THC as fuel

Surely you must at least have a degree in organic chemistry... right?

You can't learn chemistry, engineering, or math in the field....

CryForMeSky said:

No i didnt get it cause my former supervisor sucked a owners dick enough to get it and bad mouthed me. He doesnt have a engineering degree.

Also that has to be the most retard statement i have ever read. Scratch im insulting the mentaling impaired.

FACT: Just cause you read every book on growing dank ass cannabis and spend 4 years with the budda of growing. Yet never touch a single spade or pot. You never sprout a single seed. Doesnt mean you can grow dank ass cannabis. Hell doesnt mean you could grow anything.

Nothing beats hands on experience. Nothing. Anyone can tell you that. School teachs you nothing but how to learn.

So what you think just cause a doctor goes to college and gets his doctrine. Doesnt mean he knows exactly how to handle every known disease, cancer or injury. Hell they still have to intern after college for so many years.

So please next time you think of speaking on my thread please do the following.

First open mouth. Then take foot. Then with mouth open insert foot.

Good day sir

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Actually you can its called a textbook, trial and error and research. Our senoir engineers both never have stepped a single foot in a class room for engineering. They did their own research and learned through trial and error.

I am sorry however about the earlier post. Still alittle raw about the whole thing.

Did any body mention that they already do this with Green algae in pool's of water and turn it into high octane fuel? It's kinda cheaper then growing pot, i mean they just throw some into the next pool, and they dont plan on giving ya to much of a price break?

Yes and used cooking oil as well. The problem with algae is how much pressure it takes to extract the crude oil from it. It takes several tons of force to crack open the algae cell walls. It also takes huge amounts that only scientists have the ability to grow and harvest. If we tried all we would get is alot of green goo. Unless you had the extra money laying around to buy the half a million dollar machine it takes to process it. Your average joe couldnt make any use of it. Where as cannabis anyone could make their own fuel.

CryForMeSky said:

Yes and used cooking oil as well. The problem with algae is how much pressure it takes to extract the crude oil from it. It takes several tons of force to crack open the algae cell walls. It also takes huge amounts that only scientists have the ability to grow and harvest. If we tried all we would get is alot of green goo. Unless you had the extra money laying around to buy the half a million dollar machine it takes to process it. Your average joe couldnt make any use of it. Where as cannabis anyone could make their own fuel.

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Right ...But any one with tig/mig skills could weld there own SS vessel's and put POV's on the system......Just seem's like over the long haul the money spent would be saved vs what it would cost in upkeep and maintenance of pot

Which textbooks did you read?

Engineers can't learn math through trial and error. Are you saying you actually sat down with a calculus book, diff eqs book, linear algebra book, etc, assigning yourself homework and exams for 4 years?

Did you go through all the formal lab experiments in your self taught chemistry courses? Where are your writeup? For a chemistry expert (polymers), you should have more than just hands on experience.

I think you're confusing engineering with engineering technology. A pure engineer is very theoretical while engineering tech is hands on.

CryForMeSky said:

Actually you can its called a textbook, trial and error and research. Our senoir engineers both never have stepped a single foot in a class room for engineering. They did their own research and learned through trial and error.

I am sorry however about the earlier post. Still alittle raw about the whole thing.

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WHODAT@THADOR said:

Right ...But any one with tig/mig skills could weld there own SS vessel's and put POV's on the system......Just seem's like over the long haul the money spent would be saved vs what it would cost in upkeep and maintenance of pot

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True unless the the cannabis was grown in a feild. Theres not much to it then just fertilize then spray for pests and your done. Nothing to it. I grew up growing sweet corn in our feilds. There wasnt much to it.

Churchhaze did you or are trying to become a engineer? Or are you one and just mad someone didnt have to waste 20 grand on a hyped up education. Sure you can get a better job but you can learn all that shit on your own if you really wanted to.

The process of making crystal meth is now considered advanced chemistry. Yet high school drop out tweekers can make the shit?!?! That just shows you that if you put your time into something you can do anything. Also i never said i had a degree or did any of that shit myself. Except for a few things with operating a maching lathe. You really need to bring your a game on here churchhaze your starting to bore me.

If you ever even get around to growing that much bud I doubt you will turn it into fuel. whats the point of this thread anymore?

Weed bro.. Weed.

perdidobandito said:

If you ever even get around to growing that much bud I doubt you will turn it into fuel. whats the point of this thread anymore?

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churchhaze said:

Which textbooks did you read?

Engineers can't learn math through trial and error. Are you saying you actually sat down with a calculus book, diff eqs book, linear algebra book, etc, assigning yourself homework and exams for 4 years?

Did you go through all the formal lab experiments in your self taught chemistry courses? Where are your writeup? For a chemistry expert (polymers), you should have more than just hands on experience.

I think you're confusing engineering with engineering technology. A pure engineer is very theoretical while engineering tech is hands on.

