The Coming Economic Collapse... Fact or Fiction? You Decide!

The Fed is printing trillions of dollars like it is newspapers

The gov. is buying into private banks and collecting assets

the prices of gold and silver are being artificially suppressed despite market conditions

The stock markets are shitting on themselves

foreclosures and unemployment are skyrocketing

the Ameros are already being printed and shipped to china


I know my stance, but I want to hear yours.. this should be a good one

Yes, we are headed for an economic collapse. The government is trying to come up with solutions, but they are only men. In fact, the $700,000,000,000 in bailout money has been placed into the hands of many who caused the failures in the first place. This isn't the only area where the collapse will take place. Cities, Counties and States are facing bankruptcy as well, mainly due to the grossly over inflated pensions of government employees.

Vi

come one dude, AMERO'S?

WHY would the be going to china

...and every band-aid solution they impose will only make the impending crash worse.

TodayIsAGreenday said:

come one dude, AMERO'S?

WHY would the be going to china

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well basically heres the deal.. right now our national "responsibilities" is between 70-99 trillion dollars. this includes things that are not calculated in our "national debt" such as government pensions, trade deficits, social security responsibilities, govt. service programs i.e. infrastructure projects welfare etc.. the national debt is only calculated by outstanding financial instruments such as t-bills notes and bonds which is how our national debt is sold and calculated.

think about it like this... if you make 10,000 a month, and for sake of math live soley off of credit cards, and are making the minimum payments. if you continue to make your payments on time, the companies will allow your debt to grow, and give you higher limits. now lets say every month you are spending 15,000 dollars, that means every month you are creating 5,000 dollar deficit or, 60,000 dollars worth of "debt responsibility"

now lets say you have to pay ten percent interest on your debt. this means that evey year you will be paying 6,000 dollars in interest alone. if you continue to just make the minimum monthly payments, after 10 years you will be in 600,000 dollars worth of debt, paying 60,000 dollars a year in interest. after 20 years, you will be in 1.2 million dollars worth of debt and be paying your entire salary to interest alone. on the 21st year you will not be able to make the minimum monthly payments on the interest and will start to default on your payments. once this happens you will not be able to secure any more debt because you will be seen as a credit risk. at this time you will declare bankruptcy and you will lose everything.

now the reason i went into this lengthy explination is because china owns about 2.5 trillion dollars worth of the national debt in tbills and notes as well as currency surplus due to the offbalance of trade. when we default on our loans china is going to want something for it right?

plus the way that our gov. is printing and spending money is going to create hyperinflation and turn our money into nothing in the coming months.

As some of us know the NAU or north american union has been in the works for years and will create a soverign state between the us, mexico, and canada, and will throw out the national currencies and create a new currency called the amero. it will be just like the EU but with the north american countries. this is all over the place, just google it.

now, it is my theory that most americans would not accept this or like it if they knew a lot about it and was getting the media coverage it deserves. the only way that we would accept it is if we had no other choice.

i believe that this whole credit crisis and economic meltdown was calculated in an effort to devalue the dollar to near nothing, and put our national debt into default mode. once this happens, basically overnight our currency will become worthless, and will not be recognized as a tender for all debts foreign and domestic because it will no longer have the full faith and trust of the us gov. as it states on the bills. this is when the new currency will be issued, americans will grovel and accept it, they will throw out the constitution and the borders will be opened.

back to the original statement, why would ameros be going to china? they have gone over there to satisfy the 2.5 trillion dollars worth of debt for the coming months when our currency gets completely changed over.

what does this mean to us? well it basically means that overnight any cash asset such as a tbill, bond, 401k, ira, checkings, savings, mutual fund etc. will become next to worthless, and the gov will buy these notes for pennies on the dollar with the new ameros. it will almost instantly bankrupt a large portion of the middle class.

have fun!

all this information can be found using the glorious tool of google. here are some terms to check out in correspondance to this reply.

800 billion ameros to china
amero
the north american union
how is national debt calculated

not even gonna bother reading that

because its about the amero


which dosnt exist

^^^ I read it in it's entirety ... and its very sobering.

Excellent post, by the way.

Vi

Fact. It is coming- I pray the rest of you are preparing.. so much have been going on this month, hard to keep track of it all..

I don't think they'll call it the Amero anymore- that name has been ousted.. from how The Powers That Be have been acting as of late, I wouldn't be surprised if they skip the centralized north American currency and go straight to a more global currency.. they've been screaming for 'global economic leadership and collaboration' all freakin' month..

wow i hope you guys are wrong

nothing to do but wait, not preparing, preparing for what?

fema death camps? pfffffft

i honestly dont think the government is out to fuck us THAT hard... and if they are, then well... i guess thats my fault for not buying into some of the more crazier conspiracy theories out there

You don't have to be a 'conspiracy theorist' to get prepared.. (which today seems to cover any opinion someone comes to from self research not supported by those that have done zero).. most of those that I know personally who are preparing are just country folk who goto church and live simply, most have never even heard the phrase 'new world order' lol, but they know something is up..

Fema's own website suggests you have stored food and cash on hand.. I'm not about to argue with them.. lol..

