The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

greg nr

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Jesus Christ, where in the fuck do you think you live? Get a grip, too many people know about this and there ain't no going back or sweeping it under the rug. Donald is fucked and it's just a question of how fucked the republicans are, if they tried to pull of this extra legal shit you describe they would be hunted like animals in the end. Remember where you live, your heritage and history, it will take a fuck of a lot more than Donald Trump and a bunch of con men and losers to wipe it away. Donald will die in jail and anybody who helps him to avoid it will end up there too.

I'm in the maritime provinces of Canada, far away from the US border, yet I can see the writing on the wall clearly. It says TRUMP IS FUCKED. He's freaking out about something, so I guess he's not as confident as you are about his future.
Where do I think I live?

In a country where we are governed by a constitution. You might try reading it. It is the root of every power that exists in this country, and from those powers come our laws and the regulations that govern our society.

That constitution grants the potus virtually unlimited power. Really, it's easy to understand. The one limit to his or her (not yet unfortunately) power is that congress can impeach them if they abuse those powers.

However, if congress doesn't act, there is literally no other avenue of action under the constitution.

Sure, we like to believe no person is above the law, but it isn't true. One person is. And we are constitutionally powerless to do anything about it.

The one thing that has prevented that nightmare from happening in the past has been the character of the potus themselves. Up until now, nobody has been corrupt enough to smash the rule of law piece by piece. But now this potus is.

So you can throw all the Canadian logic you want at this, but it just doesn't apply.

To spell it out, to be convicted a prosecutor has to charge you and take you to trial. The potus has the power to fire any prosecutor he chooses, for any reason. He could literally fire every prosecutor that picks up a case involving him or anyone else. He can order evidence destroyed. He can pardon anyone for any federal offense.

State charges? Those need prosecutors also, and they might have a hard time pressing a case after they have been indicted for some trumped up federal crimes.

He literally can order people killed. All he needs is someone willing to carry out those orders. Do you really doubt those people exist?

This pit has no bottom. I'm not willing to say what will happen down that dark, bloody road. Most of us won't see the other end. But nothing will change.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Where do I think I live?

In a country where we are governed by a constitution. You might try reading it. It is the root of every power that exists in this country, and from those powers come our laws and the regulations that govern our society.

That constitution grants the potus virtually unlimited power. Really, it's easy to understand. The one limit to his or her (not yet unfortunately) power is that congress can impeach them if they abuse those powers.

However, if congress doesn't act, there is literally no other avenue of action under the constitution.

Sure, we like to believe no person is above the law, but it isn't true. One person is. And we are constitutionally powerless to do anything about it.

The one thing that has prevented that nightmare from happening in the past has been the character of the potus themselves. Up until now, nobody has been corrupt enough to smash the rule of law piece by piece. But now this potus is.

So you can throw all the Canadian logic you want at this, but it just doesn't apply.

To spell it out, to be convicted a prosecutor has to charge you and take you to trial. The potus has the power to fire any prosecutor he chooses, for any reason. He could literally fire every prosecutor that picks up a case involving him or anyone else. He can order evidence destroyed. He can pardon anyone for any federal offense.

State charges? Those need prosecutors also, and they might have a hard time pressing a case after they have been indicted for some trumped up federal crimes.

He literally can order people killed. All he needs is someone willing to carry out those orders. Do you really doubt those people exist?

This pit has no bottom. I'm not willing to say what will happen down that dark, bloody road. Most of us won't see the other end. But nothing will change.
Technically you are correct, but you forget that members of the house have home districts, town hall meetings and coming elections. Extra legal bullshit and shenanigans in the house will be meet by criminal charges after the midterms, Nunes would do hard time. The GOP would split and I'm sure some GOP senators would go independant since the republican brand wouldn't be worth shit in most parts of the country.

The last few elections should have given the GOP a hint of what awaits in the midterms, if they go along with Trump burning the DOJ to the ground and firing Rosenstein and Mueller, a rout will turn into a slaughter of the elephants. The midterms will be just the beginning of the rapid decline of the GOP if they go down with Donald, 2020 would see a republican bloodbath in the senate and incumbents never lose there.

Governing the country will become impossible until the midterms if Mitch and Paul don't act on Trump if he goes on a firing frenzy in the DOJ. Controlling Trump would be impossible for Mitch and Paul if they let him get away with burning down the DOJ, Washington would resemble Hell and the GOP the tormented.