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CryForMeSky said:

True unless the the cannabis was grown in a feild. Theres not much to it then just fertilize then spray for pests and your done. Nothing to it. I grew up growing sweet corn in our feilds. There wasnt much to it.

Churchhaze did you or are trying to become a engineer? Or are you one and just mad someone didnt have to waste 20 grand on a hyped up education. Sure you can get a better job but you can learn all that shit on your own if you really wanted to.

The process of making crystal meth is now considered advanced chemistry. Yet high school drop out tweekers can make the shit?!?! That just shows you that if you put your time into something you can do anything. Also i never said i had a degree or did any of that shit myself. Except for a few things with operating a maching lathe. You really need to bring your a game on here churchhaze your starting to bore me.

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I'll agree with the education before I became a trader I was a UA fitter(still have my book "up to date" )...and learned just as much in my appr as many Engineers I have worked with.....Engineer's don't have to all that math anymore they sit down at a computer and run CAD.I would be pleasantly surprised to see that more then half of them retained all the cool formula's they've learned..Verses hand's that use the same formula's in the field everyday.One of my latest books I have taught myself out of is J. hambidges "Element's of dynamic sym".Cover's Braun,Fib,Euclid,Plato.LOVE this book..I do agree with Crie's opinion on Chemistry however....I would say most "cookers" learned it from somebody much smarter then themselves ... JMO tho I think harvesting algae,reproducing it maintenance and the system's to refine would still be cheaper then pot feild's? $.2

WHODAT@THADOR said:

I'll agree with the education before I became a trader I was a UA fitter(still have my book "up to date" )...and learned just as much in my appr as many Engineers I have worked with.....Engineer's don't have to all that math anymore they sit down at a computer and run CAD.I would be pleasantly surprised to see that more then half of them retained all the cool formula's they've learned..Verses hand's that use the same formula's in the field everyday.One of my latest books I have taught myself out of is J. hambidges "Element's of dynamic sym".Cover's Braun,Fib,Euclid,Plato.LOVE this book..I do agree with Crie's opinion on Chemistry however....I would say most "cookers" learned it from somebody much smarter then themselves ... JMO tho I think harvesting algae,reproducing it maintenance and the system's to refine would still be cheaper then pot feild's? $.2

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Im not gonna argure the engineer thing anymore its not the right thread for it and its starting to be like a old hooker. (Not much tred left on the tires lol).

For a industrial company the algae might be more effective. But for the average farmer they would benefit from cannabis far more. Most farmers dont just raise crops but livestock as well. The resulting byproducts would be far more beneficial then the byproducts of algae. The processed colas could be used as feed as well as the leaves. The nutrient and vitamin rich water could be given to live stock or used to produce ethanol or methane. The fibers turned to anything that uses thread and the cores of the stem into hempcrete. Overall it would just be far more beneficial and useful then one sided algae. Gotta love multi tasking.

Damn it I keep getting you two confused...lol....I just had to go back up top and reread...Almost all the same argument's you just made can be reversed and used with corn and soy.....What is it that makes you think pot would be a better choice then either? Horse corn is pretty cheap(at least that's what they call it round here)

WHODAT@THADOR said:

Damn it I keep getting you two confused...lol....I just had to go back up top and reread...Almost all the same argument's you just made can be reversed and used with corn and soy.....What is it that makes you think pot would be a better choice then either? Horse corn is pretty cheap(at least that's what they call it round here)

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First please look up feild corn then look up soybean. Soybean beats corn by a landslide on nutrients for livestock and humans. But it contains toxins to the avian family so it kills soybeans. Not to mention that the leaves are toxic to all animals and humans.

Corn is just carbs thats it. The stocks are weak when dried and have no other real uses. Ethanol made from corn is okay as a additive. But it falls short as a standard fuel. It burns fast so it takes alot more and attracts water. Both would lower our land for food. Soybeans take alot of processing to turn into diesel fuel.

Cannabis swipes them all. Everything is useable. Its high in nutritional value. The resin for fuel is so easy to access that all you do is touch it and your hands are covered in it. The foliage is edible to all life. The stalks can be used. Its far more drought tolerant then corn or soybeans.

The hands down biggest advantage is that anyone can plant the seed, harvest the plant, extract the resin and crack the resin into the fuel. It boils so low you could use a couple candles for the whole process. I mean come on a brain damaged monkey could do this.

The average person wouldnt need a degree to do it. They wouldnt need heavy equipment. They wouldnt need anything more then their own two hands, a drying room, cheese cloth screens, a grinder or food processor, some metal tubing, couple candles, and some good old elbow grease and know how. Id like to see someone do that with corn or soybean. (I know corn would come pretty damn close to simplicity but falls short do to needed amounts and fermentation. Which can house some pretty lethal pathogens).

Im not sure how to explain it better till i get all the real experimenting done.

So go do it. Noone's stopping you.

By all means, I'd love to see it. Show us this paradigm shift in energy production.

All this time, it took you to point humanity in the right direction.... and the solution? It's more weed!! You've got weed on the brain!!!

