terrorizer805
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Ok, I just thought that by giving your plant b-1 it would skip producing it's own since it already had some available.
SUPERthrive or Superjive?
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smoke n strum
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A quick note, and this is hardly scientific, I just thought you might find it interesting UB. I recently started my first indoor grow. My seedlings were started in 16 oz solo cups and after a week I transplanted three of the quickest starters into 1 gallon pots. Bear in mind that as a new grower, I was searching the net everywhere trying to figure out what I needed to have on hand to grow weed, and I bit on buying a 4 oz bottle of superthrive. When I transplanted the three seedlings, I used it at 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. All three plants were doing well and I wanted to use your topping for 4 main cola method, and use the tops to make clones since I was using old bag seed and germination went poorly(about 33% success), and I was out of seeds. My most vigorous growing plant was ready to top and my order of clonex had not arrived yet, so I figured I would try to clone without it. I used 1/4 teaspoon superthrive per gallon of water as basically a guess that it might help with cloning, to water it in, and put the clone under my light. A few days later, my clonex arrived and I used it to clone the next two plants that I topped. I did not use superthrive, as I read in another one of your threads to use it for transplanting only after I had used it on the first clone. Well, much to my surprise, two weeks later, both of the clones I used clonex on were dead, and the one I used ST on was alive, and rooted surviving on it's roots. I am not claiming ST is a good product or anything like that. Just stating what happened.
There is no doubt that I did not clone correctly. I didn't even use a humidity dome, in my inexperience. I probably over misted them too, keeping them far too wet. That may account for the two with clonex dying, but they all got the exact same treatment after cloning. It's a head scratcher to me, but I think next time I clone, I'm going to do a comparison and see if I can get some value out of the 9 bucks I spent on Superthrive. I'll let you know how it turns out.
UB, thanks for all your no-nonsense gardening knowledge and being willing to share it with us noobs. Without your threads, I would have been another victim of the snake oil salesman.
sns
There is no doubt that I did not clone correctly. I didn't even use a humidity dome, in my inexperience. I probably over misted them too, keeping them far too wet. That may account for the two with clonex dying, but they all got the exact same treatment after cloning. It's a head scratcher to me, but I think next time I clone, I'm going to do a comparison and see if I can get some value out of the 9 bucks I spent on Superthrive. I'll let you know how it turns out.
UB, thanks for all your no-nonsense gardening knowledge and being willing to share it with us noobs. Without your threads, I would have been another victim of the snake oil salesman.
sns
Uncle Ben
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Glad to help! Did the clonex contain a fungicide? Superthrive does contain a synthetic hormone. Here's a good link on gardening myths: http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf......There is no doubt that I did not clone correctly.
UB, thanks for all your no-nonsense gardening knowledge and being willing to share it with us noobs. Without your threads, I would have been another victim of the snake oil salesman.
sns
Wolverine97
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That link isn't working for me.
goten
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Wolverine97
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No... Superthrive contains B1
goten
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smoke n strum
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The bottle says "Active ingredient Indole Butyric Acid, Inert ingredient Thiamone (vitamin B1)" Anyone interested in buying some Clonex? When you did clone, what worked for you? sns
Uncle Ben
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Did you C/P the entire script? I love that pro, Dr. Linda.
Serapis
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mine only carries the small bottle for $10
Wolverine97
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There we go. Thanks
legallyflying
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Yeah superthrive has b1 in it. Yeah, the benefits to b1 in reducing transplant shock are a little suspect. HOWEVER, ST doesn't jsut have b1 in it. It also has napthylacetic acid, which is you read the link above about "b1 is bunk" they clearly state that this acid helps secondary root growth.
Bottom line, it fucking works and its dirt cheap. A $7 bottle will last a LONG time. Nothing is going to replace good grow techniques and proper grow room hygiene but ST does increase plant health. Is it going to magically transform your plants into bushes of towering buds>? Probably not as some people can't even water correctly. I own a restoration company and have planted approximately 40,000 native trees and shrubs in the past 4 years (when I decided to start keeping a running total). Those that were dunked in ST mix prior to planting did better than those that did not on the same sites. All of these sites get monitored and all living dead plants are recorded each year. I did a whole years plantings treating some with ST and some without. Looking at the survival of around 7,000 trees and shrubs that were part of the "experiment", the ST increased survival.
Anyways... go ahead and debate the merits of ST. I have said my piece.
Bottom line, it fucking works and its dirt cheap. A $7 bottle will last a LONG time. Nothing is going to replace good grow techniques and proper grow room hygiene but ST does increase plant health. Is it going to magically transform your plants into bushes of towering buds>? Probably not as some people can't even water correctly. I own a restoration company and have planted approximately 40,000 native trees and shrubs in the past 4 years (when I decided to start keeping a running total). Those that were dunked in ST mix prior to planting did better than those that did not on the same sites. All of these sites get monitored and all living dead plants are recorded each year. I did a whole years plantings treating some with ST and some without. Looking at the survival of around 7,000 trees and shrubs that were part of the "experiment", the ST increased survival.
Anyways... go ahead and debate the merits of ST. I have said my piece.
Uncle Ben
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My method of transplanting in native soil which applies to pots too is to make up a couple of gallons drench containing Superthrive, MycoApply and then after transplanting rake in about a TBSP of a 10 mo., slow release fertilizer into the top of the soil. I drop about 20 transplants into a wide, short bucket that contains an inch of so of this rocket fuel and then plant. Don't know what you use to dig your holes but you can't beat a heavy duty garden auger mounted into a cordless drill.
UB
legallyflying
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I use 5 gallon buckets, probably about 15 of them. They each have a about 2-3 tablespoons of ST. Bare root plants are dunked and then laid on a tarp. Each tarp can hold about, I dunno..300-400 plants. Then mycoorhizal powder is sprinkled on all the roots. The plants get wrapped in the tarps and set in the shade until we can get them planted. If I have a big site with lots and lots of plants then I place wet newspaper on the roots before they get rolled in the tarps.
We typically plant 2-3' long bare root stock so we just use dibble bars. Which is basically a trenching spade made out of solid steel. Stomp into ground, pull back to make a big slit in the ground, insert tree, pull up to correct height, STOMP ground in place. I typically average 60-80 trees and hour this way although now I'm basically just managing people and keeping them working. Its a different kind of "hard work" less physical, more stress.
We typically plant 2-3' long bare root stock so we just use dibble bars. Which is basically a trenching spade made out of solid steel. Stomp into ground, pull back to make a big slit in the ground, insert tree, pull up to correct height, STOMP ground in place. I typically average 60-80 trees and hour this way although now I'm basically just managing people and keeping them working. Its a different kind of "hard work" less physical, more stress.
Uncle Ben
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60-80 an hour is smokin'! You must use quite a few people. When it comes to mother nature, she will stress you out.
legallyflying
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60-80 hour per person! That is me and I can haul ass, the average worker achieves around 50-60 hour though. These are bare root plants, no digging holes.
whitefrost
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i add a few drops when ever i do something stupid in hopes of reducing stress caused by my own hand whether or not it works i havent a clue and as posted several time the stuff stinks m2c
legallyflying
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whitefrost
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sometimes you have to spread the bush to see the labias