The Judge heard the case today to shut down the entire AMMA

Your directed comment makes me think you need some attention or something to keep you occupied...

Prices are still going to be outrageous even with your hopefuls LV, esp. if the market is saturated with dirt. The quality is going to cost an arm and a leg. The people who have it, know it and will profit as best they can with it. Look at ANS, from what I heard good people, top-shelf meds but prices were through the roof..

And to your spiteful comment, I do not feel a dispensary employed grower in AZ will be getting paid remotely what their time etc. are worth. The offers I have physically seen people get would make any grower who has been cultivating for longer than AMMA walk away, as these few did... I personally have been offered a check for my genetic stable, but that is completely illegal. Just goes to show the mentality of some industry hopefuls. Also, some of the big dogs have their growers selected and wanna know what their favorite line is regarding quality? " Oh we will have fire, cuts are just a quick trip to cali...." This is coming from a metro winner. Also, I have seen projected numbers from a hopeful group who thinks they can generate $3 mil from 99 plants. Another favorite comes from a northern group, when I asked them if they will have an organic product they said this, "Patients wont get to see our facility, so they wont know what we use to grow." Nice.....

Not to mention the uncertainty that is clouding the entire industry.

I know you are think you are super advanced in the AZ field but in most medical states, dispensaries are allowed to purchase form caregivers. Many of those caregivers are the reason for top-shelf meds. Call and ask Harborside if they outsource most of their dank... This is even the case in CO where something like 70% has to be grown in house. Most other state have mom and pop dispensaries in the mix as well.. The only legal outlet AZ dispensaries have for obtaining medicine is from other dispensaries.

For all your riff raff I really hope your group(s) are as legit as you claim. So now Im curious, What strains do your hopefuls have? What are their projected prices? I remember you saying they were all in rural areas? I truly hope there are some good winners out there because from my real life, not theoretical experience, I have met some really scummy, big time, registration certificate holders who only see dollar signs. Sadly there operation is 100% going to be supplying a good portion of the state, that is their business model.

Stop bragging about a dispensary job... Talk logistics not "hopefulness"

You are the enemy to the "ma & pa" grower not thy friend!

I do commend anyone with such a title but not mi amigo as long as the "25 Mile Rule" is written...

I do not want to see one patient suffer due to living within a "25 Mile" radius of a dispensary.

Since you know all these folk with dispensary licenses why are you not advocating an amendment to the AzMMA?


I will not support 1 dispensary... Why? They know the monopoly exists which enables them to cash in wrongfully on patients.

I have been preaching this since day 1... The first dispensary within the 25 from residence will be tied up in litigation. Not a rich man but will be down at the Maricopa Superior Court (downtown) filing a Declaratory Judgement and an injunction against said dispensary.


#1 question -
If a qualifying patient has been denied access to acquire their medicine safely?

#2 question -
If a qualify patient continues to grow after being denied ("Authorization To Cultivate") will they be arrested and charged as if the MMJ ID never existed?

folks can go on and on...


Az vs. Hayes went quickly very quickly.... No lawyer but seemed like there was not grievance (detail) in the litigation. Maybe a ghost writer would have been the best option. Who knows. All I know is I will not allow the dispensaries to take me hostage.


Not everyone will be able to afford $300+ z

Is it true that there has not been an official ruling on the Horne vs compassion club(s) case?

That is correct, there has not been a ruling.

Thats crazy, this means they will/can potentially continue to operate when dispensaries open..
Illegal or legal, there has been no ruling.

Recent raids are obviously a clear indication on how certain police forces intend to "play by the rules."

A lottery.

It still takes a lot of money to have even put together the application and submission. What is mom and pop, when there is so much financial and ciminal risk? These dispensary licensees are operating in a hostile legal zone. Who wants to bet his anal virginity and heavily encumbered borrowing on success in this environment?

Only the great American entrepreneur.


The prices should be the same for awhile as demand continues to explode.

1337hacker said:

What's good for you isn't good for others necessarily... I personally consume far more than yourself and know there has to be patients out there breaking the 2.5 oz per 2 week mark

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I read about an alzhemeirs patient consuming an ounce a day. Tolerance is a bitch.

Certain cancer patients being treated with phoenix tears require at least a pound of medicine a month to process the oil needed for their treatment. This law was written to service patients merely as a means to make money for investors not the other way around.

AvonBarksdale said:

Yeah, agreed.

Also, what about people that make edibles, tinctures, and healing oil?

