The Scrog Club

Integra21 said:

Not a problem, these posts are from the previous page. Hope this helps.

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Thanks integra. So you really see an increased yield as opposed to growing with other techniques such as FIM, LST or other "advanced" techniques (or just growing the plant straight up without topping or other growth manipulation mechanisms for that matter)?

Beansly said:

Thanks integra. So you really see an increased yield as opposed to growing with other techniques such as FIM, LST or other "advanced" techniques (or just growing the plant straight up without topping or other growth manipulation mechanisms for that matter)?

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The main advantage to a scrog, imo, is being able to control the size of the plants. I have a scrog in a cabinet that is only 30" tall. Integra's grow room is in some kind of small area under some stairs, if I remember correctly. You can get similar results with lst, but I think scrog is a better way to do it. Also, scrog avoids alot of wasted space in the canopy. If you look at people's normal grows there is alot of empty room around their main stems, if you look at a good scrog there is nothing but colas, and no wasted space. Hope that helps.
Beansly, I see your in vegas too, I just saw on the news the feds raided all of the medical dispensaries around town last nite. Hope that doesn't affect you.

Hey integra I got a question for ya. So I've been gathering parts here for my new setup and I was wondering: how do you do your cloning? Rooting gel dip then into those foam discs then what? Thanks!!!

tony42086 said:

Hey integra I got a question for ya. So I've been gathering parts here for my new setup and I was wondering: how do you do your cloning? Rooting gel dip then into those foam discs then what? Thanks!!!

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I made mini versions of my hydro tubs that hold 2 gal of water, 2 5.5" air discs, and 8 of my 3.5" net pots. I just put 1tsp of Clonex solution into the res, take a cutting, dip it in root tech cloning gel(cause I have a ton laying around) and then just put them in a neoprene disc and into the pots. I make sure the water level is high enough in the tub that 1/3-1/2 of the stem is submerged. I haddnt seen anyone else do it, but its DWC cloning. I usuallt have roots in 7-15 days.

mrboots said:

The main advantage to a scrog, imo, is being able to control the size of the plants. I have a scrog in a cabinet that is only 30" tall. Integra's grow room is in some kind of small area under some stairs, if I remember correctly. You can get similar results with lst, but I think scrog is a better way to do it. Also, scrog avoids alot of wasted space in the canopy. If you look at people's normal grows there is alot of empty room around their main stems, if you look at a good scrog there is nothing but colas, and no wasted space. Hope that helps.
Beansly, I see your in vegas too, I just saw on the news the feds raided all of the medical dispensaries around town last nite. Hope that doesn't affect you.

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Thanks for the concern mboots, unfortunately getting a med card in las vegas is harder than in cali. Here, you actually have to have something wrong with you lol. I think the most vague thing they give cards for here is "chronic pain". They dont give cards for psych problems yet or "sleeplessness" lol. Its still a little expensive, but im gonna try anyways. Ive been shot in the leg with a .45 and I truly think I have a mild case of undiagnosed depression/anxiety, and also i really do have trouble sleeping, still not enough here. The way theyre treating CC's here in vegas anyways is scary so Im kinda glad im not on the grid yet.
Thanks for the scrog info too.

Here is a shot of my little T5 scrog 5 weeks into flowering.

bigv1976 said:

Here is a shot of my little T5 scrog 5 weeks into flowering.

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Nice scrog. Those buds look nice and frosty and there pretty big for t5's. Good work man, keep it up.

Thanks bro!! I really appreciate that.

def looks bomb for t5s. props to u bro i never see a solid grow with t5s. let us know how the nugs turn out tho

For sure!! I will be cutting most of the tops off in 2-3 weeks but the buds are stacked up like crazy so I am gonna do 2 harvests. Colas in 2-3 weeks and then give the rest of the buds a couple more weeks. Each light has a place and I have found out that a T5 will choke the shit out of a SCROG. I am a scrog guy anyway and love trying to get big yields from my little tent. The screen is 2x3 and I expect 8 oz. +. using just over 300 watts of gentle relatively cool light. The screen is flat and so is the light and I am not setting up turbine motors to cool my tent. It works for me.

Well my plants are a little over 4 weeks into flowering and I have to say that I'll be satisfied either way with this grow, especially being my first. They seem to be recovering from the nute burn problem. I stopped using my recipe for success kit and flushed really good with water. Now today I just started feeding Fox Farm nutes so I am excited to see how they react to that.

I think my next grow I am going to try 6 plants of all the same kind of weed under the screen and see how that works out. I would like to switch to a DWC under the scrog but I don't think I can afford that for a bit now since I just purchased my 1000 watt light. I also got a duct ran to the outdoors for the intake so my plants are stay at really good temps. 68 at night up to about 80 in the day.

Enjoy the pics.

What mix were you using with the Technaflora set? And what was your feed schedule like. As you could see from my formula above for it, I use a slightly modified 1gal formula in a 5gal bucket. And even with those low ppms, You should feed, water, and alternate like that.

I was just following the sheet they gave me and mix according to the flowering directions. I was feeding every other watering and I water twice a week so they were being fed once a week. Every time I gave the plants some nutes it looked like they were getting burned. I am hoping just using the 3 part fox farm mix will fix the problem. I used them on one of my bag seed grows that I did like 3 years ago and never had any kind of problems like I am having now. The plants just looked green and healthy the whole time. It thought I would try the technaflora nutes because I got them for free from one of their booths at a music fest this summer. I am thinking about getting the fox farm solubles to add to what fox farm nutes I do have for my next grow.

