The End of the 'American Dream'

Padawanbater2

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I got this from another forum, thought you guys would find it interesting;


The price of inequality
Lack of opportunity in the United States means the country's most valuable asset – its people – is not being fully used
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Joseph Stiglitz

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 5 June 2012 16.09 BST

The price of inequality – A member of the anti-capitalist Occupy Wall Street movement protests on 5th Avenue, New York. Photograph: Shannon Stapleton/Reuters
America likes to think of itself as a land of opportunity, and others view it in much the same light. But, while we can all think of examples of Americans who rose to the top on their own, what really matters are the statistics: to what extent do an individual's life chances depend on the income and education of his or her parents?

Nowadays, these numbers show that the American dream is a myth. There is less equality of opportunity in the United States today than there is in Europe – or, indeed, in any advanced industrial country for which there are data.

This is one of the reasons that America has the highest level of inequality of any of the advanced countries – and its gap with the rest has been widening. In the "recovery" of 2009-2010, the top 1% of US income earners captured 93% of the income growth. Other inequality indicators – like wealth, health, and life expectancy – are as bad or even worse. The clear trend is one of concentration of income and wealth at the top, the hollowing out of the middle, and increasing poverty at the bottom.

It would be one thing if the high incomes of those at the top were the result of greater contributions to society, but the great recession showed otherwise: even bankers who had led the global economy, as well as their own firms, to the brink of ruin, received outsize bonuses.

A closer look at those at the top reveals a disproportionate role for rent-seeking: some have obtained their wealth by exercising monopoly power; others are CEOs who have taken advantage of deficiencies in corporate governance to extract for themselves an excessive share of corporate earnings; and still others have used political connections to benefit from government munificence – either excessively high prices for what the government buys (drugs), or excessively low prices for what the government sells (mineral rights).

Likewise, part of the wealth of those in finance comes from exploiting the poor, through predatory lending and abusive credit-card practices. Those at the top, in such cases, are enriched at the direct expense of those at the bottom.

It might not be so bad if there were even a grain of truth to trickle-down economics – the quaint notion that everyone benefits from enriching those at the top. But most Americans today are worse off – with lower real (inflation-adjusted) incomes – than they were in 1997, a decade and a half ago. All of the benefits of growth have gone to the top.

Defenders of America's inequality argue that the poor and those in the middle shouldn't complain. While they may be getting a smaller share of the pie than they did in the past, the pie is growing so much, thanks to the contributions of the rich and superrich, that the size of their slice is actually larger. The evidence, again, flatly contradicts this. Indeed, America grew far faster in the decades after the second world war, when it was growing together, than it has since 1980, when it began growing apart.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, once one understands the sources of inequality. Rent-seeking distorts the economy. Market forces, of course, play a role, too, but markets are shaped by politics; and, in America, with its quasi-corrupt system of campaign finance and its revolving doors between government and industry, politics is shaped by money.

For example, a bankruptcy law that privileges derivatives over all else, but does not allow the discharge of student debt, no matter how inadequate the education provided, enriches bankers and impoverishes many at the bottom. In a country where money trumps democracy, such legislation has become predictably frequent.

But growing inequality is not inevitable. There are market economies that are doing better, both in terms of both GDP growth and rising living standards for most citizens. Some are even reducing inequalities.

America is paying a high price for continuing in the opposite direction. Inequality leads to lower growth and less efficiency. Lack of opportunity means that its most valuable asset – its people – is not being fully used. Many at the bottom, or even in the middle, are not living up to their potential, because the rich, needing few public services and worried that a strong government might redistribute income, use their political influence to cut taxes and curtail government spending. This leads to underinvestment in infrastructure, education, and technology, impeding the engines of growth.

The great recession has exacerbated inequality, with cutbacks in basic social expenditures and with high unemployment putting downward pressure on wages. Moreover, the United Nations Commission of Experts on Reforms of the International Monetary and Financial System, investigating the causes of the great recession, and the International Monetary Fund have warned that inequality leads to economic instability.