You have a constitution, but you also have values, history, heritage and brains. Yer ancestors never fought for freedom to have Donald Trump wipe his ass with the constitution.
 
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Sour Wreck

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i think we now understand why moderate republicans are fleeing the party. looks like trump intends to challenge congress to stop him. i have no faith in the bought fuckers in congress. its going to get fucking ugly.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald hired his very best legal help yet to deal with the Cohen NYC raid and his campaign contributors are gonna pay bigly. I hope they charge him far too much money and required a substantial deposit. Dunno what Donald will think about this, but he'd use it as an excuse not to pay!
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Lawrence: What President Donald Trump Doesn't Know About His New Legal Reps | The Last Word | MSNBC
Lawrence reports that the law firm representing Trump in the Michael Cohen legal proceedings is led by two lawyers who called for the appointment of a special counsel after Trump fired James Comey.
 

greg nr

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Technically you are correct, but you forget that members of the house have home districts, town hall meetings and coming elections. Extra legal bullshit and shenanigans in the house will be meet by criminal charges after the midterms, Nunes would do hard time. The GOP would split and I'm sure some GOP senators would go independant since the republican brand wouldn't be worth shit in most parts of the country.

The last few elections should have given the GOP a hint of what awaits in the midterms, if they go along with Trump burning the DOJ to the ground and firing Rosenstein and Mueller, a rout will turn into a slaughter of the elephants. The midterms will be just the beginning of the rapid decline of the GOP if they go down with Donald, 2020 would see a republican bloodbath in the senate and incumbents never lose there.

Governing the country will become impossible until the midterms if Mitch and Paul don't act on Trump if he goes on a firing frenzy in the DOJ. Controlling Trump would be impossible for Mitch and Paul if they let him get away with burning down the DOJ, Washington would resemble Hell and the GOP the tormented.

You have a constitution, but you also have values, history, heritage and brains. Yer ancestors never fought for freedom to have Donald Trump wipe his ass with the constitution.
Sorry, I'm just not seeing a lot of clear sky here. It's like when I'm a 100 miles out to sea in a small boat and the weather changes slightly. It can be sunny and calm, with a mild sw wind, and all of a sudden the wind will shift to the ne, pick up mildly, the temp drops, and clouds appear. I know I'm about to be in the shit without ever checking the sat wx screen. I've seen it go from flat ass calm to 10' breaking seas in an hour. It doesn't really matter if it's an unforecast localized "weather event" or a larger front that moved in quicker than expected. Life is about to be at risk, and there isn't a damn thing you can except strap everything and everyone down and crawl home.

But if you like drama, the Palmer Report is saying that a YUUUUGE story is about to drop at the WP. It's apparently what set trump off last night and this morning.

My recommendation is to rig for heavy weather. Anything that can move will be smashed on the deck before this is done. A lot of shite is gonna get broke. Hopefully we will be around to tell our own stories.
 
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Justin-case

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Donald hired his very best legal help yet to deal with the Cohen NYC raid and his campaign contributors are gonna pay bigly. I hope they charge him far too much money and required a substantial deposit. Dunno what Donald will think about this, but he'd use it as an excuse not to pay!
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Lawrence: What President Donald Trump Doesn't Know About His New Legal Reps | The Last Word | MSNBC
Lawrence reports that the law firm representing Trump in the Michael Cohen legal proceedings is led by two lawyers who called for the appointment of a special counsel after Trump fired James Comey.
Lol, he might be better off with a public defender.
 

greg nr

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Lol, he might be better off with a public defender.
That's the problem with ethical lawyers. They will represent you to the best of their ability REGARDLESS of how much of a disgusting pig you are. They will do it even if they KNOW you are guilty of the worst crimes imaginable. Regardless of politics, or emotions, or religious convictions.

They will unfortunately do a very good job. They (this team) are the BEST at what they do. The only way they will cut and run is if trump presents them with an ethical crisis, which shouldn't take long. They won't be able to represent him if they know he is lying to the court. They won't do or participate in anything illegal; even passively. They expect to be paid on time.

Those last three are a problem for trump, even if his campaign contributors are paying the bills.
 

greg nr

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More evidence of treason. Why do we need hear about this from RT? It's like they are hitting spanky with a rolled up magazine...