Maybe you don't have the responsibilities like I do.. but, I'm responsible for taking care of my family, I can't risk that on what I 'hope'.. rather be safe than sorry..

I don't see anyway that we won't be hit with massive inflation. With that in mind, a prudent person, especially a person responsible for a family, should start stocking up on basic food and supplies. There are plenty of good survival sites on the Net that teaches how and what to buy ... and how to store it.

Here's something I found on the Net:

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches



Vi

TodayIsAGreenday said:

not even gonna bother reading that

because its about the amero


which dosnt exist

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ignorance is bliss so they say.. the amero doesnt exist? then why are they talking about it on cnbc?

YouTube - The Amero - North American Currency

and talking about the Amero and North American Union a.k.a. SPP on CNN

YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION

YouTube - Lou Dobbs: North American Union Orwellian Brave New World

but because its not on E! or MTV news it cant be real!

keep in mind this is being talked about on some main stream media outlets which 95 percent of them are owned by the same two or three corporations...

you my friend need to do some more research and find out the facts... keeping your head in the sand keeps your ass exposed..

they talk bout the war on terror on cnn too, but that dosnt exist

Great post Vi.. that's been in my bookmarks for months.. lol..

I agree.. there is no possible way we won't see massive inflation eventually from all this money creation..

TodayIsAGreenday said:

wow i hope you guys are wrong

nothing to do but wait, not preparing, preparing for what?

fema death camps? pfffffft

i honestly dont think the government is out to fuck us THAT hard... and if they are, then well... i guess thats my fault for not buying into some of the more crazier conspiracy theories out there

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also, and not meaning to pick on ya greenday, but the fema camps are real, you can find them all over the place, just google fema camps and the state you are in.. theres plenty of videos on you tube, and they all have the same characteristics... barbed wire to keep people IN not out, train tracks that run through the facility.. some even have industrial incenerators.. scary i know.

also some thing to check out is the georgia guidestones which were built in the 70s by a guy who represented a group of anonymous investors.. basically it says the goal is to bring the world population down to 500,000 unite the world courts and some other crazy shit.. it is in all of the great ancient languages like heiroglyphs, greek, babylonian etc..

Georgia Guidestones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ted turner advocates these beliefs and has amassed millions of acres of land in wyoming and has donated billions of dollars to gov. agencies such as the united nations which is (i believe) the framework for the global government. he is also a student of eugenics which is a scary concept in itself.

Ted Turner Confronted on Population Control noworldsystem.com

also david rockafeller whos father along with the morgan family started the federal reserve (which is a privately held corporation) states his crimes against america openly this is a quote from page 405. i bolded what i consider the important part

For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. -David Rockefeller

lovely!

FLo

TodayIsAGreenday said:

they talk bout the war on terror on cnn too, but that dosnt exist

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ahh my friend but there is a war on terror. it does exist but not in the terms that it is described to us.

constitutionally speaking only congress has the right to declare war on a country and initiate troop deployment to said country.

well terrorism is not a place, it is not a country, it has no face, it has no leader, it is constantly changing and therefore is a war that can never be won. also this means that the executive branch, our commander and chief aka the president has exclusive rights to declare and fight this war. it is basically a constitutional loophole that has been vigorously exploited by the bush administration.

so there is a war on terror, its just not on terrorists. it is more like a war to instill terror into the minds and hearts of anyone in the way of american interests. which is why we are globally hated!

Go team usa!!

FLo

Maybe the whole 2012 "end of the world" is really going to be the end of the world as we are used to. Could that be when the big collapse will be?

I suggest books on herbs, healing herbs. Most all of my landscaping is either edible or medicinal. I also collect camping gear and kerosene lamps. May as well collect things that are useful.

i know if seen all of this ive researched alot of things...

too each his own man you believe that were all going to be exterminated nazi death camp style by the worlds governments to create a new world order and that our governement is deliberletly fucking us over from all of our money and investments

(i admit they didnt to a good job with the economy)

and that this would actually happen



yes i know the war on terror is a real war but not on terror, but just because something is on the NEWS, the biggest media source controlled by the government, dosnt mean its true, cnn reported that al gore won the 2000 election

Have you ever seen a movie called "wag the dog" ? If you haven't maybe you should.

FLoJo said:

ahh my friend but there is a war on terror. it does exist but not in the terms that it is described to us.

constitutionally speaking only congress has the right to declare war on a country and initiate troop deployment to said country.

well terrorism is not a place, it is not a country, it has no face, it has no leader, it is constantly changing and therefore is a war that can never be won. also this means that the executive branch, our commander and chief aka the president has exclusive rights to declare and fight this war. it is basically a constitutional loophole that has been vigorously exploited by the bush administration.

so there is a war on terror, its just not on terrorists. it is more like a war to instill terror into the minds and hearts of anyone in the way of american interests. which is why we are globally hated!

Go team usa!!

FLo

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I couldn't agree with you more Flo! This whole "war on terror" is BS just like the "war on MJ" is. Nothing but demogaugery, doulble talk, and lies! Very, very expensive and harmful lies.