But, most importantly, America's inequality is undermining its values and identity. With inequality reaching such extremes, it is not surprising that its effects are manifest in every public decision, from the conduct of monetary policy to budgetary allocations. America has become a country not "with justice for all", but rather with favouritism for the rich and justice for those who can afford it – so evident in the foreclosure crisis, in which the big banks believed that they were too big not only to fail, but also to be held accountable.

America can no longer regard itself as the land of opportunity that it once was. But it does not have to be this way: it is not too late for the American dream to be restored.

Joseph E Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate in economics, is professor of economics at Columbia University. His latest book is The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers our Future.


Does this sound correct to anyone here who read it? I'd hope it's bullshit, but I really don't know enough about economics to know if it's pretty much how the story played out
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The trouble I see is that the author states that the "American Dream" ( which iirc meant getting and holding a stable, well-paying job that allowed a family to have a house, two cars and enough money to send the kids to college and Grandma to a nice geezerium) might be recaptured but does not suggest how. It seems like a bait&switch piece to me: talking about opportunities is inherently interesting (imo) but this is just another screed on how insufficiently Socialist we are. I would not have read it had I known that the content does not reflect the title.
...And I am not aware of a historical Socialist system that enhanced individual opportunity. I question the unspoken implication.

The author talks about income inequality in established careers. Any talk of opportunity needs to focus less on current circumstances and more on potential ones - notably access to the sort of education that employers regard favorably when seeking to fill positions. cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I did not see criticisms of capitalism per se. I saw mention of the way bankers have been running their institutions like privateers. That is about the often-pathological interaction between banks and governments.

The one time the author did bring up economics directly was to excoriate the "trickle-down" model. I agree that trickle-down is BS, but that is incidental. The elephant in the room (and the author doesn't mention it) is that since the application of "Reaganomic" ideas, the USA has embraced an utterly reckless policy of deficit spending. (This worked together with the gutting of Glass-Steagall to yield the situation in which the bankers were suddenly free yo fly the Jolly Roger.) Reagan and the two Bushes are amazingly bad culprits in this situation. Interestingly, the one President of the last third-century to seriously combat this spendthrift trend has been Bill Clinton. These bits o'data have shown me that the very terms "conservaitve" and "liberal" have mutated essentially beyond recognition in the last decades.

I'm rambling, but I'm saying that the author is being objectionably cute to the point of dishonesty. He decoyed the reader with the American Dream premise into reading an ad for socialist policies ... and misidentified the main driver behind the current failure of economic classes below Bizjet Owner to grow real wealth once the first great pyramid collapsed with the recession of approx. 2001.
 

Illegal Smile

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It begins with the assumption that equality (which remains undefined) is a goal of society or should be, and goes downhill from there. Sophomoric drivel.
 

Padawanbater2

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@ canna

OK, what about these three points specifically?

-less equality compared to our European counterparts (due to business and government practices going back decades)

-the rate of growth among economic classes (also due to business and government practices going back decades)

-the wealth at the top comes from exploiting those at the bottom



It begins with the assumption that equality (which remains undefined) is a goal of society or should be, and goes downhill from there. Sophomoric drivel.
Do you disagree with the premise that society should be equal?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Pad, "equality" is one of those fraught terms imo. Equal in which regard?

There's also the tension between principle and what works. Socialism is principled, but doesn't work ime/imo. Capitalism is principled only insofar as: success is rewarded; failure is punished. (Thus what we have in the USA is not capitalism, since Too Big To Fail doesn't belong in a market-driven economy.)

I am powerfully ambivalent about this. Socialism is definitely the nicer, kinder socioeconomic model, but it doesn't seem to have legs. The "communist" countries either folded up (like the east Bloc) or cheated, like China. Sweden was supposed to be the shining success story among social democracies, but i read recently (forget where) that they're shifting toward the right.
The developed countries as a whole, USA included, have shifted toward a hybrid social democratic [politico]economic model over the course of the last 60 years. Big government, extensive social programs, large tax revenues to run them. What troubles me is that the more compassionate/helping gov't becomes, the more people become dependent on, and feel entitled to, government payouts. On the one hand, I see this as unsustainable: it's basic human psychology. Funded compassion removes the pain of failure, and the ultimate result is to undercut the reward of achievement.