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/russian-news-agencies-say-us-told-moscow-no-new-sanctions-now/

Russian news agencies say US told Moscow no new sanctions for now

Russian news agencies reported on Wednesday that U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration had informed the Russian embassy in Washington that the United States had no immediate plans to impose new sanctions.

Relations between Moscow and Washington are in focus after the United States imposed fresh sanctions on Russia in early April, triggering a massive sell-off on Russian markets and raising global geopolitical tensions to a new level.

“I can confirm that the United States has informed the Russian embassy that there will be no new sanctions for now,” TASS cited a source in the Russian foreign ministry as saying.

Interfax, TASS and RIA agencies published similar reports at the same time, citing one source at the Russian foreign ministry.

Interfax said the Russian embassy in Washington received a letter from the Trump administration, while RIA said it was a notification.

The reports moved the market, helping the rouble pair losses, and echoed previous statements by a senior U.S. administration official on Monday that Trump had delayed imposing fresh penalties.

This official said Trump was concerned that immediately imposing more sanctions, on the heels of last weekend’s U.S.-led strike against Russian-backed Assad, would interfere with his efforts to negotiate agreements with Russian President Vladimir Putin on combating Islamic extremism, policing the internet and other issues.

more....​
 

greg nr

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i think we now understand why moderate republicans are fleeing the party. looks like trump intends to challenge congress to stop him. i have no faith in the bought fuckers in congress. its going to get fucking ugly.
There are a few quotes floating where republicans are saying the party left them. That is much more significant since it can impact a lot more people if the feeling is pervasive. It's a meme we should push.
 

greg nr

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And it begins..... Lets forget for the moment there is zero evidence that any laws were broken.

House Republicans calling on Jeff Sessions to prosecute eight of Trump’s political foes

Nearly a dozen House Republicans have signed on to a letter calling for the Justice Department to prosecute eight of President Donald Trump’s political enemies.

The letter issued Wednesday morning urging Attorney General Jeff Sessions to open investigations — and then prosecutions of eight former government or law enforcement officials who have drawn the president’s ire over the past three years.

The lawmakers called on Sessions to investigate Hillary Clinton, former FBI director James Comey and his former deputy Andrew McCabe, former attorney general Loretta Lynch and former acting attorney general Sally Yates, former acting assistant attorney general Dana Boente, and FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

The letter was signed by GOP representatives Ron DeSantis (R-FL), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Dave Brat (R-VA), Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Paul Gosar (R-WY), Andy Harris (R-MD), Jody Hice (R-GA), Todd Rokita (R-IN), Claudia Tenney (R-NY) and Ted Yoho (R-FL).
 

DIY-HP-LED

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And it begins..... Lets forget for the moment there is zero evidence that any laws were broken.

House Republicans calling on Jeff Sessions to prosecute eight of Trump’s political foes

Nearly a dozen House Republicans have signed on to a letter calling for the Justice Department to prosecute eight of President Donald Trump’s political enemies.

The letter issued Wednesday morning urging Attorney General Jeff Sessions to open investigations — and then prosecutions of eight former government or law enforcement officials who have drawn the president’s ire over the past three years.

The lawmakers called on Sessions to investigate Hillary Clinton, former FBI director James Comey and his former deputy Andrew McCabe, former attorney general Loretta Lynch and former acting attorney general Sally Yates, former acting assistant attorney general Dana Boente, and FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

The letter was signed by GOP representatives Ron DeSantis (R-FL), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Dave Brat (R-VA), Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Paul Gosar (R-WY), Andy Harris (R-MD), Jody Hice (R-GA), Todd Rokita (R-IN), Claudia Tenney (R-NY) and Ted Yoho (R-FL).
Look who didn't sign it, where is Louie Gohmert (R-TX), Where is Devin Nunes (R-CA), how about Trey Gowdy (R-SC)! I'm shocked. Maybe some former members of congress will have a letter to the DOJ written about them after the midterms. All will be interviewed by the FBI because crimes have been alleged, who's idea was this and where is the evidence. This was Trump's idea from beginning to end and there is no evidence or probable cause.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Sorry, I'm just not seeing a lot of clear sky here. It's like when I'm a 100 miles out to sea in a small boat and the weather changes slightly. It can be sunny and calm, with a mild sw wind, and all of a sudden the wind will shift to the ne, pick up mildly, the temp drops, and clouds appear. I know I'm about to be in the shit without ever checking the sat wx screen. I've seen it go from flat ass calm to 10' breaking seas in an hour. It doesn't really matter if it's an unforecast localized "weather event" or a larger front that moved in quicker than expected. Life is about to be at risk, and there isn't a damn thing you can except strap everything and everyone down and crawl home.