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If you're counting the weight it takes to make concentrates, than I can see someone using more than 2.5oz worth of flowers per 2 weeks, but once you've made concentrates, it isn't 2.5oz's anymore, and tell me, where does that fall as far as LEO's interpretation? I've heard that once you've made concentrates, LEO considers it not marijuana, but CANNABIS, or some such BS. Does that mean anything but just flowers is not MMJ?

I can't see anyone consuming 2.5oz's per 2 weeks of raw flowers, unless they are rolling huge blunts of schwag, is what I meant. A cancer patient using honey oil, transdermally or otherwise, all day every day, i guess I could see using 1 pound worth of flowers a month.

KT420 said:

If you're counting the weight it takes to make concentrates, than I can see someone using more than 2.5oz worth of flowers per 2 weeks, but once you've made concentrates, it isn't 2.5oz's anymore, and tell me, where does that fall as far as LEO's interpretation? I've heard that once you've made concentrates, LEO considers it not marijuana, but CANNABIS, or some such BS. Does that mean anything but just flowers is not MMJ?

I can't see anyone consuming 2.5oz's per 2 weeks of raw flowers, unless they are rolling huge blunts of schwag, is what I meant. A cancer patient using honey oil, transdermally or otherwise, all day every day, i guess I could see using 1 pound worth of flowers a month.

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Im a crohn's patient and have been medicating for my ailment for 10 + years... I'm near an ounce a week at this point, and I assume I don't have it as bad as others.

I've just started to read about the awesomeness of juicing, which would have you run through ounces at a time if you didn't grow your own for the raw leaves.

I smoke a lot of bud I could easily smoke 2.5 ounces in two weeks no problem. Realistically this could take me 10 days especially if I was to just smoke it as flower. I have a very high tolerance.

I vape occasionally and mostly do edibles now (Coconut Oil over salads) and id say 1oz now lasts me about 2 months. I got rid of all the bongs and pipes after me the wife decided to get healthy, lose weight and change our life style and still keep Cannabis in it.

Coconut Oil FTW.

Lucius Vorenus said:

I vape occasionally and mostly do edibles now (Coconut Oil over salads) and id say 1oz now lasts me about 2 months. I got rid of all the bongs and pipes after me the wife decided to get healthy, lose weight and change our life style and still keep Cannabis in it.

Coconut Oil FTW.

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I hear you on that with work and family life I'm barely smoking about a ounce every 3-4 weeks, coconut oil over salads with cannabis in it sounds pretty fucking awesome!

BeaverHuntr said:

I hear you on that with work and family life I'm barely smoking about a ounce every 3-4 weeks, coconut oil over salads with cannabis in it sounds pretty fucking awesome!

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its bomb bruv. i use 1tsp olive oil, 1tsp coconut oil and about 1/4tsp THC coconut oil and im good for about 6hrs. i mix that all in a bowl with 1 tsp apple cider vinegar and 1tsp Basalmic vinegar. Then over the salad

Lucius Vorenus said:

its bomb bruv. i use 1tsp olive oil, 1tsp coconut oil and about 1/4tsp THC coconut oil and im good for about 6hrs. i mix that all in a bowl with 1 tsp apple cider vinegar and 1tsp Basalmic vinegar. Then over the salad

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Batch it, bottle it and sell it. Oops I mean give it away free with the purchase of a souvenir bottle.

irieie said:

Batch it, bottle it and sell it. Oops I mean give it away free with the purchase of a souvenir bottle.

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Love to. Goes bad too quick. Something about Coconut oil man, it's only good for like 2 weeks for some reason then just gets foul when THC is in it.

Re: Life with Cannabis

When I came back to cannabis after it became legal, I bought pipes and bongs and didn't care for either. Vaping and edibles will accellerate main stream acceptance. If my wife had to put up with dirty bongs and reek, the cannabis would come to an end.

I know, some would rather give up their wives than weed....

my wife, too.
I vape in the house...smoke, no. I have a place to go do that...my own little building...the "doghouse" as I refer to it.

What is the states view on concentrates? I thought I read something about if it's acquired through mechanical means it's ok (dry sieve, bubble), but chemicals (BHO) not, or was it that all concentrates are not considered MMJ, they are considered "Cannabis"...?

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What is the states view on concentrates? I thought I read something about if it's acquired through mechanical means it's ok (dry sieve, bubble), but chemicals (BHO) not, or was it that all concentrates are not considered MMJ, they are considered "Cannabis"...?

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The state no longer holds this position. Concentrates are now OK but may not be sold or exchanged for money. This is from the blog of health director will humble.