On the other, it's impractical and frankly a bit dumb to expect a population to vote in its long-term interest. It's relatively easy to legislate a new social subsidy program or tax cut. It's practically impossible to undo these populist maneuvers once they're made law. And then a society and its economy are stuck with a more or less artificial recipient class that is a draw on a public fund that's contracting because the productive workforce is contracting. The only way to undo these expensive institutions is by revolution, martial law or other effective abandonments of the social contract.

Finally there is the morality angle. I don't know which way to slice this. Cutting social programs to the bone will generate enormous and immediate suffering, especially if there is not a vigorous job/career market to absorb the new seekers of the paycheck. Not doing so, however, will lead to crisis and collapse; i'm pretty much convinced of that.

So my bottom line is this: I support equality of opportunity, but i am not in favor of redistributing wealth for its own sake. I don't see a way out of impending social and economic crisis, but I see a harder, leaner society of self-reliant survivor types as much more viable than the current situation. but to get bthere from here would require a tremendous amount of pain. I see no win: we cannot afford to be civilized, and yet we can't afford not to be either. This will end badly imo. cn

<add> In case I'm missing your question, Pad, please tell me this: what does [social, economic, political] equality mean to you? How would you define it?
 

Padawanbater2

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Forgive the multi-quote, it's difficult (or obnoxious) for some members, but I just want to touch on each point

Pad, "equality" is one of those fraught terms imo. Equal in which regard?
By equal, I mean equal opportunity between economic classes. Those at the bottom have the same opportunities as those as the top. I think that's something a nation should strive for.

There's also the tension between principle and what works. Socialism is principled, but doesn't work ime/imo. Capitalism is principled only insofar as: success is rewarded; failure is punished. (Thus what we have in the USA is not capitalism, since Too Big To Fail doesn't belong in a market-driven economy.)
So does that mean capitalism [as currently utilized in the US], doesn't work?

I am powerfully ambivalent about this. Socialism is definitely the nicer, kinder socioeconomic model, but it doesn't seem to have legs. The "communist" countries either folded up (like the east Bloc) or cheated, like China. Sweden was supposed to be the shining success story among social democracies, but i read recently (forget where) that they're shifting toward the right.
The developed countries as a whole, USA included, have shifted toward a hybrid social democratic [politico]economic model over the course of the last 60 years. Big government, extensive social programs, large tax revenues to run them. What troubles me is that the more compassionate/helping gov't becomes, the more people become dependent on, and feel entitled to, government payouts. On the one hand, I see this as unsustainable: it's basic human psychology. Funded compassion removes the pain of failure, and the ultimate result is to undercut the reward of achievement.
The entitlement programs though, I feel, are another issue. The main focus of the article in the OP seems to be the wide gaps between classes and why they exist. I agree completely with you those programs should be fixed.

On the other, it's impractical and frankly a bit dumb to expect a population to vote in its long-term interest.
A problem in itself that needs to be addressed..

Finally there is the morality angle. I don't know which way to slice this. Cutting social programs to the bone will generate enormous and immediate suffering, especially if there is not a vigorous job/career market to absorb the new seekers of the paycheck. Not doing so, however, will lead to crisis and collapse; i'm pretty much convinced of that.
Cut the programs that are sinking the country and hurt many or don't and hurt everyone. When put in those terms, I think the Romulans wouldn't have trouble choosing.. I think we have to face facts, entitlement programs, while they help people, actually hurt a lot of people, too. They need to be fixed as well, imo.

