The forbidden TRUTH

ghostdriver said:

LOL! News clips, Scientist showing you the list of ingredients in Vaccines, Clips of people admitting to things and N.A.S.A Footage of the Moon, like those things aren't accurate.

I'm guessing you think the only way to obtain credible information would be if I checked with you first?

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News clips are always accurate? People calling themselves scientists, how you know that they are? Clips of random, anonymous people admitting to things? Really? Actual NASA footage is, of course, accurate. Not sure if the footage in your video was actual NASA footage, and if it was used in the correct context. These things are beside the point. The point is to make you aware that you are critical of your opponent's information, but not your own. If you would learn to point that critical eye inward, and at ideas that appeal to you, you'd have a better chance of possessing beliefs that are based on accurate information... If that is important to you...

tyler.durden said:

News clips are always accurate? People calling themselves scientists, how you know that they are? Clips of random, anonymous people admitting to things? Really? Actual NASA footage is, of course, accurate. Not sure if the footage in your video was actual NASA footage, and if it was used in the correct context. These things are beside the point. The point is to make you aware that you are critical of your opponent's information, but not your own. If you would learn to point that critical eye inward, and at ideas that appeal to you, you'd have a better chance of possessing beliefs that are based on accurate information... If that is important to you...

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I have been posting Speech's in the News, laws passing in the News, Presidents, Pope, William Gates and other famous people admitting things not anonymous people, live events caught on tape, Scientist showing you the ingredients to vaccines, N.A.S.A footage things that cannot be faked.




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William Gates Says he loves to kill people with vaccines in link below.
Basically Agenda 21 is "we must all die to save the world from dying" LOL - These types of people is who atheist make their GOD and trust with their souls, the man who kills them and brags about it, and if he could have "one wish" it would be for you to die.

- Skip to 4 Min mark

NBC News predicts by 2017 All Americans will be chipped

look ghostdriver, i'm trying to help you by saying this:

"These types of people is who atheist make their GOD and..."

^THIS IS NOT HELPING YOUR ARGUMENT.

Atheists believe in ZERO GODS. We do not make anyone or anything our "god," because that would defeat the purpose of the term "atheist," which literally means "lack of belief in any god."

If an "atheist" ..."made bill gates their god," then they would not be ATHEIST anymore, now would they?

Humans exist, this is true. I don't have to "believe in them," in order to test the hypothesis of their existence.

Stop saying "atheist make bill gates their god!" because that's just bizarre and ridiculous. Maybe if you prune your own agenda to eliminate the "weird" stuff, people will start listening to you a bit more, instead of just attacking your obvious mistakes.

reasonevangelist said:

look ghostdriver, i'm trying to help you by saying this:

"These types of people is who atheist make their GOD and..."

^THIS IS NOT HELPING YOUR ARGUMENT.

Atheists believe in ZERO GODS. We do not make anyone or anything our "god," because that would defeat the purpose of the term "atheist," which literally means "lack of belief in any god."

If an "atheist" ..."made bill gates their god," then they would not be ATHEIST anymore, now would they?

Humans exist, this is true. I don't have to "believe in them," in order to test the hypothesis of their existence.

Stop saying "atheist make bill gates their god!" because that's just bizarre and ridiculous. Maybe if you prune your own agenda to eliminate the "weird" stuff, people will start listening to you a bit more, instead of just attacking your obvious mistakes.

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These are the people that tell you they know you come from Germs, and you believe them, they tell you Global warming is real, and homosexuality is right, they tell you how you live your life and you follow. You are right... You are making Satan your GOD and them the Prophets. I once was supported the Global Warming idea I watched those films by Al Gore and all of that, but now that Agenda 21 came in full effect I see it was just a special tool made by illuminati.
I use to mock people that denied Global Warming too...

William Gates loves Gay people they can't procreate and populate, plus they serve Satan and want your soul to go to Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles


Explaining Agenda 21 in full someone commented that they stopped watching it when he pulled out a book you could buy, that wasn't his book it was a book Bush senior wrote about Agenda 21
Then Clinton made one and they passed their bills and Obama signed it ect ect Law is passed just not enforced by Law this second... like marijuana being illegal on a federal level and not state, it's just a matter of time until we all in F.E.M.A Camps.

ghostdriver said:

These are the people that tell you they know you come from Germs,

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True, those people exist.

ghostdriver said:

and you believe them

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What i think evolution means, and what you think evolution means, are probably quite different. Whether i "believe" anything or anyone, depends on whether the evidence presented makes sense.

ghostdriver said:

, they tell you Global warming is real

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They do, but i'm inclined not to believe that humans are the cause, while also understanding that humans do indeed cause quite a lot of excess pollution which could be significantly reduced (the pollution could be reduced).

ghostdriver said:

, and homosexuality is right,

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There are many people insisting homosexuality is "right" or "natural," and it always makes me feel uneasy and wrong when they insist... because i'm not gay.

