TGA 9 Pound Hammer?

homebrewer said:

I was asking because I feel like anyone who has made a simple 1:1 f1 cross knows that the progeny are almost always a crapshoot and while there can be some STELLAR phenos to be found, no work has been done. One is essentially crossing plants and then crossing their fingers, that's not breeding.

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Why are you trying to argue?
I didn't say they did much work, so lets stop putting words in peoples mouth.

Their strains are F1, but some of the clones they're using were previously worked.
Dj short Blueberry/Cali O/Bubba kush(examples) should be less of a crap-shoot.

It's your opinion that F1 isn't breeding, but not by definition.

Selecting from sixty male plants is hard work. You have to collect pollen from sixty plants and transfer them to sixty different buds, being carfeful not to get pollen everywhere and totally negating all the hard work. Months later, you have to spend another few months growing out enough seeds to get at least one female from each of those sixty males. Then you have to evaluate at least 60 different buds against each other and/or pay for testing. Keep in mind that smell is really important but habituation means you can't just smell sixty buds in a row and make any meaningful choice. So selection is going to take some time unless you just fork over a bunch of money and go for whatever one tests the highest. Then I hope you didn't mess up any of your record keeping or tagging so you can go back to your veg room and find that one special guy out of the sixty you have hanging around.

At the same time you have to run a business, keep wholesalers supplied and happy, marketing, etc...

Seems to me TGA does plenty of hard work and probably isn't getting rich selling packs of seeds at $20-30 wholesale. I'm sure the sinsemilla they sell to the clubs goes a long way towards keeping them in the seed business.

Real F1's have very little variation.

Observe & Report said:

Selecting from sixty male plants is hard work. You have to collect pollen from sixty plants and transfer them to sixty different buds, being carfeful not to get pollen everywhere and totally negating all the hard work. Months later, you have to spend another few months growing out enough seeds to get at least one female from each of those sixty males. Then you have to evaluate at least 60 different buds against each other and/or pay for testing. Keep in mind that smell is really important but habituation means you can't just smell sixty buds in a row and make any meaningful choice. So selection is going to take some time unless you just fork over a bunch of money and go for whatever one tests the highest. Then I hope you didn't mess up any of your record keeping or tagging so you can go back to your veg room and find that one special guy out of the sixty you have hanging around.

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That's not how one would select from 60 different males and I promise you that sub has enough experience with plants to narrow down 60 males to the best 'few' just by looking at them.

I'd guess he took the males with growth patterns most similar to what he was looking for, as well as the proper stem rub and discarded the rest. I doubt any pollen was tossed during that part. The remaining plants would have to be tested and that's a long process. Sub has done some real breeding, but mostly he just tosses pollen from Space Dude on clone only varieties he likes. He has another male or two as well. People enjoy what comes from these crosses, so I can't fault that.

But I can say his practices are somewhat dangerous to the gene pool if his lines ever became overly popular. You wouldn't really want to use his gear to do much breeding with unless you wanted to do insane amounts of work stabilizing. Lacking in genetic diversity though for sure.

Does anyone have any info on 9lb hammer?

Sry but homebrewer how do I message u I have some questions on dyna gro and can't figure out how to post on ur feed or message

Behind Dark Clouds said:

Does anyone have any info on 9lb hammer?

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It's only just been released - I'd think the most likely place to look would be in the 'Subcool...' Section of RIU.

Amos Otis said:

It's only just been released - I'd think the most likely place to look would be in the 'Subcool...' Section of RIU.

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Yeah already looked there not much info, this strain was released about the time of pennywise and they already have information around about that. Thanks though for pointing me in the right direction.

Ok So this is what I have pieced together from what I have read/youtube etc..

Top early to get round bushes the lollipop to get dense nugs

very vague but its almost verbatim from single seed centre

I just got some 9pound hammer from jinxproof(not sure if Subs Hammer and jinxhammer are the same thing)so I will pop to outta 5 and let you know the results

KaiThePunisher said:

Ok So this is what I have pieced together from what I have read/youtube etc..

