Testing Timber's B-lux Decor Vero fixture(1750k)= Hello beautiful SPD, finger still on the trigger

randydj

randydj

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PSUAGRO. said:
Another Philly grower, nice. How about the Snyder family getting in the med/canna game?:)...........remember I'm a lazy trimmer and didn't break down some of the large buds either; had to post something before cure. Round 2 is where I kind of have a better feel of the light and give it a proper go; also off season for me with more time on my hands.

I'm a LOS/ROLS grower, stupid easy and cheap............bottles are for beer,or wine too.what Dry ferts are you using ?

Yes, cobs from reputable manufacturers are more efficient watt to watt with proper thermal management than a Gavita 750/1000w de........it's up to your budget how much efficiency you want to gain over the hid king. sorry for the short answer and generalization; so many ways and builds to go at this; it's late too. I suggest reading up in this section.



yeah, haven't seen @alesh since that egomaniac trolled up his thread...........hopefully we can get some chilLed #s! lol
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Check out CilLeds "Report" website for numbers that surpass these.
 
bobrown14

bobrown14

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PSUAGRO. said:
Another Philly grower, nice. How about the Snyder family getting in the med/canna game?:)...........remember I'm a lazy trimmer and didn't break down some of the large buds either; had to post something before cure. Round 2 is where I kind of have a better feel of the light and give it a proper go; also off season for me with more time on my hands.

I'm a LOS/ROLS grower, stupid easy and cheap............bottles are for beer,or wine too.what Dry ferts are you using ?

Yes, cobs from reputable manufacturers are more efficient watt to watt with proper thermal management than a Gavita 750/1000w de........it's up to your budget how much efficiency you want to gain over the hid king. sorry for the short answer and generalization; so many ways and builds to go at this; it's late too. I suggest reading up in this section.
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Been reading about COBs been running them since last fall when they first came out and got a few kits from Dan @timber. I can build my own but then I'd have to do all the research... then build. I'd probably still not have any running if I went down that route.... OCD... gotta have everything right...
I get my electronics fix building and repairing vintage audio gear.. tubes still # 1 in that arena!!

Dry ferts?? No "ferts" - I run LOS soil no-til. 100% organic inputs and we make compost. Every new soil mix I send samples to Penn State AG... you guys rock. Always send me back to add a tablespoon of a few things per acre.. so pretty much perfect soil mix so all I really need to do is add water, automated so just watch for pests and IPM weekly. I was hopping the AG department would send me the "award" for best soil mix... hahahahaha Worm power FTMFW.

If I ran an 30gal pot, I would need a 20' ceiling. I run 7gal no-til, plants will get up to the lights @6' indoors, so plenty big usually @ 3.5zips dry/plant consistently even different genetics.

Snyder family into cannabis... just more drama me thinks. This whole deal in PA is total BS. But hey, for us turn and burners... its all good. Don't see any changes happening anytime soon. I'm more interested in the company from Colorado that got a license...that right there is a sign that this whole deal is being organized by BigAG/corporations. You have to have pretty deep pockets to even apply for the game ... then its politics to get a license..meh no thanks. So gotta ask how a Colorado grower gets a license in PA, and what happens when the flowers don't turn out very good in CO, are they gonna make oil and send it to PA under the covers... I bet they will, I would 100%... PA State gave that company a plan B for a bad grow in CO. Crazy...
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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bobrown14 said:
Been reading about COBs been running them since last fall when they first came out and got a few kits from Dan @timber. I can build my own but then I'd have to do all the research... then build. I'd probably still not have any running if I went down that route.... OCD... gotta have everything right...
I get my electronics fix building and repairing vintage audio gear.. tubes still # 1 in that arena!!

Dry ferts?? No "ferts" - I run LOS soil no-til. 100% organic inputs and we make compost. Every new soil mix I send samples to Penn State AG... you guys rock. Always send me back to add a tablespoon of a few things per acre.. so pretty much perfect soil mix so all I really need to do is add water, automated so just watch for pests and IPM weekly. I was hopping the AG department would send me the "award" for best soil mix... hahahahaha Worm power FTMFW.

If I ran an 30gal pot, I would need a 20' ceiling. I run 7gal no-til, plants will get up to the lights @6' indoors, so plenty big usually @ 3.5zips dry/plant consistently even different genetics.