<add> In case I'm missing your question, Pad, please tell me this: what does [social, economic, political] equality mean to you? How would you define it?
All I want out of all of this is for things to be equal, the little guy has as much of a chance to make it big as the already rich guy. As it is now, it is, in all intents and purposes, impossible. The rich guy has designed a system to disable the little guy from being able to step up and make it big. The politicians, since they run on money, are in agreement with those that already have it, the rich guy. Anything he says goes, even at expense to the environment or other members of the same society in a lower social economic class. This is bullshit. Do I think the government should step in and fix it? Fuck no. Let me repeat, FUCK NO. Because I know they would only make it worse. I see no realistic solution to this problem. I'm not ready with the answers, I'm just outlining the problem as I see it as a regular everyday citizen whose tired of being fucked by the system. The rich stay rich and get richer because the rich make the rules. They can, and have, made rules that make it illegal for us to protest the injustices.

I'm with you. I don't think this will end good. It's scary, but it's realistic. I don't see the kings handing down the power anytime soon, and history shows us we have to take it to get it. To be perfectly honest, I'm just about fed up with the whole idea of a human society in general (my dad thinks I'm crazy) because I know that whoever does end up taking it will only abuse it and the goddamn cycle will continue for as long as I live. What will it accomplish?

Nothing, that's what. And I'll have wasted my life hoping for some imaginary change that'll never take place...

Have you given up hope yet? I know you're about twice my age, I can't imagine living another lifetime and not putting a bullet in my brain...


And that's why old people get my respect. They can deal with the crazy.


Sorry that got way off topic towards the end..
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Pad, we might have incompatible outlooks. I don't see economic classes in the USA. I have never met anyone who's been Classified. The only figures of merit here are income and net worth.

Classifications as I've encountered them are pure abstractions, e.g. the Poverty Line. Ceterum censeo that talk of class is (in general) a marker for Marxism. Marxists are enamored of the social-classes concept, but I don't think it's a valuable distinction.

I do not see any impediment to climbing to the top in the USA today as compared to 20, 50 or 100 years ago. It takes two things:
1) ability, and 2) ambition. As far as I've seen if you have those two 9and a modicum of luck) you can make it into the 0.001% or whatever. Race, creed, color etc. don't figure into it.

So I reject the concept of "class" right up front. Has it become harder to make it? i do believe so, but that is a function of the overall economy and a general diaspora of manufacturing jobs. But I don't see any restrictions on one's future that aren't based on individual merit.
Now, those at the top will have an advantage ... their families can afford the best schools etc. But self-made ghetto kids still get admitted to Harvard and West Point. So I maintain that the little guy DOES have a fair whack at the piñata. All that's required is an outstanding set of test scores, and those come from within. I don't deny that there is an economic filter in place, but there is such an extensive network of scholarships etc. available that the real doers aren't blocked from the big rewards. So where you and I disagree is in the level of the system's corruption. You see impermeable social classes; I don't.

I have the theoretical power to go forth, even at my age, and pursue a new career. It might not be as unlimited as what was available to me when i was 20. it might be more work. But I don't view this mild tilt of the playing field as an irreparable injustice. If I bring real push to the game, the game will turn my way. Ultimately, the only discipline is self-discipline, and responsibility for my lot rests squarely on my shoulders. I am retired for medical reasons. Lucky? No. Fair? (Why not?) Life offers both success and failure, and I have never been tempted to ascribe ultimate responsibility for my successes and failures anywhere else but to myself. I caution you against believing that the system is rigged beyond repair ... that attitude breeds a self-reinforcing despair. The world is still the ambitious man's oyster, and while the right background is a plus, it isn't a prerequisite. The future belongs to the self-determined; always has. Jmo. cn
 

Mr Neutron

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The trouble I see is that the author states that the "American Dream" ( which iirc meant getting and holding a stable, well-paying job that allowed a family to have a house, two cars and enough money to send the kids to college and Grandma to a nice geezerium) might be recaptured but does not suggest how. It seems like a bait&switch piece to me: talking about opportunities is inherently interesting (imo) but this is just another screed on how insufficiently Socialist we are. I would not have read it had I known that the content does not reflect the title.
...And I am not aware of a historical Socialist system that enhanced individual opportunity. I question the unspoken implication.

