Roseman
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you are probably not old enough to remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRNRVe0kgC0 < THUNK by Jefferson Airplane
The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering
- Thread starter Uncle Ben
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRNRVe0kgC0 < THUNK by Jefferson Airplane
Stgeneziz
Active Member
Never done me no good.....
MostlyCrazy
New Member
I use my plants to calm my ass down so I can think! No couch lock needed just that mellow fellow feel. LOL!
Peace is what I seek!
Peace is what I seek!
KingCobra40z
Member
I recently read a benefit for allowing leaves to yellow during flowing that I hadn't read before. It comes from the following book: http://www.amazon.com/How-Grow-Marijuana-Indoors-Medicinal/dp/0930180151/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261859801&sr=8-1
Q. Will trimming off the large shade leaves allow more light to reach the lower buds and make them larger?
A. The argument sounds good but it takes more than light to produce growth. The large leaves which formed when the plant was in a vegetative state contain plant sugars which are reabsorbed when the leaves wither and die in the later bloom cycle. Bloom fertilizers usually contain low levels of nitrogen. With the absence of nitrogen the fan leaves will start dying and falling off on their own by mid blooms. This is the best of both worlds. It allows more light to reach the lower buds and allows the plant to recover some of the energy it devoted to growing the shade leaves.
Q. Will trimming off the large shade leaves allow more light to reach the lower buds and make them larger?
A. The argument sounds good but it takes more than light to produce growth. The large leaves which formed when the plant was in a vegetative state contain plant sugars which are reabsorbed when the leaves wither and die in the later bloom cycle. Bloom fertilizers usually contain low levels of nitrogen. With the absence of nitrogen the fan leaves will start dying and falling off on their own by mid blooms. This is the best of both worlds. It allows more light to reach the lower buds and allows the plant to recover some of the energy it devoted to growing the shade leaves.
MostlyCrazy
New Member
I don't remove a leaf until it falls off on it's own. That way you get all it had to give to the grow. Instead of cutting the fan leaves you can also tuck them below the bud you want to encourage.
MostlyCrazy
New Member
Trying to keep them green by not lowering the grow nutes this grow and so far so good. A little concerned that it may delay budding but it's too early to tell yet. NO leaf loss so far in the transition and that's very unusual for me.
businessmen
Active Member
Ive always been one to keep my leaves green as well. I think its easier in soil, I dont feed any N during bloom, other then small amounts in my micro blend, and this time using some molasses. But theres enough in the soil, and the plant to make it thru without yellow leaves. I dont need them dark army green, but I understand that sunleaves give the plant its energy to grow buds.
My fear of giving more N during bloom is that excess would certainly decrease its flowering. So I "give it what it needs", and it doesnt need any more N, cus it stays green... Its more difficult to tell how much P-K they need. IMO you dont see they need more till they are very deficient. So I wanna make sure they have plenty.
I also would like to point out the fact that everyone gets so caught up in the numbers of the NPK, but its the ratio thats more important. A 10-50-10 is the same as a 1-5-1, its how much and often you use it. And also what form of N and how available the nutrients are.
I use fish emulsion 5-1-1 during veg and a bit off micros, and 0-10-10 during bloom. This growt Im using bat guano 0.5-12-0.2 early bloom and a bit of molasses at veg and bloom. Also I mix a bit of 5-5-5 into the soil before planting.
I like organics for a few reasons, but my fear in potting soil is that they might not be readily available to plants like chems are. In native soil, microbes break them down and turn them into usable plant food. But potting soil Im not so sure. Potting soil is mostly wood and peat, things that microbes would also have to break down to turn into plant food.... Its the whole nitrogen/carbon cycle...
My fear of giving more N during bloom is that excess would certainly decrease its flowering. So I "give it what it needs", and it doesnt need any more N, cus it stays green... Its more difficult to tell how much P-K they need. IMO you dont see they need more till they are very deficient. So I wanna make sure they have plenty.
I also would like to point out the fact that everyone gets so caught up in the numbers of the NPK, but its the ratio thats more important. A 10-50-10 is the same as a 1-5-1, its how much and often you use it. And also what form of N and how available the nutrients are.