Snyder family into cannabis... just more drama me thinks. This whole deal in PA is total BS. But hey, for us turn and burners... its all good. Don't see any changes happening anytime soon. I'm more interested in the company from Colorado that got a license...that right there is a sign that this whole deal is being organized by BigAG/corporations. You have to have pretty deep pockets to even apply for the game ... then its politics to get a license..meh no thanks. So gotta ask how a Colorado grower gets a license in PA, and what happens when the flowers don't turn out very good in CO, are they gonna make oil and send it to PA under the covers... I bet they will, I would 100%... PA State gave that company a plan B for a bad grow in CO. Crazy...
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Should have worded it better, amendments in your soil mix specifically...... yeah, psu has a good ag dept., couple dummies that graduated in my major too, most went to CA/CO; shocker. I leaned business side to avoid advanced organic chem! Lol. Great you're using the psu test kits, I think Rutgers is cheaper, don't tell anyone :) I want to guess the recent analysis, acidic and low phosphorous, n/k acceptable if it's local sources(no psnt done)? cal/mag should be solid if on the city tap. .........let's see how far off I am,probably not even close, that's why you test,ha

I kind of evolved the way I go at it, lazy method. No time for for cooking, act, aact, sst,worm farm and all that. I just use micronized plant / mineral based fert(vega). Till the medium between rounds and apply when necessary. local organic mechanix container blend is the base, no peat which I love;stable. what are you using for IPM?

I go 12/12ish from seed and use aggressive training to deal with the 30 gal in a crappy closet. No profit growing for me, stopped that long ago. I saw the license fees and nonrefundable applications and new it was game over for small fish in PA. The CO operation won't cross state lines with product for their other " legal" op, no way, too much $$$ involved for setup.

Still no smoke report on the animal kush, freezer cure is going. Lots of diesel to vape and is strong atm.............
 
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bobrown14

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My soil recipe is:

1/3 CSPM (I buy Premier brand at lowes for $10 - same exact thing from same company as Pro-Mix)
1/3 Humus (EWC + home made compost + a bag or 2 of Coast Of Main Lobster compost can find locally)
1/3 Aeration - I use per-lite since no-til - doesn't break down and doesn't float either.

To that I add:

Acadian Kelp Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot
Neem Cake and Karanja Cake 50/50 Mix @ 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crustacean Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot
Gypsum Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Brix Blend Basalt @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Glacial Rock Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Oyster Flour @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Sometimes I add in some biochar if I have it laying around.

Mix this soil up water lightly and let sit in large totes until ready. Usually I inoculate with some ACT and/or Mykes brand mycos, same shit they put in the expensive Pro-Mix (same company Premier). Tub of Mykes lasts me a year for indoors... a season outdoors.

Start out with seeds in peat... then into #2 square nursery pots then into final containers, at each transplant 1-2tbs of Mykes into hole. Veg under 3K Vero29s @ 1/2 power 20/4 then into flower Vero29s 11.5/12/5 @ full on as close as I can get to canopy which is attach lamps to ceiling and let the plants grow into them!

My last soil test was perfect everything was in spec:

soil PH was slightly low 6.8 - where I want it (don't really care micro herd will fix according to plants needs)
CaO was way above optimum - where I want it
Mg was slightly above optimum
Potash - perfect - middle of optimum
P lb/A = 162
CEC @ 18.7
Organic Matter @ 28.2%
Nitrogen % 0.85

CEC was based on max of Ca level of 15meq/100 g - I think my Ca is higher than what they used to calculate. My % saturation of the CEC for Ca was 80.1. Due to soluble Ca in the mix which is a good thing, no?
Oyster shell flower FTW!

Since I run no-til for several rounds nothing but flower cycle in this soil mix, I want a shit ton of Ca. Mg I don't care much about - plenty in soil mix and plants cant use it all.

Me thinks Cal/Mag deficiency is a stoner myth. Ca yes... don't know where the Mg deficiency comes from.. physics says impossible.

Chlorophyll = C55H72O5N4Mg <-- not much Mg there eh? If there was a deficiency, where did it go??



The Suggestion was for me to add 0.5 #s of Urea per 100 sqft of soil, and 0.5 lbs /100 sqft of 0-46-0

I tried to do some math and figure out how much by volume 0.5 lbs/100ft of soil would be.
Brain hurt so got beer and called it good.