My guess? Your experiment will be 'up in smoke'.

CryForMeSky said:

The hands down biggest advantage is that anyone can plant the seed, harvest the plant, extract the resin and crack the resin into the fuel. It boils so low you could use a couple candles for the whole process.

I mean come on a brain damaged monkey could do this.

The average person wouldnt need a degree to do it. They wouldnt need heavy equipment. They wouldnt need anything more then their own two hands, a drying room, cheese cloth screens, a grinder or food processor, some metal tubing, couple candles, and some good old elbow grease and know how. Id like to see someone do that with corn or soybean. (I know corn would come pretty damn close to simplicity but falls short do to needed amounts and fermentation. Which can house some pretty lethal pathogens).

Im not sure how to explain it better till i get all the real experimenting done.

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CryForMeSky said:

First please look up feild corn then look up soybean. Soybean beats corn by a landslide on nutrients for livestock and humans. But it contains toxins to the avian family so it kills soybeans. Not to mention that the leaves are toxic to all animals and humans.

Corn is just carbs thats it. The stocks are weak when dried and have no other real uses. Ethanol made from corn is okay as a additive. But it falls short as a standard fuel. It burns fast so it takes alot more and attracts water. Both would lower our land for food. Soybeans take alot of processing to turn into diesel fuel.

Cannabis swipes them all. Everything is useable. Its high in nutritional value. The resin for fuel is so easy to access that all you do is touch it and your hands are covered in it. The foliage is edible to all life. The stalks can be used. Its far more drought tolerant then corn or soybeans.

The hands down biggest advantage is that anyone can plant the seed, harvest the plant, extract the resin and crack the resin into the fuel. It boils so low you could use a couple candles for the whole process. I mean come on a brain damaged monkey could do this.

The average person wouldnt need a degree to do it. They wouldnt need heavy equipment. They wouldnt need anything more then their own two hands, a drying room, cheese cloth screens, a grinder or food processor, some metal tubing, couple candles, and some good old elbow grease and know how. Id like to see someone do that with corn or soybean. (I know corn would come pretty damn close to simplicity but falls short do to needed amounts and fermentation. Which can house some pretty lethal pathogens).

Im not sure how to explain it better till i get all the real experimenting done.

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But that argument hold's no weight your replacing food stock with pot stock and there are more non smokers then smokers.....Except head's who would wouldn't mind? What are we gonna have pot leaf salad? What's the nutritional value of pot? gonna get the livestock high? Except for the obvious reason's... I put pot and corn in same category, Ethanol may be only a additive only for fuel, but it is a simple extraction process people make simple still's @ there houses all the time...As far as bio diesel (SOY)what would go to waste the whole plant can be used in the process...They make bio diesel out of everything, including garbage ..Algae, there is your real future... The hydrocarbon's burn cleaner then any currently known fuel...Period.. ...In the end that is your true problem.....What makes you think the oil is cheaper to manufacture, and take up less space then a unicellular flagellate that can be thrown into massive gallons of water oxygenated and grow year round? Ya don't even have to clone what nute's really need to be added to water?

Solar Freaking Roadways..

Fuck all this noise. I want to drive bumper cars.. each car for themselves.

Im already ahead of the game..

ive been watching this conversation a while now, i have a degree in microbiology with a minor in inorganic chemistry. as stated above soy is the best bet for an application like this. with cannabis the time and energy it would take to grow, refine and process would be crazy, and why would anybody turn 10lbs of cannabis into a gallon of ethanol that sells for $4.00. not to be crude but i don't understand the train of thought that cannabis can do ANYTHING, i have heard it all. i really love the people that say cannabis can cure cancer lol. cannabis is not a wizard! does not cure cancer, can not be made into a viable economical fuel and wont solve all of humanities problems. i don't see people make these claims about tomato plants, just because something is good and gets u high or relieves a little pain does not give it the power of witchcraft! i think farting into an engine would be more practical to be completely honest lol. isn't cannabis just fine the way it is? as something to have fun.... something to ease pain and suffering or reduce the symptoms of horrible conditions like MS epilepsy etc? isn't that enough for one little plant? to me that still makes it an incredible plant, even a god send. you cannot turn iron into gold no matter how hard you try, even if u really really believe in your heart that it can b done. cannabis as an affordable renewable energy source for the world to use just is not feasible no matter how much u believe, its just not scientifically or economically feasible. that's the great thing about science and why i have chosen to dedicate my life to it, science is not open to interpretation, just facts!

don't get me wrong, its absolutely wonderful that you are thinking outside the box. the world needs a lot more people that aren't afraid to do that very thing. however this particular idea has no economical or scientific merit

After all this im still going to do my tests. I own livestock so i can even test feeding them with the byproducts. If it fails it fails but at least ill have the balls to do it. I even own roaches and mealworms so i can test the byproducts as feed stock for them as well. Ill divided them up feed one cannabis one soybeans and one feed grade corn and see what happens either way we will all gain alittle insight into our beloved plant. Peace.