The ideological battle... guns

Rob Roy said:

Not trying to be critical, but the second amendment does not "give" any rights. The intent was to enumerate a natural right that already exists.

While I think the constitution is flawed, as it presupposes consent when there is none, the bill of rights does have many concepts that make sense. The right to bear arms in self defense is one of them.

Of course if rights were "given" to people by government, they would no longer be rights, they would become privileges capable of being revoked by "leaders".

Privileges and rights are very different....Government granted privileges are a slippery slope and sort of like comfortable handcuffs...Just like what is going to happen when weed is "legalized", it will be on a master / slave permission basis. Which does nothing to advance real freedom. Peace.

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The rights were given to us by God, our creator and thus a higher power than government and irrevocable. At least that seems to be the intent of the constitution.

NLXSK1 said:

Lets get a list of the top 10 things that kill people. I am sure guns are not on it. Heart disease and Automobile accidents are likely there though.

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Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts:


Annually there are around 2,515,458 deaths registered in the US with the leading top 10 causes accounting for nearly 75% of all deaths.

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
4. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Alzheimer's disease
7. Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
8. Influenza and pneumonia
9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
10. Suicide (intentional self-harm).

Rob Roy said:

Not trying to be critical, but the second amendment does not "give" any rights. The intent was to enumerate a natural right that already exists.

While I think the constitution is flawed, as it presupposes consent when there is none, the bill of rights does have many concepts that make sense. The right to bear arms in self defense is one of them.

Of course if rights were "given" to people by government, they would no longer be rights, they would become privileges capable of being revoked by "leaders".

Privileges and rights are very different....Government granted privileges are a slippery slope and sort of like comfortable handcuffs...Just like what is going to happen when weed is "legalized", it will be on a master / slave permission basis. Which does nothing to advance real freedom. Peace.

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kinda like the dc vote for legalization with 68% yet it's a rider to take away from THE PEOPLE in spending bill?

if anything, i would think you of all people would be outraged.

schuylaar said:

Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts:

Annually there are around 2,515,458 deaths registered in the US with the leading top 10 causes accounting for nearly 75% of all deaths.

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
4. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Alzheimer's disease
7. Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
8. Influenza and pneumonia
9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
10. Suicide (intentional self-harm).

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Looking at that list, I would have to say the number one killer in our country is out diet. We can thank processed foods and our FDA for that.

ginwilly said:

Looking at that list, I would have to say the number one killer in our country is out diet. We can thank processed foods and our FDA for that.

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Actually we can blame freedom of choice, decreasing activity and lack of proper nutritional training.

NLXSK1 said:

Actually we can blame freedom of choice, decreasing activity and lack of proper nutritional training.

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Relying on or trusting a government agency called the food and drug administration is bad, who knew?

One of the mods here is a nutrition specialist. I think it was Sunni. This is more in her wheelhouse than mine, but what we've approved of and recommend as our diet is killing us. It's nearly impossible to buy food without some sort of corn filler/ by product.

I'd like to get her insight into exactly how bad the food we are told is good for us is.

schuylaar said:

Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts:

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Why does the chalk board have Cholesterol, saturated fats, sugar, sodium, and Bad carbohydrates on it? Is it saying that those things cause the other?

ginwilly said:

One of the mods here is a nutrition specialist. I think it was Sunni. This is more in her wheelhouse than mine, but what we've approved of and recommend as our diet is killing us. It's nearly impossible to buy food without some sort of corn filler/ by product.

I'd like to get her insight into exactly how bad the food we are told is good for us is.

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First, that chick is NOT a "nutrition specialist".

Second, the only foods that are going to have additives and fillers are those that come processed, and there is absolutely NO need to EVER buy processed food, let alone make them a regular part of your diet.

Wilksey said:

First, that chick is NOT a "nutrition specialist".

Second, the only foods that are going to have additives and fillers are those that come processed, and there is absolutely NO need to EVER buy processed food, let alone make them a regular part of your diet.

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It's not easy to eat on the cheap. That's why our poor is so fat here. I agree that there is no need to ever buy processed, but that means staying out of restaurants for the most part too.

I thought Sunni had a degree? maybe I'm thinking of someone else here.

NLXSK1 said:

The rights were given to us by God, our creator and thus a higher power than government and irrevocable. At least that seems to be the intent of the constitution.

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I'm cool with that if that is your belief. I do think that was the intention of the framers of the constitution. It makes sense whether you are religious or not, as it advances the belief that no person is endowed with more rights than another.

If none of us as individuals have the right to do certain things to other people, than no aggregate of people can have that right either.

schuylaar said:

Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts:

Annually there are around 2,515,458 deaths registered in the US with the leading top 10 causes accounting for nearly 75% of all deaths.

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
4. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Alzheimer's disease
7. Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
8. Influenza and pneumonia
9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
10. Suicide (intentional self-harm).

