The Ruiner Responds to J. David Nick

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Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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The Ruiner said:
My absolute favorite part of that bullshit letter is where this fucker says 'I can easily picture defending someone with 200 lbs.'

Shame on:
Pisses me off to see the Libertarian Party...may have to rethink my orientation...
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Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.
 
Greather420

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As far as the high school kids statement goes.....I was being sarcastic; I guess that's hard to show through words alone. I was basically trying to point out how ridiculous it is to argue AGAINST prop 19 and use not being able to sell to people under age 21 as a reason to argue that way. But hey, everyone's got a right to their own opinion.....don't they?
 
TokinPodPilot

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Greather420 said:
As far as the high school kids statement goes.....I was being sarcastic; I guess that's hard to show through words alone. I was basically trying to point out how ridiculous it is to argue AGAINST prop 19 and use not being able to sell to people under age 21 as a reason to argue that way. But hey, everyone's got a right to their own opinion.....don't they?
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No one said anything about selling. That's the obsession of you and your fellow proponents. I said you are willing to criminalize adults under the age of 21 for the sake of your sense of safety. You can rationalize it any way you need to, but there are adults who do not go to jail now for possession that will should Prop. 19 pass.
 
veggiegardener

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Dan Kone said:
Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.
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Agreed. Strange bedfellows.

Apparently, they don't understand 19, either.

NO on 19. It isn't what is seems to be.
 
budling357

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veggiegardener said:
Agreed. Strange bedfellows.

Apparently, they don't understand 19, either.

NO on 19. It isn't what is seems to be.
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If its not what it seems to be, what is it? Some facts please, not just rambling of opinion.

Face value is the legalization of marijuana. Anything else is speculation.
 
budling357

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My wife and I wont be able to grow ten pounds for our personal consuption. Wah wah wah.

(That was me pretending to be Mr. NO on 19)
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Dan Kone said:
Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.
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Dan...I dont really care about how you look to twist things anymore. I can shame whoever the fuck I want to, including you. I personally am tired of all the bullshit and have come to terms with the realities. I think its a horrible idea, and I think the people supporting are horrible people....yes, I said that - I don't fucking care anymore. Stay away from me then, because I can assure you that I will have absolutely nothing nice to say. Until November, and I hope to god that this fails, I might be nicer if that happens. I hope that all these people that have been pushing this piece of shit, with "collectives" like yours, go down in flames, or out in handcuffs. Its fucking criminal what certain elements within the MJ community are willing to do for money, and I hope that someday very fucking soon you will be forced to pay the karmic price for your evil intentions. If you dont like what I say, ignore me. Go the fuck away, forever I hope, when this thing fails.

I could tolerate taking the rap for "losing out" on 19 - that I could totally live with for the rest of my life.

What I couldn't live with is knowing that I was responsible for ruining (at least) tens of thousands of lives out of avarice.

And for the record A-hole, you and steve cooley say the same thing about 19...."it wont affect medical marijuana." I have learnt well enough not to trust Cooley, and thats enough for me not to trust you.
 
budling357

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The Ruiner said:
Dan...I dont really care about how you look to twist things anymore. I can shame whoever the fuck I want to, including you. I personally am tired of all the bullshit and have come to terms with the realities. I think its a horrible idea, and I think the people supporting are horrible people....yes, I said that - I don't fucking care anymore. Stay away from me then, because I can assure you that I will have absolutely nothing nice to say. Until November, and I hope to god that this fails, I might be nicer if that happens. I hope that all these people that have been pushing this piece of shit, with "collectives" like yours, go down in flames, or out in handcuffs. Its fucking criminal what certain elements within the MJ community are willing to do for money, and I hope that someday very fucking soon you will be forced to pay the karmic price for your evil intentions. If you dont like what I say, ignore me. Go the fuck away, forever I hope, when this thing fails.

I could tolerate taking the rap for "losing out" on 19 - that I could totally live with for the rest of my life.

What I couldn't live with is knowing that I was responsible for ruining (at least) tens of thousands of lives out of avarice.

And for the record A-hole, you and steve cooley say the same thing about 19...."it wont affect medical marijuana." I have learnt well enough not to trust Cooley, and thats enough for me not to trust you.
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I bet you voted for Obama. All in in the beginning, but run at the first sign of failure.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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The Ruiner said:
My absolute favorite part of that bullshit letter is where this fucker says 'I can easily picture defending someone with 200 lbs.'

Shame on:
Pisses me off to see the Libertarian Party...may have to rethink my orientation...
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You are missing a lot of other supporters and groups, including many retired sheriffs, judges, and feds. Even NORML and Ed Rosenthal are for this law. Am I to believe you are smarter than them? I believe that all of your arguments are based in fear of losing 215 rights. consider this, even if your card was cheap and easy to obtain, there are those that are healthy that will not toss their morals in the trash to take advantage of compassionate use laws. To them, 19 offers an expansion from a zero sq foot garden to a 25 square foot one. It also decriminalizes possession of up to an oz.

19 is not written to supersede 215. It is written for those that take take advantage of 215. All others opposed to 19 have personal and financial reasons to be so.
 
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