The 12-12 From Seed Thread

ChroniklesOfTheDankSide

ChroniklesOfTheDankSide

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I've got more than plenty of space, You can see my grow journal i just started ( https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/728816-chroniks-first-indoor-grow.html )
That is the Veg Box i made, and the Flowering Box i'm making will go into my closet ( Didn't realize how big my closet was till i cleaned it out lol )

I'm gonna be ordering new lights next week, considering the lights i have now, will barely grow 1 of these babies, let alone 7 lol.
Gonna be getting a nice 80$ Full Spectrum light, one for veg and one for flowering :D
 
Javadog

Javadog

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I did not see it mentioned Chron, but the "fs" refers to "from seed",
as in the title of this Thread.

Good luck,

JD
 
BeastGrow

BeastGrow

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Hi ya'll!

Doing a small closet grow using CFLS.

(1) 55 Watt warm white CFL... 3800 Lumens
(3) 26 Watt warm white CFL... 1750 Lumens each
(3) 23 Watt warm white CFL... 1600 Lumens each
Total: 202 Watts

Currently running 5 plants...
DNA Genetics Lemon OG Kush
World of Seeds Afghan Kush
Delicious Seeds Northern Light Blue
Female Seeds Bubblegummer
Female Seeds C99

Bubblegummer and C99 are about 2.5 weeks old and the other 3 are about 10 days old.

Northern light blue has a 1 gallon container.
C99 and bubblegummer will be getting aprox 2 gallon containers.
Afghan Kush and Lemon OG kush will be staying in their quarter gallon containers.

Still might add another 23 or 55 watts of CFL

I know its not 12-12 from seed but 2 week veg is pretty close.. takes longer than 2 weeks for a seed to mature anyways...

12-12 started yesterday 9-23 for these plants.


So far C99 is pretty open growing sativa and Bubblegummer is a dense jungle indica... both about 6 inches and have 11 or more tops a piece.. lemon og, afghan kush, and NL blue are all still only working on their first sets of true leaves so can't say much about them yet..
 
gandalf the beige

gandalf the beige

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  • Hey im growing in a PC box 1 plant the space is half square foot i got a 23w 1,600 lumen light and was thinking of adding a 13 watt UVB gonna 12/12 from seed too finish, is 13 watt uvb too much too have on half the time with the plant? whats you guys thoughts?​


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B166ER420

B166ER420

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gandalf the beige said:

  • Hey im growing in a PC box 1 plant the space is half square foot i got a 23w 1,600 lumen light and was thinking of adding a 13 watt UVB gonna 12/12 from seed too finish, is 13 watt uvb too much too have on half the time with the plant? whats you guys thoughts?​


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I would use 5000k bulbs if you can and you wouldn't need that uvb bulb until it starts to flower.GL
 
ChroniklesOfTheDankSide

ChroniklesOfTheDankSide

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Yea, if your using a 23w 1,600 Lumen, thats a 2700k Bulb, Which emits red spectrum light ( Which is mainly for the flowering stage. Don't worry, i made this mistake to when i was setting up my grow )

That one CFL Will be sufficient for about 2-3 weeks from seed. Then i'd suggest getting 6500k ( Not 5500k, cause anything from 3000 - 5500k doesnt emit the right kind of light you'll want, even if they say its a daylight bulb, or full spectrum. )

You'll want 3-4 of those bulbs for 1 plant. ( What im gonna be doing is using 1 23w 2700k, 1,750 lumens and 2 40w 6500k bulbs for the first month, and gradually exchange the 2 6500's for 2700's )

Keep in mind, the sun emits 10,000 Lumens, so 1 1,600 Lumen bulb is like, sun in the shade ya know?

( I'm going to be getting these http://www.homedepot.com/p/TCP-68-Watt-300W-Soft-White-CFL-Light-Bulb-28968RP/100676712#.UkJNjdLrzEg )
4,200 Lumens, and they are realllllly cheap.
 
B166ER420

B166ER420

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ChroniklesOfTheDankSide said:
Yea, if your using a 23w 1,600 Lumen, thats a 2700k Bulb, Which emits red spectrum light ( Which is mainly for the flowering stage. Don't worry, i made this mistake to when i was setting up my grow )

That one CFL Will be sufficient for about 2-3 weeks from seed. Then i'd suggest getting 6500k ( Not 5500k, cause anything from 3000 - 5500k doesnt emit the right kind of light you'll want, even if they say its a daylight bulb, or full spectrum. )

You'll want 3-4 of those bulbs for 1 plant. ( What im gonna be doing is using 1 23w 2700k, 1,750 lumens and 2 40w 6500k bulbs for the first month, and gradually exchange the 2 6500's for 2700's )

Keep in mind, the sun emits 10,000 Lumens, so 1 1,600 Lumen bulb is like, sun in the shade ya know?