But if you like drama, the Palmer Report is saying that a YUUUUGE story is about to drop at the WP. It's apparently what set trump off last night and this morning.

My recommendation is to rig for heavy weather. Anything that can move will be smashed on the deck before this is done. A lot of shite is gonna get broke. Hopefully we will be around to tell our own stories.
Both my parents were Newfoundlanders from the outports and I live in a fishing community, we also share a climate. Worked for a short spell in my youth on a dragger for a couple of trips, never felt comfortable looking up at the waves, as the bow rises in rough weather.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald Trump’s ‘kakistocracy’ is not the first, but it’s revived an old word

“kakistocracy”, Definition: “Government by the worst people.”

André Spicer
When John Brennan used a 17th-century word to describe the US presidency, Twitter went wild – but what does it mean?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/18/donald-trump-kakistocracy-john-brennan-us-twitter

Rarely does an ancient Greek portmanteau word spark a Twitterstorm. But that’s what happened when the former director of the CIA John Brennan took to Twitter and accused Donald Trump of running a “kakistocracy”. This tweet sparked a 13,700% increase in people looking up the word using the online version of the Merriam Webster dictionary. These curious souls would have found a terse definition: “Government by the worst people.”

The first recorded use of kakistocracy was in a sermon, delivered in 1644 by Paul Gosnold. His audience was the “King’s parliament” assembled in Oxford during the English civil war to support the monarchist cause. Gosnold warned of the dire consequences if “our well-temperd Monarchy” descended “into a mad kinde of Kakistocracy”. The term lay fallow for nearly 200 years, until it was revived by the 19th-century English satirist Thomas Love Peacock. In The Misfortunes of Elfin, he mocks the “agrestic kakistocracy” of his time, which treated “treading on old foot-paths, picking up dead wood, and moving on the face of the earth within sound of the whirr of a partridge” as “heinous sins”.

The word soon found fertile soil in the United States, where in 1838, William Harper, a US senator and defender of slavery, claimed that anarchy was a kind of kakistocracy. Decades later, in 1876, the American poet James Russell Lowell asked: “Is ours a ‘government of the people by the people for the people,’ or a Kakistocracy rather, for the benefit of knaves at the cost of fools?”

The term was not just limited to the US. In an account of his travels to Australia, the English writer John Martineau, describes the remarkably poor quality of government there. In the 1869 publication Letters from Australia, he documents the poor quality civil service, the self-serving politicians and the remarkably coarse political debate. He wonders whether these new colonies would become a kakistocracy.

Early users of the term often counterpose it against aristocracy. For them, aristocracy was government by the most excellent in skills, knowledge and virtue. In contrast, kakistocracy was government by the unskilled, unknowledgeable and unvirtuous. The word was often used to castigate some of the less savoury forces unleashed by the rise of democracy. It helped to describe the anxieties about the disorder created when “the worst” took over. Often the word was all about preserving the privileges of those assumed to be “the best” (upper-class white men). But behind it was that old conservative idea that democratic revolutions don’t necessarily unleash the best in human nature, they can also unleash the worst.

The term reappeared in the 20th century, but with a different meaning. Instead of being a term used by conservatives to describe disorder, it began to be used to signify corruption. In 1944, Time magazine described the corrupt regime run by the New Jersey Democratic party boss, Frank Hague. The magazine hoped that the introduction of voting machines had “struck a blow at the very vitals of the kakistocracy” run by Hague. It resurfaced again during the Reagan years, and was then used by right wing commentators such as Glenn Beck to attack the Obama presidency. The term has also been used to described the toxic mix of organised crime, self-interested oligarchs and a dysfunctional state in Russia during the Yeltsin era.

But it has been the election of Donald Trump to the US presidency that has driven a wider revival of use of the word. On the eve of Trump’s inauguration, the economist Paul Krugman warned: “What we’re looking at, all too obviously, is an American kakistocracy.” Six months into the presidency, the political scientist Norm Ornstein documented how constant waves of scandals around the White House led him to conclude that “kakistocracy is back, and we are experiencing it firsthand in America”.