But those people's lives and bodies are their own business, not mine, and if those people say they are naturally that way, then who am i to argue or judge? Let them be as they are. It's not about "right," but it is about "live and let live." I won't treat any human disrespectfully for something they believe is part of the conditions of their birth, and it's really not my place to insist they behave otherwise.

Love thy neighbor, right? Even if thy neighbor be thy enemy. As long as they aren't being destructive, their personal lives are really none of my or anyone else's business.

ghostdriver said:

they tell you how you live your life and you follow.

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No.
I do not follow how others tell me to live. I do the best i can within the constraints imposed upon my freedom, because all too often, the alternative provokes the ire and violence of the enforcers paid for by the ruling class. I try not to make myself a target, because i appreciate life itself, and realize the chance to live may never come again.

ghostdriver said:

You are right... You are making Satan your GOD and them the Prophets.

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There's that statement again...

My personal moral code is sound, and the foundations of my perspective quite solid. I make no man my "god." Especially not one who prefers deception and destruction over truth and progress.

ghostdriver said:

I once was supported the Global Warming idea I watched those films by Al Gore and all of that, but now that Agenda 21 came in full effect I see it was just a special tool made by illuminati.
I use to mock people that denied Global Warming too...

William Gates loves Gay people they can't procreate and populate, plus they serve Satan and want your soul to go to Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles


Explaining Agenda 21 in full someone commented that they stopped watching it when he pulled out a book you could buy, that wasn't his book it was a book Bush senior wrote about Agenda 21
Then Clinton made one and they passed their bills and Obama signed it ect ect Law is passed just not enforced by Law this second... like marijuana being illegal on a federal level and not state, it's just a matter of time until we all in F.E.M.A Camps.

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Whether the ruling elites want my soul to go to hell... that doesn't matter to me. What those people want, only matters to me as far as i like to pay attention to what the dangerous ruling class does, so i can have an idea of what to expect, and a chance to understand how to possibly avoid or mitigate or navigate whatever scheme they may impose.

They may believe in and serve satan, but i do not.

Even as an atheist, i have to think that if there is a god who is indeed "all powerful," and is indeed "all loving," then perhaps there is a reason "He" does not want to reveal himself to me directly. I'm sure his capacity for compassion and reasoning would far exceed my own, and if such a being does in fact exist, he would most likely understand why i don't believe, and would almost certainly forgive any being for being exactly what was intended.

I'm sure you've heard of "Pascal's Wager."

Mine is similar, but contrary: i wager that if a god worth worship exists, then he knows exactly why i remain skeptical, and would find that to be the result of a well-functioning mind, rather than an affront.

I'm not disagreeing with you about Agenda 21. It's just that "the powers that be" have so much control, there is nothing we can really do to stop them. They are going to do what they will do... and i will do whatever i do... and someday we will all die, and i accept that. That is how biological mortality works: we're conceived, we're born, we live for a while, then we die. No one really knows what, or if, anything happens "after." And if anything does come next, i will cross that bridge when i get there.

No what our saying is impossible and you know it is it's just long ranting of anti Christ remarks. I find your overall waste of my time and attempt of seeming sincere as insulting. I have clearly supplied you the information that shows your are wrong.
I do think you have a motive like all the other spammers and weather government paid anti Christ advertiser and spammer troll or just Anti Christ satanic worship alone or with the Masonic Lodge. But ether way you are lying to me, online community and most importantly to out of the three groups...Yourself...