Yeah PA is a Joke... I thought they were kidding when those rules came out. At least they didn't publish a list of likely "candidates" before the vote like they did in Ohio.... wow!

I wonder how much salary an indoor gardener; aka "professional Horticulturalist" will get paid in PA?? Likely the union fork lift driver gets more I bet. I'll apply for the forklift position! hahaha NOT.

How do you "cure" in the freezer?? Asking for a friend :anonymous:

12/12 from seed, interesting... I go away several times during the grow cycle so can't be there all the time to train/trim.

I get pretty tall plants in my soil mix even in 7gal pots. They get as much water as they need (automated)... no limits really, some plants can drink 1 gal of water a day in flower. A lot of people don't really understand that.
 
bobrown14

bobrown14

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OH yeah forgot to add my IPM deal... and I'm THE laziest gardener and why I do organic soil... I don't have to do anything ... the water is already automated. IPM yes but pretty easy really, with no pests 1x a week thru veg and into 3 weeks flower and sometimes I skip. When mites show up then I get a lot busier. I had aphids on one plant this spring from outdoor garden... not many I found them early but they will ruin a crop, even dead they are almost impossible to wash off.

IPM routine:
1-2 Tbs Montery Garden spray (Spinosad)
2-3 tbs Ful-power
1tsp Protetk
1/4 cup of Horsetail Fern Tea (can find horsetail fern locally in spring)
1 gal RO or filtered water
Sometimes I add in a 1/4 cup of PURE coconut water (no sugar no preservatives)

Spray on plants top to btm and btm to top usually 1x a week

Horsetail fern tea is to keep PM/bud rot from being a thing. This is part of the Biodynamic Farming paradigm #508 from the Rudolf Steiner deal. Organic farming biodynamic farming a few steps ahead still after 140 years. Not too bad. Most importantly it works (Horsetail fern tea).

Horsetail Fern Tea recipe:
handful of dried or fresh Horsetail ferns into qt size mason jar - add boiling water.
Steep until cool enough to put lid on and into the fridge...
Done and done - PM/mold let me show you the curb! mm bye bye!
 
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chuckie86

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PSUAGRO. said:
I appreciate all the well wishes for the little guy, thanks growers.................old poodle can be the boy's internet Dawgfather, no problem. I'll just make sure NOT to invite him over for any barbeques , couple of the wife's Asian friends usually attending!ha.

Cleaned my grill, stacked the fridge with shitty light beer, ready to go for tomorrow...........another Sunday, update time


Day 80 of 13/11 from seed under Timber' s b-lux décor vero fixture 1750k(296watts) & osram 730nm trigger up Chroni's azzzzzzz===== with my 3 purple animal kush ladies.


View attachment 3950620 View attachment 3950623 View attachment 3950624 View attachment 3950625 View attachment 3950627 ............Not bad. Can see the two tops I bleached slightly. Canopy isn't even, probably could have done a better job with training and such. I have excuses every run, can't think of any right now? oh yeah the BABY, that's a good one because he can't defend himself:).


View attachment 3950628 View attachment 3950629 View attachment 3950630 .........not much longer now, just water every day and ignore them. I had to clean up the dead debris and scratch the top layer to improve drainage again.

Light is packed up, hopefully I can get Timber to pay for shipping too, way heavier than I thought...........lol


Be safe and happy growing RIU...........enjoy memorial day for the USA folks[/QUOTE. That light seems to be working good bro plants.look good
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puffenuff

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PSUAGRO. said:
What parts of Italy?...................I haven't been back to the motherland in awhile, can't afford it, happy the euro rate was good for you though.

you better do a journal brother!......your the og led grower in here:)
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All over Italy, man. Started down south at the Amalfi Coast, Capri, Sorrento area. Then up to Rome, and did Cinque Terre, and made our way up to Venice. Rome was by far my least favorite. We had a blast, only thing was it was hotter than hell and peak tourist season.
 
bobrown14

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Should have stayed on the Amalfi Coast the whole time bro.. just sayin. It's off the tourist radar and beautiful.. and the food... and wine, don't forget the wine!
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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PSUAGRO. said:
Yes 400- 700nm cut, "definition" of PAR......... also his sphere is conservative?, ul power supply gives sort of a worst case scenario, idk what that means...... his words not mine.