Brennan is the only the most recent in a long line of people to dust off the term to describe what he sees as a incompetent and unethical regime. During its 450-year history, kakistocracy has mainly been used by conservatives to convey their anxieties about what happens when tradition and order are upended. Today, it is being claimed by people from across the political spectrum to describe the wicked disorder that can result when expertise and ethical judgment are aggressively and systematically pushed aside.

• André Spicer is professor of organisational behaviour at the Cass Business School at City, University of London. He is the author of the book Business Bullshit
 

greg nr

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What the actual FUCK!!!!! What did this guy hear and from whom?

Pittsburgh police are being ordered to prepare for riots if Trump fires Mueller: report

Police detectives in Pittsburgh are being ordered to prepare themselves for riots if President Donald Trump fires special counsel Robert Mueller.

An email sent out to detectives and posted online by WTAE-TV reporter Marcie Cipriani shows that Victor Joseph, the commander of the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police’s major crimes division, has sent out an alert instructing detectives to bring full riot gear with them to work in case they’re needed to put down violent protests in the wake of Mueller’s firing.


“There is a belief that President Trump will soon move to fire Special Proseutor Mueller,” Joseph writes in his email. “This would result in a large protest within 24 hours of the firing. The protest would be semi-spontaneous and more likely happen on short notice.”

It is not clear whether Joseph has some inside knowledge that would lead him to believe that Trump is planning to fire Mueller, and Cipriani is still waiting to hear back from city officials about why this warning was sent out.

Read the email for yourself below.



Marcie Cipriani

✔@MCipriani_WTAE

https://twitter.com/MCipriani_WTAE/status/986635152913780736

SOURCE: This is the email sent to Pgh detectives this morning. I am working to get a response from the city as well as additional details on the potential protests. #WTAE

11:58 AM - Apr 18, 2018
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greg nr

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and someone went there.... In response to this from mike avanati.....

Warning: As the walls close and reality sets in that the most damaging witnesses, secrets and evidence are no longer protected, fully expect the following: sheer panic, personal attacks, tirades, and distraction. But none of it will change the outcome in the end... #basta

It's over except for the tears, the jail-time, and some mysterious deaths nobody will want to seriously investigate.

John Schindler

✔@20committee


It's over except for the tears, the jail-time, and some mysterious deaths nobody will want to seriously investigate. https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/986624391357313024 …

12:05 PM - Apr 18, 2018
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Wow. I wish I didn't believe you re: "mysterious deaths." I hope ppl - Dems and Repubs alike - put aside their goddamn partisanship for three days and investigate where they need to investigate.

John Schindler

✔@20committee

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It's over except for the tears, the jail-time, and some mysterious deaths nobody will want to seriously investigate. https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/986624391357313024 …


Professional Civilian@ProCivilian2666

Wow. I wish I didn't believe you re: "mysterious deaths." I hope ppl - Dems and Repubs alike - put aside their goddamn partisanship for three days and investigate where they need to investigate.

12:10 PM - Apr 18, 2018
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When you Russify your country's politics at the top, you get the full package.

John Schindler

✔@20committee

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/986638176822362116

When you Russify your country's politics at the top, you get the full package. https://twitter.com/ProCivilian2666/status/986638015803150338 …

12:10 PM - Apr 18, 2018
 

DIY-HP-LED

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5 Things You Can Do If Trump Fires Mueller

Robert Reich explains what you can do if Trump fires Special Counsel Robert Mueller or or Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein as a step toward firing Mueller.
 

Sour Wreck

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i'm glad i'm armed. i think this shit could get ugly.

republicans are low life pieces of shit would sell democracy for power. fucking dickheads are gonna pay...
 

greg nr

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So, it turns out NY State has a law on the books that prevents a NY AG from charging someone for a crime in state court when they have been pardoned at the federal level.

That sucks.

Schneiderman is trying to get the law changed, but the state senate is not in friendly hands. That double sucks. Triple sucks actually.

It means nobody will likely be prosecuted in the trump world. Don't see any way around this unless some other state can bring charges, but since trump's businesses are based there, and his crime family lives there, it's hard to see how this can have a happy ending.
 
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