The Molasses Debate Thread.

Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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well rangor-rick i don't know the answer to your question, but im glad to hear you used molasses before, do you have any pics of plants that have been fed molasses? and how would you compare that smoke to chemical smoke and a no nutes smoke?
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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good deal bro! some people claim molasses makes bigger/ denser buds.. what would you say to this since you have experience
 
Growop101

Growop101

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What stage of the plants life do you feed molasses,? What is the feeding process (Mix with water? what ratio?) how often ect?
 
Dankster4Life

Dankster4Life

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I use it throughout the whole grow.....have been using half tbls last 2 or 3 weeks instead of 1 tbls.

Your plants age should have nothing to do with it as the molasses is for your critters in the soil.
 
dirtyho1968

dirtyho1968

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I read an article by the Rev in SKUNK (vol 6, issue 7) that he uses a Tablespoon per gallon in "Veg" but cuts back his Molasses to half of that in "Flower" in his teas. Now is this because you don't want the bacteria over running the fungi in the soil durring flower?

Also, I throw LK and Molasses in my teas. Best of both worlds:weed:
 
Nullis

Nullis

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^ Exactly. Take a look at this fool who was posting previously on about how Liquid Karma is some "sugar water\tea concentrate" or something even more ridiculous...

Reality is you can add the 10 ml of Liquid Karma\gal to your tea brew and it is conducive to bacteria and fungi (Fungi likes the cellulose and yucca extract, as well as humic\fulvic acids, etc). The amounts of straight molasses most people typically use (1+ tbsp) are conducive to bacteria while lesser amounts are more conducive to fungi).
 
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TJames

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I'm wondering if the cutting back of molasses during flower has more to do with it being speculated as a nutrient source. I can't see how cutting back on bacteria at any point is helpful, but I could sure be wrong.

Thanks Nullis for the verification that Molasses isn't likely absorbed by the plant.
 
tardis

tardis

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Nullis said:
Really? Well it seems like you're putting a bit too much faith in how things "seem" to you as opposed to the way they actually are. I think you missed my point; Liquid Karma isn't simply "molasses that has been broken down in advance for you in the form of simple sugars"... (blackstrap already happens to contain simple sugars, so that would majorly make no sense).
I'm arguing for the sake of boredom and the fact that you're kind of a jerk...as it seems.

Apparently Botanicare has the capitol investment, interest and motivation to hire plant biologists (Ph fucking D's, actual biologists) to research and formulate their products. The only thing that molasses has in common with LK is that they both happen to contain sucrose, fructose and some of the same B vitamins and maybe it [molasses] has some amino acids. But molasses doesn't contain cellulose (a fungal food), phytohormones, humic/fulvic/organic acids, or actually have a similar array of vitamins, a wetting agent, and is over all way different than this "sugar/tea concentrate" which you assume it to be. I mean, if you've never used the stuff and don't understand how to then how is it you can talk so much shit about it? You generally use 10 ml of the stuff per gal, but you could always use less... one product for transplants, clones, foliar, whenever you'd give straight water, etc. One freaking product. Go look for me exclusively touting the praises of Botanicare all over the boards.

And what the heck is wrong with you, for real? "Fancy feel good labels"... lol. You're such a stuck up piece of shit it's a disgrace to Bob Ross. Don't go saying "do what works best for you" followed by a pretentious, belittling shit headed comment. There are certainly companies out there whose products I personally wouldn't use because they don't "seem" like they are worth it or they "seem" like a shit company; and guess what you don't see: me talking shit about those products or trying to explain to other people exactly what they are- I wouldn't know, I've never used them.
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LOL, does it have electrolytes? Plants love electrolytes right? hehe I love when people post like this, it reminds me that the movie Idiocracy was true. Lucky this guy doesn't have to wait for the future to live as a dumbass, he's ahead of the curve.

Its called the Kreb Cycle, look it up. or even http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Kreb+Cycle+cause+i'm+dumb
 
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TJames

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The plant doesn't absorb the sugars as far as I know. Plants make glucose then Krebs converts to cellulose, but not thinking the plant metabolizes soil-based sugars. So how is it proposed the molasses ends up doing anything to the bud? Maybe the blackstrap variety with the extra minerals? I'm just not seeing the mechanism that sweetens a bud
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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well you cant see the wind either, doesn't mean its not there.

most every grower that has used molasses will tell you it makes more resinous/ sweeter buds.
i dont think the way it happens really matters, the fact that it happen is the important part.

again i would ask anyone who had used molasses in grows to write up a quick summary of what they have done and how it turned out

cheers
 
Cooter@666

Cooter@666

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Nullis said:
^ Exactly. Take a look at this fool who was posting previously on about how Liquid Karma is some "sugar water\tea concentrate" or something even more ridiculous...

Reality is you can add the 10 ml of Liquid Karma\gal to your tea brew and it is conducive to bacteria and fungi (Fungi likes the cellulose and yucca extract, as well as humic\fulvic acids, etc). The amounts of straight molasses most people typically use (1+ tbsp) are conducive to bacteria while lesser amounts are more conducive to fungi).
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Nullis,
I release you!
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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I read on a weed forum that molasses turns your weed purple. Also putting blueberries in your res. :bigjoint: lighten up guys!
Molasses didn't hurt this girl...



ps... Plushberry from TGA
 
Nullis

Nullis

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Dankster4Life said:
Nullis what is your avy?
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Google the first line, it should give you some clues.

tardis said:
LOL, does it have electrolytes? Plants love electrolytes right? hehe I love when people post like this, it reminds me that the movie Idiocracy was true. Lucky this guy doesn't have to wait for the future to live as a dumbass, he's ahead of the curve.

Its called the Kreb Cycle, look it up. or even http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Kreb+Cycle+cause+i%27m+dumb
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Uhhh har har well it probably does! But you realize we're not necessarily talking about the plant, here, don't you? In living soil and in teas constituents of the Liquid Karma (or molasses) are utilized primarily by micro-organisms... we're not expecting exogenous sucrose\glucose\fructose\cellulose\etc to be assimilated by the plant. With exclusively sucrose or simple sugars bacteria will undoubtedly dominate the substrate; and some of us don't want that.
Perhaps I am just confused.

Seriously though its not like I want to be talking so shit damned much about Liquid Karma, I just happen to use it along with a couple other things. Also use Earth Juice Catalyst, which is actually derived in part from molasses (along with kelp, oat bran, wheat malt and yeast). Again for the purpose of microbial stimulation. They're similar but very different products. Catalyst is a quite a bit less expensive, but you also use more of it. AFAIK neither is very biologically active; in a tea you could add all of your usual ingredients and then 5 ml of LK or a tablespoon Catalyst or whatever depending on what kind of brew you're going for (but the purpose is not limited to that). What's the huge issue with buying some professional horticultural products for your grow? Why does this offend some people? I just don't see how someone can be so arrogant about such a thing... any arrogance of my own was due the provocation.
 
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TJames

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Dolce Vita said:
well you cant see the wind either, doesn't mean its not there.

most every grower that has used molasses will tell you it makes more resinous/ sweeter buds.
i don't think the way it happens really matters, the fact that it happen is the important part.
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I have no data to support bud sweetening or no sweetening. In reading a couple other threads there are others than have done side by side and report no difference. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, to your point. Side note: I advocate using UV-b because of similar anecdotal evidence. I have used molasses in all my grows but do so for the herd.

This is one area where a person's desire for the molasses to produce a sweeter bud possibly involves the placebo effect. Possibly.
 
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