Top early to get round bushes the lollipop to get dense nugs

very vague but its almost verbatim from single seed centre

I just got some 9pound hammer from jinxproof(not sure if Subs Hammer and jinxhammer are the same thing)so I will pop to outta 5 and let you know the results

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Jinxproof is part of the TGA team, they are the only breeders of 9 Pound Hammer Sub doesn't make an alternate version.

gabechihua said:

Jinxproof is part of the TGA team, they are the only breeders of 9 Pound Hammer Sub doesn't make an alternate version.

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I figured that was the case but any who I am looking forward to it its better than anything in my garden right now...

KaiThePunisher said:

I figured that was the case but any who I am looking forward to it its better than anything in my garden right now...

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Just wait until you grow it to determine that, already had two 10 packs thrown away due to hermies. That was at the boss's house not mine though, I was waiting for him to bring me some of his cuttings but he scrapped everything when the balls dropped.

so this issue is that widespread eh? Im not going to chop anything down until i know for sure fingers crossed its a female...I usually have good luck
popped about 13 reg seeds and got i male one time so here to hoping

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Just wait until you grow it to determine that, already had two 10 packs thrown away due to hermies. That was at the boss's house not mine though, I was waiting for him to bring me some of his cuttings but he scrapped everything when the balls dropped.

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All females out of 20 regs hermed? Hard to imagine they'd release such a strain. Is there no way the herms were caused in the garden?

He must have created a herm-factory environment.
I agree with waiting until you grow it to completion before determining if it's worth keeping.
Testing effects/flavors required...

Amos Otis said:

All females out of 20 regs hermed? Hard to imagine they'd release such a strain. Is there no way the herms were caused in the garden?

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If all 20 were females that would mean they would be S1's and not F1's. There is no way that it could be statistically possible to produce 100% females out of regular seeds. A garden that has been well established for many years has no problems, from bugs to nute burn he knows his shit. I have never seen plants come out so healthy at the end.

I am not a master grower, if it was me I would say its my fault. But to see someone who has their shit down, and not just for one strain but multiple it doesn't make sense. There are no ; light leaks, humidity issues, temperature issues, bugs, one enters the garden but him.

While I do find it interesting that you bring up the point "hard to imagine they'd release such a strain." we also have seen many many posts of AoS throwing bananas as well as Plushberry. It is definitely nothing new for a company to release strains with hermaphroditic qualities. If that were true we wouldn't have trainwreck floating around.

hopefully soon a reliable grower will do a grow journal on this strain step-by-step with pics & the end result good bad or indifferent as im still interested in this strain i know subs stuff is kinda like playing the lotto but i have got a couple of winning tickets from him querkle & aos that went on into multiple grows which takes me back to the fact i hope somebody does a grow journal on the stuff

His Agent Orange smells so much like oranges you could rub the stem and walk up to someone and be like what is this and the first thing they always say is oranges. (did it to my two nieces who are only 3 and 7)

Poppin seeds are like buyin scratchers.

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If all 20 were females that would mean they would be S1's and not F1's. There is no way that it could be statistically possible to produce 100% females out of regular seeds. A garden that has been well established for many years has no problems, from bugs to nute burn he knows his shit. I have never seen plants come out so healthy at the end.

I am not a master grower, if it was me I would say its my fault. But to see someone who has their shit down, and not just for one strain but multiple it doesn't make sense. There are no ; light leaks, humidity issues, temperature issues, bugs, one enters the garden but him.

While I do find it interesting that you bring up the point "hard to imagine they'd release such a strain." we also have seen many many posts of AoS throwing bananas as well as Plushberry. It is definitely nothing new for a company to release strains with hermaphroditic qualities. If that were true we wouldn't have trainwreck floating around.

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I've read occasional reports also, but assuming that half of the twenty were female, then all 10 turned tranny is somewhat mindblowing to me. Not disputing your report, just commenting on the mindblowedness factor.