Other than the nute burn marks on the plants how do you think they look for 4 weeks into flower? I am hoping to get at least a qp from this. I am sure things wikll go a lot smoother my next run and I am looking forward to it.

BlueFossil said:

I was just following the sheet they gave me and mix according to the flowering directions. I was feeding every other watering and I water twice a week so they were being fed once a week. Every time I gave the plants some nutes it looked like they were getting burned. I am hoping just using the 3 part fox farm mix will fix the problem. I used them on one of my bag seed grows that I did like 3 years ago and never had any kind of problems like I am having now. The plants just looked green and healthy the whole time. It thought I would try the technaflora nutes because I got them for free from one of their booths at a music fest this summer. I am thinking about getting the fox farm solubles to add to what fox farm nutes I do have for my next grow.

Other than the nute burn marks on the plants how do you think they look for 4 weeks into flower? I am hoping to get at least a qp from this. I am sure things wikll go a lot smoother my next run and I am looking forward to it.

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I have burned plenty of plants myself, all part of figuring out how to read your plants. They should still yield pretty good as long as you fixed the problem. But you will definetly burn your plants like crazy if you were using the mix at the full strength on their mix chart. A general rule of thumb with any nutrient you use 1/3-1/2 the recommended strength and see how your plants respond. It is a lot easier for a plant to recover from a lack of nutrients than a burn. I currently use the same nutrients, but at a little less than 1/5 strength right at 300ppm and am having fantastic results. They really are great nutrients, and the high strenght of them really makes them last a noticable ammount longer.

Madonna Day 23 of 12/12(left side)& Hericules Day 9 of 12/12(right side)
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RH: 40%
co2 ppm:1500
ResTemp: 68-72F
Ph:5.4-6.7
ppm:180-350
ResChange:Every 24hrs.(daily)

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And here is a final shot of the seed stash

Hey looking good integra. Quite the selection of seeds btw. So I finally got the BC nutes on my setup now and I've upgrade my 250 to 400. Everything's looking good so far. I guess I waited too long on when to flower, but oh well. Lesson learned. They have been flowering for 6 days but you can't really tell. I was using general hydroponics nute formula for the transition to bloom for too long(maybe not having the extra bloom ferts. slowed it down, IDK?). Finally changed it out with the BC nutes for flowering. Everything's looks healthy so far. Looks promising. Thanks again for the pointers integra.

Hey guys,

I'm trying the scrog method for the first time. I did not top or fim my plants and they are pure indica so they are getting bushy. The screen was placed on them about 1.5 weeks ago and today is 4 weeks since seed. I'm having a few problems manipulating through the scrog as the fan leaves are massive on most of them. I would say 12 inches long or more. And because I upgraded my light the stems are very thick already. The tops are about 6 inches above the screen but I feel like I would have to break them to get them to bend under the screen... Also I'm not sure how full I should let the screen get before I flip them.

tony42086 said:

Hey looking good integra. Quite the selection of seeds btw. So I finally got the BC nutes on my setup now and I've upgrade my 250 to 400. Everything's looking good so far. I guess I waited too long on when to flower, but oh well. Lesson learned. They have been flowering for 6 days but you can't really tell. I was using general hydroponics nute formula for the transition to bloom for too long(maybe not having the extra bloom ferts. slowed it down, IDK?). Finally changed it out with the BC nutes for flowering. Everything's looks healthy so far. Looks promising. Thanks again for the pointers integra.

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Sweet. They look like they are doing good. Glad I could help, hope the harvest is sweet, looks like it could be.

DankBudzzz said:

Hey guys,

I'm trying the scrog method for the first time. I did not top or fim my plants and they are pure indica so they are getting bushy. The screen was placed on them about 1.5 weeks ago and today is 4 weeks since seed. I'm having a few problems manipulating through the scrog as the fan leaves are massive on most of them. I would say 12 inches long or more. And because I upgraded my light the stems are very thick already. The tops are about 6 inches above the screen but I feel like I would have to break them to get them to bend under the screen... Also I'm not sure how full I should let the screen get before I flip them.

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If you can move them without breaking branches, it is better to leave them. But if you can move them it would be better. They should still be soft enough if you havent flowered yet to pull it off. You might have to raise the screen up or something to do so. When my branches get too tall, I grab them from underneat and gently curve them down and to the side and can usually move the most stubborn of branches by taking my time and being careful. Practicing how to do this will help you out a lot later on in future grows. With indica dom plants, usually ahout 50% full will do the trick, but it varies still from strain to strain. The only way to find out how much they'll stretch is to flower them.

alright another week has gone by and that puts me just a little bit closer to my first harvest. I am starting to get excited. Next week will probably be my last week of nutes, depending on how they look. I started giving them some molasses at the rate of 1tsp per gallon and the buds have already shown improvement. I also built an aero/bubble cloner a couple days ago, and I plan on getting some clones in it as soon as possible so I have some rooted clones to go under the screen the week after I take down the plants.

I think I am gonna go hydro on my next grow and see how it runs. I don't really have the money for it, but if I don't do it now that is another 3 months or so before I'll be able to. So I would like to do bubbleponics in dwc. It seems the easiest way to go. I believe I am gonna get 2 large totes that can hold about 3 plants a piece. So that'll give me a total of 6 plants under my 4'x5' screen.

Integra- Do you have any problems with your totes over heating. I was thinking of doing coolers as my res, but totes are much cheaper and would rather do that if I don't have to use the coolers. I also want to make sure my totes are not too big as I don't want to have to fill it up with too much water. So I am still kind of brainstorming what exactly I should do.

But here are some pics of my buds.

Looks nice!