater to there every need like there own personal little bitch lol j.j... im just hard on my plants i intend to breed with normally..

oh yeah the females get it too..last year i tossed out some beans right befor winter

to see which ones whould make it..i ended with one that grew like it was spring

time. i also noticed that it had really short internodes and did very well under

low light...going to make some F2's with him. and come winter do the same.

trying to make a plant that will grow well in my climate..also want to do the

same in the summer. as it gets hotter then the devils dick out here..

same as where im from really cold winters hot summers... though growing in winter is still very much applicavble where i live .

in this "gareners botany" book i was reading. it was saying that if you put your seeds

in the frezzer befor you grem them it will help bring out genes that will help with cold

climates.. or that you can put them in the oven on set temps for hot climates.

was thinking of trying this soon..

umm nt sure about that though it makes sense... this is aso something that would have to be done over time id say.... not just once off all i see happening is possibly lowering your germination numbers.. it will however help you pick which seeds got the stronger genetics and possibly this trait will pass on.

but this one i know really helps.
if you expose your beans to colder temps say a fridge for a little before you germinate it can boost germination rates as the beans feel like they have been through there winter dormant period.

sorry if this makes no sense i lost myself lol

Jester - I actually meant a few weeks into veg. Maybe it is an autoflower strain but thats not what I was told. You dont think its a good choice for a male? It has the most smell by far but not a huge distribution of pollen sacs. If you were to choose plant smell versus pollen sac production which would you say is more important for overall quality?

most male plants will put out pollen in veg. just not alot...if it smells really good,

clone and flower him to see how much pollen he makes in flower..if he puts out a

goodamount then you wont have to worry about which trait to pick for..you can

even keep him and backcross to him untill you get that smell trait from him. at the

sametime work on the pollen production..

MEANGREEN69 said:

most male plants will put out pollen in veg. just not alot...if it smells really good,

clone and flower him to see how much pollen he makes in flower..if he puts out a

goodamount then you wont have to worry about which trait to pick for..you can

even keep him and backcross to him untill you get that smell trait from him. at the

sametime work on the pollen production..

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my males dont put out pollen in veg... i believe your talking perhaps of a preflower breaking.. yes this can happen but the damage is minimal and its normally at most only a few. i stay away from any autoflowering traits as to me this is indicating autoflowering traits and ass far as i know there hasnt been a good stable (strong) autoflowering strain yet... meaning they are made with ruderalis genetics and are unstable i am unaware of any strains were selected ver many years for there early flowering abilities and constant strong stable plants. this would take to long afterall the ruderalis is a by product of a plant hiding out escaping eradication over time and its very unstable

hymem said:

Jester - I actually meant a few weeks into veg. Maybe it is an autoflower strain but thats not what I was told. You dont think its a good choice for a male? It has the most smell by far but not a huge distribution of pollen sacs. If you were to choose plant smell versus pollen sac production which would you say is more important for overall quality?

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so its getting clusters of balls and the light schedule isnt in flower... meaning its starting to flower in veg??

umm if its autoflowering i would get rid of it personally because as ive said before its a trait im not really too keen on... the plants are sposed to change on photoperiod as far as im concerned. do a brief look on ruderalis. sorry im not going to give an in debth as i usually would as im very medicated and it would all just get confusing.

but to answer your question
i go for smell and pollen sack production... i also like to see nice tight clusters with nice (not necisarrily big or huge) pollen sacks. you know just an all round nice plant.. if your plants doing this wierd shit i wouldnt use it. i mean its not even just flowering faster than the rest (if it was in flower id say it could possibly be a different strain or lead more to a certain parents side of the genepool per se' and flowered faster than the rest).

i make sure theres no autoflowering or ruderalis traits i my males and females... also hermies. if i think it was hermie it will never be looked at seriously again. (except rhodelized and maybe on the side of a hill but then id stress and try find true females as well).. the hermy trait can be bread out but its hard and may pop up later if you dont make the right decisionss and are unlucky..

id wait and see what elso mother nature decided to hand u first bro but you could alsways collect and store the pollen or preserve the plant as previously mentioned just in case

yeah i guess they are preflowers breaking.. most of my males always have 3 to 4 pollen sack on the nodes in veg...i still spray them with water every day just i case..

MEANGREEN69 said:

most male plants will put out pollen in veg. just not alot...if it smells really good,

clone and flower him to see how much pollen he makes in flower..if he puts out a

goodamount then you wont have to worry about which trait to pick for..you can

even keep him and backcross to him untill you get that smell trait from him. at the

sametime work on the pollen production..

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Great post!

Every male I've ever grown will produce male preflowers in veg just as a female will. They don't really continue growing so much as to produce large amounts of pollen though I don't think, but more like just forming the anatomy so that it's there when the time is right to use it. But if they do pop with viable pollen then it would be very minimal amounts as it's usually 4 per node like MeanGreen said. And as long as it's with females in veg then the worst outcome is pollinated female preflowers, which might just be a good thing!

yeah i can get 100 or more seeds from a big mamas perflowers if i let a male drop his pollen. it helps speed up the breeding for sure