The author talks about income inequality in established careers. Any talk of opportunity needs to focus less on current circumstances and more on potential ones - notably access to the sort of education that employers regard favorably when seeking to fill positions. cn
geezerium? lol
 

Padawanbater2

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First thing, it's great to engage in a political discussion with someone who isn't taking the defensive right off the bat! I have no interest in arguing, only understanding.

Pad, we might have incompatible outlooks. I don't see economic classes in the USA. I have never met anyone who's been Classified. The only figures of merit here are income and net worth.

Classifications as I've encountered them are pure abstractions, e.g. the Poverty Line. Ceterum censeo that talk of class is (in general) a marker for Marxism. Marxists are enamored of the social-classes concept, but I don't think it's a valuable distinction.

I do not see any impediment to climbing to the top in the USA today as compared to 20, 50 or 100 years ago. It takes two things:
1) ability, and 2) ambition. As far as I've seen if you have those two 9and a modicum of luck) you can make it into the 0.001% or whatever. Race, creed, color etc. don't figure into it.
This is where I disagree. I think it's fairly clear that the elite (upper class) has designed a system where the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. I do not believe it's on an equal foundation, where a kid is born into a poor family has the same opportunities as a kid who was born into a rich family. I'd like to cite this wiki page as a general example;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty

If you disagree with the premise of economic classes, I implore you to investigate. An example I can think of off the top of my head is how there have been engines developed to run on water, using the energy produced from separating the hydrogen from the oxygen in H2O as a fuel source, there are other examples of already established industries downplaying the successes of new industries just because they're viewed as competition, even if they're more efficient or beneficial to all of our goals than what's been previously established, just because the corporation can out-buy the competitor. The new innovation gets swept under the rug and business continues as usual.. Hemp is another one.. countless textiles can be created using hemp, but it's illegal because the paper industry viewed it as a competitor in the 30's.. This seems opposite of what we should be doing, and we're only doing it because the richest guy came in and paid the politicians to vote to make it illegal. We know this stuff happens, it happens all the time. Rich people from private sectors pay politicians for a certain vote, they vote a certain way, in line with corporate interests and the laws get passed accordingly, for big business, not for American interests.


So I reject the concept of "class" right up front. Has it become harder to make it? i do believe so, but that is a function of the overall economy and a general diaspora of manufacturing jobs. But I don't see any restrictions on one's future that aren't based on individual merit.
Why have the top tier of the population received 93% of the economic growth while the other 1% has received the bottom 7%? These figures make it seem obvious that the ruling class has manufactured a system to gain the most profits, while the lower classes, the working classes have garnished absolutely nothing but longer hours and lower wages, when compared to inflation. Wouldn't we see a more unified, equal economic growth rate across the board, and not just for the ruling class, if economic warfare wasn't real? The top 1% get's 33% increase, the middle class gets 33% increase, the lower class gets 33% increase in wealth distribution... that would be equal. (not what I want, that's the definition of socialism, I want it to represent what it actually represents). What it is now is 93% increase to the already wealthy, and the other 7% gets divided up between the middle and lower class, FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS! This is completely unacceptable to me and I'd think to anyone viewing the same statistics. It's OBVIOUS the 1% didn't earn a goddamn 93% increase in the profits since 1974, why the FUCK should they reap all the benefits? Absurd! Calling it like it is isn't socialism, it's REALISM. It's reality. It's bullshit. They are theives who've designed a system to legally steal from poor people.

Now, those at the top will have an advantage ... their families can afford the best schools etc. But self-made ghetto kids still get admitted to Harvard and West Point. So I maintain that the little guy DOES have a fair whack at the piñata. All that's required is an outstanding set of test scores, and those come from within. I don't deny that there is an economic filter in place, but there is such an extensive network of scholarships etc. available that the real doers aren't blocked from the big rewards. So where you and I disagree is in the level of the system's corruption. You see impermeable social classes; I don't.
Any advantage is unacceptable to me. Life isn't fair, but we should strive to make it as fair as possible. What do you tell the kid born into a single parent family with a mom whose barely able to bring in ends meat? "Sorry Johnny, that other kid has a better start than you do, he's got a better chance at succeeding in life than you do... sorry"...? Most kids in that position view it as an impossibility. You're born into it, you'll die in it. Get the fuck used to it. This is the total opposite message I think we want to be sending to the more unfortunate youth of America.