What do you think of

- Proves everything I have said to be true, Skip to 1:06 to see I'm not joking then 1:27 This was Apollo 20 I think. Watch it all I know it's long and at some part will seem irrational or skeptical but the video proves what this guy saying is true.[/QUOTE]

ghostdriver said:

What your religion calls logic and reason for believing the impossible
1. Animals are built a certain way based on there function - LOL truth yet this screams creation not darwinism bacteria people.
2. Living matter is somewhat similar on a molecular level. -Doesn't suggest darwins theory LOL but yes organic material is somewhat similar when compared to sand, metal, water, oxygen.
You then just assume? The rest of your theory on what? LOL
From those three things you leaned that man and all living things started as the same organism? And that THE HOLY BIBLE isn't true?
WHAT! lets re-read darwins "facts" lol facts that don't suggest his theory in anyway. ^^^

Lets talk about some of the impossible things you claim happen because of those three things you observed in the world.
Like my marijuana, you think this seed came from a germ. And it can appear from nothing. And it happens over time.
And Light and water and man and women who physical design is completely exposed to the elements and if we were to attempt to live like "animals" we would die, from too much sun exposure or frostbite and hypothermia. But you claim that we are all one super organism and mankind just decided to do what?Mankind is completely different WOW mankind must of been thinking some happy thoughts? Do thoughts change species form one to another? You are claiming that, Claiming that and then that "law" suddenly changed.
And elephants decided to want to be big? How? Did the "think real big?
This is painful that people believe this blaspheme trash. I think the only reason is because their pride of "i'm perfect and do nothing wrong" contradicts with the truth so they just choose not to involve themselves with the truth, the unavoidable, unstoppable, impending truth.
And light and water and man and women the sun and moon, clouds... and you think these germs can do all these things and leave no evidence and just stop coming from nothing and you don't question how they could do this? Or where they came from? Or why you are physically made the way you are?
And that these germs that have always been here somehow seem to have stopped transforming into things now? And appearing from nothing? Because in reality things don't appear from nothing randomly unless it's made. Things don't switch species when becoming extinct. They just die, and people can't run into the water (us you claiming be the germs) and start to slowly grow gills over generations and become mermaids and be fish people and build Atlantis and have sharks as pets. Shark's, butterflies, scorpions you think came from this same (super organism) that became billions of species and animals based upon what they chose to do while alive. What did the butterfly do to became what it is? What about the shark? What if I want my family to start becoming butterfly people for millions of years later in generation? Best advice?
Or maybe becoming a water melon or marijuana since they are are relative in your religion, you guys got a lot of half melon people in your darwin following?
This is reality not something George Lucas or Steven Spielberg wrote.


"You think because GOD ALMIGHTY is the beginning and the end, you can state that the universe can be the same because it's following the same principal? That's completely erroneous.
GOD made the Laws of Physics and is not bound by them.
Before the beginning GOD was.
Matter lacks the ability to create something from nothing, and is bond by the Laws of Physics.


Ceepea : "No, matter has always existed in some form or another. We have no reason to believe matter can be created or destroyed. "

Me:- If matter is here it got created do you have proof that something is able to come from nothing? EXACTLY

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But i am sincere. And you shouldn't feel insulted by that.

I might joke around sometimes, or i might snap back with an off-color comment sometimes, but what i just posted was done for the purpose of good will toward others (you), in attempt to reason with you.

I'm just trying to be reasonable and understand the world, while encouraging others to be reasonable and increase their understanding of the world as well. That's my only motive.

As for your video... that's a long video, and i may attempt to watch it soon... but the title makes me think it might be filled with misinformation, so i'm pretty reluctant.

reasonevangelist said:

But i am sincere. And you shouldn't feel insulted by that.

I might joke around sometimes, or i might snap back with an off-color comment sometimes, but what i just posted was done for the purpose of good will toward others (you), in attempt to reason with you.

I'm just trying to be reasonable and understand the world, while encouraging others to be reasonable and increase their understanding of the world as well. That's my only motive.

As for your video... that's a long video, and i may attempt to watch it soon... but the title makes me think it might be filled with misinformation, so i'm pretty reluctant.

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Well I included a brief statement telling you to skip to the 1:06 and 1:27 in the Aliens are from Hell and I stated not to be dismayed by the title you clearly have the time posting rants about things you haven't educated yourself on. Which shows me how serious you are at finding out the truth and your intentions you don't care to see things that will make you change your way of life and thinking.
You said you don't believe JESUS CHRIST is the Son of GOD so...
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. John 1 2: 22


So there isn't one Anti Christ there are MANY which this Art Bell the radio announcer doesn't understand in this video of a Anti Christ calling in.
You remind me of this guy.