I use fish emulsion 5-1-1 during veg and a bit off micros, and 0-10-10 during bloom. This growt Im using bat guano 0.5-12-0.2 early bloom and a bit of molasses at veg and bloom. Also I mix a bit of 5-5-5 into the soil before planting.
I like organics for a few reasons, but my fear in potting soil is that they might not be readily available to plants like chems are. In native soil, microbes break them down and turn them into usable plant food. But potting soil Im not so sure. Potting soil is mostly wood and peat, things that microbes would also have to break down to turn into plant food.... Its the whole nitrogen/carbon cycle...
MostlyCrazy
New Member
Thinking along the same lines as you Businessmen. I'm in learn mode as this is my first time pushing N in bloom. In hydro things happen faster as you know. Res change is like the reseet button to a point.
I do have a question. I have a sample bottle of Bontanicare Sweet (8 oz) and I was planning on using it for weeks 4-6 on this flower (that will use that bottle up). Says it helps with transporation and helps keep the N in the res available. I'm thinking of keeping my micro high, adding the sweet and see what happens as far as plant health. Good idea or bad?
I do have a question. I have a sample bottle of Bontanicare Sweet (8 oz) and I was planning on using it for weeks 4-6 on this flower (that will use that bottle up). Says it helps with transporation and helps keep the N in the res available. I'm thinking of keeping my micro high, adding the sweet and see what happens as far as plant health. Good idea or bad?
thewinghunter
Active Member
Uncle Ben just curious, i have 2 plants that are beuaitful full buds but not very tall and not getting any taller... i had a yellowing plant that i decided to up the N for the hell of it, and all of a suddent bud tripled. So even tho in flower they need the N still it seems? so should i up the N on the nice green dense bud that just never got tall? to see if that wuld stimulate a huge bud?
just curious, bc otherwise those 2 look beautiful just not as high as the other plants I have. actually rather short
just curious, bc otherwise those 2 look beautiful just not as high as the other plants I have. actually rather short
wyteboi
Well-Known Member
im not so sure of that anymore, i did way better before all this "stuff" started in my head , i have thoughts, i wonder about stuff sometimes and other crazy things going on in my brain that i dont understand.
My buddy bubbles told me it was normal and its called "Thinking, stuff that your brain has never done before"
so im not sure i like this "thinking" thing
Merry Christmas and Happy new year all!!
wb
murtymaker
Well-Known Member
I'm using Advanced Nutrients, I see they have a SensiCalMg for the bloom phase. Is this what I should add to my base and additive collection? This product if used right will leave my plants green throughout the bloom cycle? Thanks.
http://www.advancednutrients.com/landing_pages/sensi_cal_bloom_landing.html
http://www.advancednutrients.com/landing_pages/sensi_cal_bloom_landing.html
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
Yes
Maintaining leaves, which drive bud development, seems to be a foreign concept in forums. Wean yourself off the bloom foods and learn what makes a plant tick.
Good luck,
UB
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
Looks like it will leave your pocketbook lighter as well as your leaves' color. Being that it has the buzzword "sensi" in it, it's gotta be good.
UB
rips run
Member
u ben ,i am running a 6 part nut ,, and have noticed yellowing ,, then when i switch to 12/12 ,i drop the #3 it is potossium/nitrate ,,should i add a little to the the total bloom mix, or add it to the flush ,,the veg mix calls for 5/6 of a tea spoon per 10 liters ,and none in the bloom
thx
thx
murtymaker
Well-Known Member
Wait, haha sorry I'm confused, I know it's expensive that's why my pocketbook will be lighter, but isn't having my leaves' color lighter a bad thing? I thought we were aiming for darker leaves throughout... no? Sorry I'm an idiot
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
My point was I was against it because it will make your leaves lighter. It will not maintain chlorophyll. Without chlorophyll, you'll have no photosynthesis going on.Wait, haha sorry I'm confused, I know it's expensive that's why my pocketbook will be lighter, but isn't having my leaves' color lighter a bad thing? I thought we were aiming for darker leaves throughout... no? Sorry I'm an idiot
Keep 'em green,
Uncle Ben