I'm a white kid who grew up in a relatively lower-middle class family and this thought has led me to entertain criminal behavior in my everyday life. I'm telling you, from this kind of persons perspective, they think "if they don't play fair, why the fuck should I?" - leading to thoughts of criminal behavior I struggle with today.. This stuff breeds criminals, it makes life worse for everybody. Especially witnessing shit like "too big to fail".. It leads one to wonder why playing fair is the right thing to do...


I have the theoretical power to go forth, even at my age, and pursue a new career. It might not be as unlimited as what was available to me when i was 20. it might be more work. But I don't view this mild tilt of the playing field as an irreparable injustice. If I bring real push to the game, the game will turn my way. Ultimately, the only discipline is self-discipline, and responsibility for my lot rests squarely on my shoulders. I am retired for medical reasons. Lucky? No. Fair? (Why not?) Life offers both success and failure, and I have never been tempted to ascribe ultimate responsibility for my successes and failures anywhere else but to myself. I caution you against believing that the system is rigged beyond repair ... that attitude breeds a self-reinforcing despair. The world is still the ambitious man's oyster, and while the right background is a plus, it isn't a prerequisite. The future belongs to the self-determined; always has. Jmo. cn
Strangely, your last paragraph gives me hope. I somewhat agree with you, but as a young man, looking at the storm to come, it looks like a big fight with little fish to take home... I guess what matters most is the techniques I learn to catch the fish and those that help me along the way...
 

afrawfraw

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I think by declaring Texas a Walmart, we will be moving forward as a nation. They lead the country in Ignorance and Obesity. We need to address facts which hasn't been done since Watergate.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
This is a very meaty post, Pad. Allow me to tackle it in small bites.

First thing, it's great to engage in a political discussion with someone who isn't taking the defensive right off the bat! I have no interest in arguing, only understanding.



This is where I disagree. I think it's fairly clear that the elite (upper class) has designed a system where the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. I do not believe it's on an equal foundation, where a kid is born into a poor family has the same opportunities as a kid who was born into a rich family. I'd like to cite this wiki page as a general example;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty

If you disagree with the premise of economic classes, I implore you to investigate.

I commented earlier on the arbitrary nature of the poverty line as an economist's convention. Similarly I don't see how to assign an Elite classification to someone. For a time, my income put me in the top 1%. I was no more Elite then than now, and I am well below the mean at this time.
An example I can think of off the top of my head is how there have been engines developed to run on water, using the energy produced from separating the hydrogen from the oxygen in H2O as a fuel source, there are other examples of already established industries downplaying the successes of new industries just because they're viewed as competition, even if they're more efficient or beneficial to all of our goals than what's been previously established, just because the corporation can out-buy the competitor.
Can you provide a link for engines running on water andor hydrogen? H2 engines I've heard about ... but I've also heard lots about scams on the same topic ... like the "Brown's mixture" generators for under the hood. I sure hope you don't mean similar pseudoscience. I am strongly disinclined to see conspiracy where I can just as readily see technical ignorance and superstition combine to give a rumor legs. As far as using hydrogen as a regular combustive fuel ... it has its benefits and drawbacks. The worst drawback for general use (imo) is its great difficulty in storing and its low energy density ... in any of its three main forms: liquid, compressed gas, adsorbed hydride.