When he says nature will help he means Agenda 21 obviously he is part of the Evil Society.
And insane filled with demons.

None of these lies and rants will work when your being Judged.
No one is sneaking into Heaven.

ghostdriver said:

No what our saying is impossible and you know it is it's just long ranting of anti Christ remarks. I find your overall waste of my time and attempt of seeming sincere as insulting. I have clearly supplied you the information that shows your are wrong.
I do think you have a motive like all the other spammers and weather government paid anti Christ advertiser and spammer troll or just Anti Christ satanic worship alone or with the Masonic Lodge. But ether way you are lying to me, online community and most importantly to out of the three groups...Yourself...

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Dude, you are the Ultimate Troll! Seriously. This new guy jumps into the fray and turns out to be the member who is more on your side than anyone else in this stupid thread, and what do you do? Thank him? Attempt to have a civil discussion and meeting of the minds? No, you outright bash him. As I've stated before, you do more to turn people away from your inane dogma than your detractors ever could. You are the least christ-like person I've seen on this forum so far, delicious irony. Even Nevaeh (your alter ego) is more christ-like than you, and that guy is hopelessly whacked. Keep on spreading the lies, ignorance and hate. You are a living joke. You make us laugh and jesus cry...

after giving that video the fairest viewing i could (i seriously watched the first ~20 minutes before applying my seek/search technique, and ended up watching at least a combined 80% of the whole)...

My only response can be this: not sure if serious.

The whole video seems like the narrator is literally improvising the entire time. No sources, no citations, just endless outlandish claims slathered all over blurry, grainy video clips, without any kind of backing substance. He just starts talking and talks and talks and talks until the end. His speech is extremely "low-grade," and it really seems like he's just filling space with imagination the entire time.

For all the work that went into making that "film," i have to question the motives behind creating such a thing without any kind of basis for factual analysis.

Interesting and entertaining ideas, nonetheless. I suppose life as a human would indeed be far more interesting with the addition of supernatural hyperdimensional shapeshifting demons opening interdimensional portals for the purpose of swindling the ultra-rich elite leaders of the world into a holy war... that we would have absolutely no chance of winning, if such beings actually wanted to destroy us.

ghostdriver said:

LOL! News clips, Scientist showing you the list of ingredients in Vaccines, Clips of people admitting to things and N.A.S.A Footage of the Moon, like those things aren't accurate.

I'm guessing you think the only way to obtain credible information would be if I checked with you first?

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An ignorant statement if one was ever made.

Your body needs iron, but if you were to eat iron shavings you might die. Does that mean iron is toxic to humans? No, it means the dosage either makes it harmful or helpful. Vaccines are the same way, they contain things that in the right quantities could make you sick.

Water and oxygen, in the right levels are both toxic as well. Does that mean we should all stop breathing and drinking water?

ghostdriver said:

Well I included a brief statement telling you to skip to the 1:06 and 1:27 in the Aliens are from Hell and I stated not to be dismayed by the title you clearly have the time posting rants about things you haven't educated yourself on. Which shows me how serious you are at finding out the truth and your intentions you don't care to see things that will make you change your way of life and thinking.
You said you don't believe JESUS CHRIST is the Son of GOD so...
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. John 1 2: 22


So there isn't one Anti Christ there are MANY which this Art Bell the radio announcer doesn't understand in this video of a Anti Christ calling in.
You remind me of this guy.

When he says nature will help he means Agenda 21 obviously he is part of the Evil Society.
And insane filled with demons.

None of these lies and rants will work when your being Judged.
No one is sneaking into Heaven.

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what is anti Christ about this guy ? besides, him saying he is, sounds like another neavaeh420 to me

Please make sure you watch the entire videos or else you don't know anything

Art had so many nutjobs calling in.It was the basis for his radio show.It was entertainment.

ghostdriver said:

No what our saying is impossible and you know it is it's just long ranting of anti Christ remarks. I find your overall waste of my time and attempt of seeming sincere as insulting. I have clearly supplied you the information that shows your are wrong.
I do think you have a motive like all the other spammers and weather government paid anti Christ advertiser and spammer troll or just Anti Christ satanic worship alone or with the Masonic Lodge. But ether way you are lying to me, online community and most importantly to out of the three groups...Yourself...

