The Electric Sun...

This is a subject that has been bothering me (in a good way) for the last year and a half, ever since I first stumbled across the idea.

If the sun is not purely a nuclear furnace, then what is it?
Why is the Corona greater in temperature by orders of magnitude than the surface? The Standard Model fails to explain why, and the heaping of "Dark" theories onto it are not helping.

http://electric-cosmos.org/BirkelandFields.pdf

I just finished reading the above paper, and it is causing my mind to twist uncomfortably (probably because I only recently learned about Bessel functions in solving the Diffusion Equation and I still have problems visualizing it). I recently approached my Theoretical Physics prof with this stuff, and after a few hours research he came back with some questions of his own. Most notably, where are the neutrinos coming from if the Anode model (which is one of the ideas posited) is the one most lauded?

As it turns out, the Anode model is not definitively accepted amongst the EU community, and the idea of "plasma sheaths" is becoming a more likely candidate.
This allows for the photosphere (chromosphere?) to create nuclear reactions (via plasma fusion processes like a Tokamak Reactor) while still allowing for the "circuit" hypothesis to remain viable in the core. But there are so many questions to be answered still.

EDIT:scratch the Plasma Sheaths video. This one is better for understanding the debate.
[video=youtube;JWpPetpI50U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpPetpI50U[/video]

EDIT2: link to notes and slides used in the presentation
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByVDJsY_ytfDLUtfU0JlSVRKZlU/edit

I found a good textbook for an intro to Plasma
http://physicsebooklibrary.blogspot.ca/2011/06/introduction-to-plasma-physics-and.html

Gawd, I love that website

And then there are the Indians who keep pumping out these fantastic lecture series on Engineering and Physics which have been a valuable resource for me over the past few years.

Here's the first of 42 lectures on Plasma Physics...although, anyone interested in the introductory theory need only to see the first 4.
Enjoy!

[video=youtube;wO2HS7hcSb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2HS7hcSb8[/video]

Cool. I can't follow the math but is not the case, that below the Corona there is not technically Plasma? Is it not a more dense substance? Particles, of all energies take millions of years or something to work their way out.

Then they encounter the plasma state of the Corona, as sort of relief...... and release energy not possible at the interior densities. The DT fusion plasma we can get is much hotter, a billion or more F. I don't know if there is a top temperature for Plasma.

For the Solar Neutrino, there doesn't seem to be enough. Or perhaps, there is enough? If we check the modulation of the Zed Boson, perhaps it can detect the entire mass...of nothing...practically. The ZB experiment may be able to say what is the new limit of detection of "mass-less."
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/solneu.html
The fact that the detector is heavy water, providing data on neutrino scattering off deuterium, has moved us closer to the solution of the solar neutrino problem. This detector is sensitive to neutral current interactions mediated by the Z[SUP]0[/SUP] boson......

.....early data indicates that the total of all generations of neutrinos is in agreement with Bahcall's predicted flux. This equality is taken as evidence of neutrino oscillation, and can further be taken as evidence that the neutrino's mass in non-zero.

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Cool. I can't follow the math but is not the case, that below the Corona there is not technically Plasma? Is it not a more dense substance? Particles, of all energies take millions of years or something to work their way out.

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Technically, plasma can have nearly any density, so long as it is "ionized gas". I believe the Indian Prof discusses that in the 1st or 2nd video of the lecture series.
As for the millions of years, yes, that's part of the Thermonuclear model.
The photosphere is plasma, though. It's just more dense than the corona. It's certainly not a "liquid".

Then they encounter the plasma state of the Corona, as sort of relief...... and release energy not possible at the interior densities. The DT fusion plasma we can get is much hotter, a billion or more F. I don't know if there is a top temperature for Plasma.

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Chen discusses the subject of temperature as it relates to plasma physics in sec 1.3 of his text.
For the purposes of calculations, it is better to think of "temperature" in terms of Kinetic energy where 1eV = 11600 Kelvin.
In the case of stars, I don't think one needs to be concerned with upper limits. The fact is there is an anomaly (or several) which is not adequately justified by the thermonuclear hypothesis.
Chapter 1 of Chen really is a great all-around intro for all of this stuff.

For the Solar Neutrino, there doesn't seem to be enough. Or perhaps, there is enough? If we check the modulation of the Zed Boson, perhaps it can detect the entire mass...of nothing...practically. The ZB experiment may be able to say what is the new limit of detection of "mass-less."
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/solneu.html
The fact that the detector is heavy water, providing data on neutrino scattering off deuterium, has moved us closer to the solution of the solar neutrino problem. This detector is sensitive to neutral current interactions mediated by the Z[SUP]0[/SUP] boson......

.....early data indicates that the total of all generations of neutrinos is in agreement with Bahcall's predicted flux. This equality is taken as evidence of neutrino oscillation, and can further be taken as evidence that the neutrino's mass in non-zero.

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I still don't know enough about Quantum Mechanics (yet) to give any sort of qualified perspective on the matter. I've been trying to avoid that subject in my studies as long as I can so as to build a stronger foundation in the other areas of physics I am more concerned with (such as classical mechanics and fluid/thermo-dynamics).
But from my limited understanding and discussions with authority, the SNO observations contained somewhat of a logical fallacy, in that they were trying to justify the "flavours" without referring to the standard model calculations (cf. ch.6 in Don Scott's "the Electric Sky"). So they did not add new information to the debate, in essence stating "electon-neutrino flux is less than total neutrino flux". Has there been any further investigation into the matter since SNO was shut down (that hyperphysics article was written before SNO finished)?

I still have a lot to learn...

Here is a link to Don Scott's chapter on the neutrino problem:
http://electric-cosmos.org/sudbury.htm

And here's another vid discussing the puzzle "Voyager I" met with as it reached the heliopause (i.e. the electromagnetic "limit" of the heliosphere).
[video=youtube;98GdebTOIak]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GdebTOIak[/video]

Accompanying article from Dr. Scott discussing the data:
http://electric-cosmos.org/NewsRelease102012.pdf

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It sure looks curiously like the effect of an electric field at the grounding plane...

Strange, I can't edit the posts and the chart has gone missing. Well, here's a larger time frame look at Voyager 1's data.



I have also stumbled onto an excellent issue of Progress in Physics journal.
It has a great collection of papers from Pierre-Marie Robitaille discussing the nature of the sun. I haven't gone through all the papers yet (in fact I am working on an old Russian paper ( 1948 ) at the moment from Kozyrev that wasn't translated until 2005 IIRC). But the Robitaille paper on "granulation" has some good background on the history of that particular subject. Nice pics, too.

http://ptep-online.com/index_files/issues.html

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