The new innovation gets swept under the rug and business continues as usual.. Hemp is another one.. countless textiles can be created using hemp, but it's illegal because the paper industry viewed it as a competitor in the 30's.. This seems opposite of what we should be doing, and we're only doing it because the richest guy came in and paid the politicians to vote to make it illegal. We know this stuff happens, it happens all the time. Rich people from private sectors pay politicians for a certain vote, they vote a certain way, in line with corporate interests and the laws get passed accordingly, for big business, not for American interests.
Why have the top tier of the population received 93% of the economic growth while the other 1% has received the bottom 7%? These figures make it seem obvious that the ruling class has manufactured a system to gain the most profits, while the lower classes, the working classes have garnished absolutely nothing but longer hours and lower wages, when compared to inflation. Wouldn't we see a more unified, equal economic growth rate across the board, and not just for the ruling class, if economic warfare wasn't real? The top 1% get's 33% increase, the middle class gets 33% increase, the lower class gets 33% increase in wealth distribution... that would be equal. (not what I want, that's the definition of socialism, I want it to represent what it actually represents). What it is now is 93% increase to the already wealthy, and the other 7% gets divided up between the middle and lower class, FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS! This is completely unacceptable to me and I'd think to anyone viewing the same statistics. It's OBVIOUS the 1% didn't earn a goddamn 93% increase in the profits since 1974, why the FUCK should they reap all the benefits? Absurd! Calling it like it is isn't socialism, it's REALISM. It's reality. It's bullshit. They are theives who've designed a system to legally steal from poor people.
Again I run into a problem of definitions. This top tier: how assigned? And while it is very easy from a human perspective to view a group to which i don't belong as a sinister monolith, it's an artifact of psychology. I don't buy into the concept of a coordinated class of people cooperating, conspiring to keep the little guy down. Statistics sound impressive, but I'd like to see behind the spurious precision of the numbers and see what assumptions the statistician has made.
It's also the wrong way to look at it imo: it's relativistic. i don't give a good rat's rump roast if I'm doing better or worse than (arbitrarily assigned demographic), since that way lies only malcontentment. So long as I'm dong well, the better/worse is at best irrelevant and at worst, it foments jealousy. It's an adult's responsibility imo to control such impulses and to count one's blessings.
Any advantage is unacceptable to me. Life isn't fair, but we should strive to make it as fair as possible. What do you tell the kid born into a single parent family with a mom whose barely able to bring in ends meat? "Sorry Johnny, that other kid has a better start than you do, he's got a better chance at succeeding in life than you do... sorry"...? Most kids in that position view it as an impossibility. You're born into it, you'll die in it. Get the fuck used to it. This is the total opposite message I think we want to be sending to the more unfortunate youth of America.

Here we have a concrete example of the different mindsets you and I bring to the table. I would not waste one second talking about someone else's apparent Better Start. That is a recipe for making someone jealous and malcontented. Instead, i'd be telling Johnny
"You have the opportunity to excel. You are X's economic hostage ONLY if you allow yourself to be. never mind him and concentrate on what you can DO. Study hard. Ace your exams. identify what the school system has cut out of your education as a consequence of "no child left behind" and similar unfortunate policies. The responsibility for your success lies with you and nobody else. Given the choice between playing the victim card and building yourself a life and a career by the sweat of your own brow, always choose the second option. It empowers you, while the former actively disempowers you."


I'm a white kid who grew up in a relatively lower-middle class family and this thought has led me to entertain criminal behavior in my everyday life. I'm telling you, from this kind of persons perspective, they think "if they don't play fair, why the fuck should I?" - leading to thoughts of criminal behavior I struggle with today.. This stuff breeds criminals, it makes life worse for everybody. Especially witnessing shit like "too big to fail".. It leads one to wonder why playing fair is the right thing to do...
We have the choice to not buy into a victim's mindset. In fact, in my value system that becomes a moral duty.
Strangely, your last paragraph gives me hope. I somewhat agree with you, but as a young man, looking at the storm to come, it looks like a big fight with little fish to take home... I guess what matters most is the techniques I learn to catch the fish and those that help me along the way...
...and to always identify why and for whom you've gone fishing in the first place. All jmo of course, but I feel there is wisdom in not giving into the temptation to view the system as intractably corrupt. My experience has been that it isn't. Remarkably few people these days are cultivating a mindset of self-reliance and responsibility. I view that as an opportunity: impress upon your would-be employers that the buck DOES stop here, and you'll have a huge advantage over the OWS fools. cn
 
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