What do you think of

- Proves everything I have said to be true, Skip to 1:06 to see I'm not joking then 1:27 This was Apollo 20 I think. Watch it all I know it's long and at some part will seem irrational or skeptical but the video proves what this guy saying is true.

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Fake call. The dude prank called and admitted it was a fake.

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Fake call. The dude prank called and admitted it was a fake.

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ghostdriver said:

No what our saying is impossible and you know it is it's just long ranting of anti Christ remarks. I find your overall waste of my time and attempt of seeming sincere as insulting. I have clearly supplied you the information that shows your are wrong.
I do think you have a motive like all the other spammers and weather government paid anti Christ advertiser and spammer troll or just Anti Christ satanic worship alone or with the Masonic Lodge. But ether way you are lying to me, online community and most importantly to out of the three groups...Yourself...

What do you think of

- Proves everything I have said to be true, Skip to 1:06 to see I'm not joking then 1:27 This was Apollo 20 I think. Watch it all I know it's long and at some part will seem irrational or skeptical but the video proves what this guy saying is true.

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I said Skip to 1:06 and 1:27 and then watch the whole video explain those parts LOL
Notice how the radio station really did get cut off? Weather this guy thought it was a joke or not the radio station got shut down?
Furthermore it could be a cover up explain 1:06 and 1:27 those parts LOL
It's a 2hour film the phone call wasn't the evidence skip to the parts I mention then you will have the patience and enjoy watching it.

Dude, you know the guy narrating that video says "Jesus is actually one of those hyperdimensional beings from the other dimension."

In other words: he's saying jesus is a demon/fallen-angel/from-"hell"/etc.

Unless i misunderstood him.

Plus, zero cited sources for any of his info, and plenty of it could indeed be faked/hoax/special-effects (or in this case, not-so-special effects).

The ONLY thing in that video that kinda creeped me out, was the footage of the floating shape-shifting thing that the narrator says "is freaking out because it's struggling to maintain its shape."

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of these "spiritual portals" are... erm... "seen," near "holy sites."

That would fit perfectly with anyone who has a religious agenda to convince people to fear "gods" and "demons."

The moon stuff, i just can't accept that as legit. I'll need to see some kind of corroboration on the legitimacy of that stuff. I don't believe it, but if someone can explain to me how any of this qualifies as PROOF, i'll give it another chance. But if it's not proof (and it isn't yet), then no one should be calling it something it isn't.

I'm not saying the government or the shadow government are innocent, but this whole "ancient human-aliens/demons and moon bases" thing is just way too far out there, and is completely unsubstantiated. You'll have to do better than that.

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Dude, you know the guy narrating that video says "Jesus is actually one of those hyperdimensional beings from the other dimension."

In other words: he's saying jesus is a demon/fallen-angel/from-"hell"/etc.

Unless i misunderstood him.

Plus, zero cited sources for any of his info, and plenty of it could indeed be faked/hoax/special-effects (or in this case, not-so-special effects).

The ONLY thing in that video that kinda creeped me out, was the footage of the floating shape-shifting thing that the narrator says "is freaking out because it's struggling to maintain its shape."

I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of these "spiritual portals" are... erm... "seen," near "holy sites."

That would fit perfectly with anyone who has a religious agenda to convince people to fear "gods" and "demons."

The moon stuff, i just can't accept that as legit. I'll need to see some kind of corroboration on the legitimacy of that stuff. I don't believe it, but if someone can explain to me how any of this qualifies as PROOF, i'll give it another chance. But if it's not proof (and it isn't yet), then no one should be calling it something it isn't.

I'm not saying the government or the shadow government are innocent, but this whole "ancient human-aliens/demons and moon bases" thing is just way too far out there, and is completely unsubstantiated. You'll have to do better than that.

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No I watch have watched it LOL He mentions people ask that. Keep watching enjoy your film.

That is the stupidest film I've ever seen. The guy doing the 'resporting' isn't an expert in..... anything from what I can tell. Why would anyone believe what he's saying? Video taping your computer screen isn't exactly the sign of a professional.

When you write 1:06 and 1:27, you know that means 1 MINUTE and 6 or 27 SECONDS, right? That's the part with the fake phone call that the dumbass who made this video thinks was real.

You are a complete and utter failure at finding credible things to believe. If you spent 1/2 as much time finding out if your beliefs were warranted, as you did finding new and retarded things to believe, you'd be in a much better place and would believe far less quackery.