slightly used gavita 1000w pro de got 1.55 ppf/w in his sphere with less than a dozen fires on the bulb.
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From what I've seen ( 2 sources) A Gavita is around 1.85 umol/j. That being said It looks like Dans Veros are doing really well which more corresponds with GGs data on the Vero 29 V7.
 
a mongo frog

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Stephenj37826 said:
From what I've seen ( 2 sources) A Gavita is around 1.85 umol/j. That being said It looks like Dans Veros are doing really well which more corresponds with GGs data on the Vero 29 V7.
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Your right Gavitas suck. People shouldn't be growing with them. Its a lesser product then Dans Veros.
 
Stephenj37826

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a mongo frog said:
Your right Gavitas suck. People shouldn't be growing with them. Its a lesser product then Dans Veros.
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Sorry to offend you I wasn't knocking a Gavita at all. If you read the entire post he was saying Nick's sphere is conservative and in it the Gavita only did 1.55 umol/j. So I'm making more of a generalization that if these conservative numbers are across the board then the Vero's are more efficient than what is posted.

Having a bad day?
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Johnnycannaseed1 said:
Cool Thread and Congrats on your Newish arrival lol:clap:
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thank you............he is eating me out of house and home presently:)

bobrown14 said:
My soil recipe is:

1/3 CSPM (I buy Premier brand at lowes for $10 - same exact thing from same company as Pro-Mix)
1/3 Humus (EWC + home made compost + a bag or 2 of Coast Of Main Lobster compost can find locally)
1/3 Aeration - I use per-lite since no-til - doesn't break down and doesn't float either.

To that I add:

Acadian Kelp Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot
Neem Cake and Karanja Cake 50/50 Mix @ 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crustacean Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot
Gypsum Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Brix Blend Basalt @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Glacial Rock Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot
Oyster Flour @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Sometimes I add in some biochar if I have it laying around.

Mix this soil up water lightly and let sit in large totes until ready. Usually I inoculate with some ACT and/or Mykes brand mycos, same shit they put in the expensive Pro-Mix (same company Premier). Tub of Mykes lasts me a year for indoors... a season outdoors.

Start out with seeds in peat... then into #2 square nursery pots then into final containers, at each transplant 1-2tbs of Mykes into hole. Veg under 3K Vero29s @ 1/2 power 20/4 then into flower Vero29s 11.5/12/5 @ full on as close as I can get to canopy which is attach lamps to ceiling and let the plants grow into them!

My last soil test was perfect everything was in spec:

soil PH was slightly low 6.8 - where I want it (don't really care micro herd will fix according to plants needs)
CaO was way above optimum - where I want it
Mg was slightly above optimum
Potash - perfect - middle of optimum
P lb/A = 162
CEC @ 18.7
Organic Matter @ 28.2%
Nitrogen % 0.85

CEC was based on max of Ca level of 15meq/100 g - I think my Ca is higher than what they used to calculate. My % saturation of the CEC for Ca was 80.1. Due to soluble Ca in the mix which is a good thing, no?
Oyster shell flower FTW!

Since I run no-til for several rounds nothing but flower cycle in this soil mix, I want a shit ton of Ca. Mg I don't care much about - plenty in soil mix and plants cant use it all.

Me thinks Cal/Mag deficiency is a stoner myth. Ca yes... don't know where the Mg deficiency comes from.. physics says impossible.

Chlorophyll = C55H72O5N4Mg <-- not much Mg there eh? If there was a deficiency, where did it go??



The Suggestion was for me to add 0.5 #s of Urea per 100 sqft of soil, and 0.5 lbs /100 sqft of 0-46-0

I tried to do some math and figure out how much by volume 0.5 lbs/100ft of soil would be.
Brain hurt so got beer and called it good.

Yeah PA is a Joke... I thought they were kidding when those rules came out. At least they didn't publish a list of likely "candidates" before the vote like they did in Ohio.... wow!

I wonder how much salary an indoor gardener; aka "professional Horticulturalist" will get paid in PA?? Likely the union fork lift driver gets more I bet. I'll apply for the forklift position! hahaha NOT.