( I'm going to be getting these http://www.homedepot.com/p/TCP-68-Watt-300W-Soft-White-CFL-Light-Bulb-28968RP/100676712#.UkJNjdLrzEg )
4,200 Lumens, and they are realllllly cheap.
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Not trying to be rude but your wrong.For veg stage you can use 5000k,6500k or even 10,000k t5....I recommend 5000k cfls thru veg until you see pistils THEN switch to 2700k,3000 or even 4000k,if that's all you can find.Its always best to use a mixed spectrum of light.As an example,when vegging use three 23w 5000k and one 23w 2700k.Do just the opposite for flower and all is good.The sun puts out waaayyyy more than 10,000 lumens,thats just what reaches earth.5000 lumens would be like being in the shade,1600 would be like being inside.The suns avg lumens on the surface are about 7000 lumens...I think.....Im no expert no-it-all,that's just what I know:)PEACE
 
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Dr Pepper Bud

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nameno said:
600w hps bubbleponics I got in between 3 & 4 oz it was my best yet,I grew nl before this grow 2 of them & only got 3 total. My bad though I stunted them.

GG & HY To All!
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Awesome I'm running 6 hempy's under a 600w and its my first grow so I will probably get less than that, but id be very happy with 2 oz a plant thanks!
 
gandalf the beige

gandalf the beige

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I have herd that too grow healthy plant you require around 7,000 lumens per square foot, my space is half a square foot, does that imply that i would only need too use a 3,5k-4k lumens? or does the plant really need 7k lumens minimum no matter the size of the space?
 
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Dr Pepper Bud

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supchaka said:
dont know about lumens per foot but I have "heard" of 40-50 watts per sq foot.
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Watts per square foot is relative to the lighting being used where as lumens is universal because most grow lights typically list how many lumens they have per bulb/watt. I would try to go above the minimum, and I have read between 5k-7k lumens per square foot so if I were you I would get bulb/s to equal somewhere between 5k-10k lumens total for the space you have even more depending on what lighting you are using I would guess CFL's in that small of a place? If using CFL's I would get a 3-5 40watt (give or take a few watts) and you should be good for one plant.
If you wanted to figure out how many watts you need for CFL's I have read ~150w for one plant and an additional ~50w per plant. I have an HPS/MH lamp, but plan on using cfl's for my future clone room. Again it is all relative to the lighting being used.
This information is based on research and there may be someone here with more hands on experience that can give you a better answer this is just my 2cents. Thanks.
 
gandalf the beige

gandalf the beige

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thanks, i baught myself a HID 150w for flowering since ill do the 12/12 its got fucking 15k lumens and 2,1k kelvin! for half square foot! hopfully ill get a realllllllly healthy plant!! you guys prolly dont do straight 12/12 from seed you must have a like 1-5 day vedging periodright i was thinking of doing 5 days, also was scared that HID light is going too get too hot for my space with lcd its allready 26-27 C
 
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Dr Pepper Bud

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gandalf the beige said:
thanks, i baught myself a HID 150w for flowering since ill do the 12/12 its got fucking 15k lumens and 2,1k kelvin! for half square foot! hopfully ill get a realllllllly healthy plant!! you guys prolly dont do straight 12/12 from seed you must have a like 1-5 day vedging periodright i was thinking of doing 5 days, also was scared that HID light is going too get too hot for my space with lcd its allready 26-27 C
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HID should produce a good healthy plant and 150w should be enough for one smaller plant. People on this thread do 12/12 from seed with no veg period there is still technically a veg period, but not a veg light cycle. Which is the same as you are planning and a lot of people here have had good results I just started a 12/12 form seed grow under 600w hps. I have an air cooled hood with a 400CFM inline fan attached to my light, but that is also a 600w I don't know what ventilation would be necessary for a 150w I would think a table fan in the room would keep the heat low as long as you keep the plant at least a foot from the bulb at all times, but if heat does become a problem my air cooled hood is cold to the touch right now dialed down to 300w for seedlings.
 
supchaka

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Early males typically means they are the strongest because they are ready to reproduce sooner, and in my book, a better choice for breeding. Theres other factor to consider, such as the pheno you are looking for of course. Which if you breed from the first plant, the first sex, you really cant tell what you're getting. To get the BEST male you would clone them then grow them out for an extended amount of time to see what they really do.
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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johnnyseed412 said:
Why not? Whats the difference between later showing males than early??
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I think u want to use recessive males for breeding, the ones that show sex after the females and that look runt like... that's my understanding anyway. Supchaka thinks the opposite ... in the end i don't think it really makes a difference for pollen chucking.
 
glockdoc

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GreenSanta said:
I think u want to use recessive males for breeding, the ones that show sex after the females and that look runt like... that's my understanding anyway. Supchaka thinks the opposite ... in the end i don't think it really makes a difference for pollen chucking.
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really? i have larry og growing atm, it was bagseed from some very metallic-sour smelling/tasting stuff. great thing is i know the grower and i asked him what seeded the bud. took him 3 seconds and he recalled that at the time 3 things had hermied that it could be... another larry had hermd as well as an og kush and last blue dream diesel. i have 2-3 seeds from that batch and 3 growing at the moment. 2 are fems and one is a male. a runt compared to the fems(nice size though) and it showed sex after the fems did.. i plan on keeping pollen from it seeing theres 2 seeds left. all i know is i see what ur saying lol and i believe your on to something. i swear some of the best strains could be recessive plants. but in terms of breeding to replicate these "gems" its easier doing it with dominate traits. i could be wrong but thats just IMO
 
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