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A better question you might ask is how many deaths were caused recently by the most murderous regime in the world, the good ol' USA? Added up death by government historically is a huge number, care to guess how big?

schuylaar said:

kinda like the dc vote for legalization with 68% yet it's a rider to take away from THE PEOPLE in spending bill?

if anything, i would think you of all people would be outraged.

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I appreciate the hard work that people do trying to seek permission to own themselves and be granted the privilege of using a plant.
I used to put in some time begging government to change oppressive laws.

I think it is futile though. If you have to ask permission and be granted permission to do something that is a persons natural right, there is something wrong with that picture systemically.

What should the people in D.C. do? Maybe they could move to Somalia, where people still actually own themselves.

schuylaar said:

Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts:

Annually there are around 2,515,458 deaths registered in the US with the leading top 10 causes accounting for nearly 75% of all deaths.

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
4. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Alzheimer's disease
7. Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
8. Influenza and pneumonia
9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
10. Suicide (intentional self-harm).

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You forgot abortion

BigNBushy said:

You forgot abortion

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derp!

you can't forget it if it's not on the list.

schuylaar said:

derp!

you can't forget it if it's not on the list.

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I read an article that if abortion was considered a cause of death, and there is no reason why it shouldn't be in my mind, that it would outstrip all of those. And that was just from black babies aborted.

The article estimated that if not for abortion that blacks would make up 45% of the population IIRC.

Death by government is the leading cause of violent death, far outstripping all of the worlds lone whacko shooters or independent thugs.

When you ask people to consider this fact and they stare blankly at you and continue chewing their collective cud, it would appear there is a huge cognition blind spot.

The public school system has worked its intended purpose....to indoctrinate.

schuylaar said:

if you knew could save one child's life by wearing a bracelet, would you?

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even if the watch is perfect, and can never fail (my own experience with watches shows this to be nonsense) the electronics inside The Gun would never stand up to the punishment of firing.

thats why every one of these trinkets has been rejected by the FBI, PD's, the military, etc.

if this shit actually worked, every marine humping through the shit, and every cop on the beat would be using it.

if your weapon fell into enemy hands it would be useless, which would really help cut down on weapons scavenged from the fallen.

cops get shot with their own guns far too regularly, but even they know a gun that doesnt work when you need it is worse than a gun that MIGHT be turned against you.

guns arent like your honda civicc, they get beat to fuck every time they fire, and the electronics in these wonder gadgets break every time they are tested.

ginwilly said:

Can you link the study for this chart? I don't know what it means by age adjusted firearm deaths.

Also, can you provide any value to the conversation? It's pretty early in the day for you to already be a drunken ass.

Has the wife kicked you out yet? You know it's coming don't you....

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"age adjusted" means they "weighted" the actual numbers to suit their narrative.

kinda like when a pollster calls 700 registered democrats and 30 registered republicans then "weights" the responses as if he knows how his large sample and small sample WOULD have responded if the two numbers were the same.

statistics is math for people who would rather have an answer that supports their agenda, than one that is correct.

but i bet he will claim his latest favorite poll is also "scientific" despite not being "peer reviewed"

BigNBushy said:

I read an article that if abortion was considered a cause of death, and there is no reason why it shouldn't be in my mind, that it would outstrip all of those. And that was just from black babies aborted.

The article estimated that if not for abortion that blacks would make up 45% of the population IIRC.

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but it's not.

just like gunshot victims.

people die from all the other illnesses way over abortion numbers.

do you really want a black population of 45%?

where'd you get that stat? not the white supremacist online group you been at for the past month or so?

i suggest the GOP brand now includes tolerance in abortion and birth control.

typical GOPer: it's an abomination; why do i have to pay for someone else's fill in the blank?

yet you want to CONTROL and tell other how to live.

you know what BNB? i'm good with you reading the bible, going to church, live the way..even discussion.

what i'm not good with is your group telling me i have to read the bible, go to church and live the way.

righties don't give a shit how you live, frankly..why does your group? i just don't get it.

do what you want..knock yourself out!..but don't force others to believe in a concept they are not interested in!

Dr Kynes said:

even if the watch is perfect, and can never fail (my own experience with watches shows this to be nonsense) the electronics inside The Gun would never stand up to the punishment of firing.

thats why every one of these trinkets has been rejected by the FBI, PD's, the military, etc.

if this shit actually worked, every marine humping through the shit, and every cop on the beat would be using it.

if your weapon fell into enemy hands it would be useless, which would really help cut down on weapons scavenged from the fallen.

cops get shot with their own guns far too regularly, but even they know a gun that doesnt work when you need it is worse than a gun that MIGHT be turned against you.

guns arent like your honda civicc, they get beat to fuck every time they fire, and the electronics in these wonder gadgets break every time they are tested.

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i need the "fail ratio" link on the smart gun that you are alluding to.

citation for the study which shows the above.

i know you won't get me one, because there isn't one.

you'll just disappear for the day..like the others when confronted with erroneous flotsam and jetsam of your post.