How do you "cure" in the freezer?? Asking for a friend :anonymous:

12/12 from seed, interesting... I go away several times during the grow cycle so can't be there all the time to train/trim.

I get pretty tall plants in my soil mix even in 7gal pots. They get as much water as they need (automated)... no limits really, some plants can drink 1 gal of water a day in flower. A lot of people don't really understand that.
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bobrown14 said:
OH yeah forgot to add my IPM deal... and I'm THE laziest gardener and why I do organic soil... I don't have to do anything ... the water is already automated. IPM yes but pretty easy really, with no pests 1x a week thru veg and into 3 weeks flower and sometimes I skip. When mites show up then I get a lot busier. I had aphids on one plant this spring from outdoor garden... not many I found them early but they will ruin a crop, even dead they are almost impossible to wash off.

IPM routine:
1-2 Tbs Montery Garden spray (Spinosad)
2-3 tbs Ful-power
1tsp Protetk
1/4 cup of Horsetail Fern Tea (can find horsetail fern locally in spring)
1 gal RO or filtered water
Sometimes I add in a 1/4 cup of PURE coconut water (no sugar no preservatives)

Spray on plants top to btm and btm to top usually 1x a week

Horsetail fern tea is to keep PM/bud rot from being a thing. This is part of the Biodynamic Farming paradigm #508 from the Rudolf Steiner deal. Organic farming biodynamic farming a few steps ahead still after 140 years. Not too bad. Most importantly it works (Horsetail fern tea).

Horsetail Fern Tea recipe:
handful of dried or fresh Horsetail ferns into qt size mason jar - add boiling water.
Steep until cool enough to put lid on and into the fridge...
Done and done - PM/mold let me show you the curb! mm bye bye!
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Good mix grower, should bag it up and sell it to the cannabis community for a decent profit ,ha. lots of ?? and I just got home but will get back to you. Remember I come from a chem/outdoor background, lots of great minds in the organic section that can help you and have decades of experience vs my limited. Most would disagree with my lazy and "incomplete" method(s) but it works for me. You should also join the LOS forum over at build a soil(bas), coots and others are still active I think?

freezer cure(sublimation) has been around for a long time, better than properly cured buds?no imo, but very close with waaaay less effort

https://www.icmag.com/ic//showthread.php?t=186222 set it and forget it,love it

puffenuff said:
All over Italy, man. Started down south at the Amalfi Coast, Capri, Sorrento area. Then up to Rome, and did Cinque Terre, and made our way up to Venice. Rome was by far my least favorite. We had a blast, only thing was it was hotter than hell and peak tourist season.
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Ah la costiera amalfitana , love it. I stay in praiano over positano because o f more sunlight,better beach(gavitella) and not getting raped in the wallet, but that is for non native speakers:) can't hold a candle to a Russo's hoagie and hanging in north wildwood with some fat Italians,joking! soo jealous ..........a la strada pizza on their terrace would really make it for me, maybe next year.

Stephenj37826 said:
From what I've seen ( 2 sources) A Gavita is around 1.85 umol/j. That being said It looks like Dans Veros are doing really well which more corresponds with GGs data on the Vero 29 V7.
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Yeah, I think gg threw up some #s on his new plc fixture and it's about right in the same ballpark

a mongo frog said:
Your right Gavitas suck. People shouldn't be growing with them. Its a lesser product then Dans Veros.
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no one has ever said gavitas sucked, their very good for the price point======.untouchable really................cooling cost,bulb swaps , height limitations,etc., hit you after the purchase:)

Stephenj37826 said:
Sorry to offend you I wasn't knocking a Gavita at all. If you read the entire post he was saying Nick's sphere is conservative and in it the Gavita only did 1.55 umol/j. So I'm making more of a generalization that if these conservative numbers are across the board then the Vero's are more efficient than what is posted.

Having a bad day?
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exactly, also who knows how dusty the reflector on the de was at test........he said it sat around for awhile or whatever , losses are known on a new one and Omnidirectional lighting takes a huge hit in a hort position!shocker,lol

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PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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To the Floridian growers, our thoughts are with you!

If your in the path of this monster hurricane, shut the grow down, trash it! Seriously. no power for weeks=no odor control, emergency crews everywhere, etc........Florida laws still suck for growing; don't risk this shit imo.


Be safe!
 
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