supersoil: 20 days cooking and no mycro web?

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highstandards

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I mixed my soil up 20 days ago and placed it into containers and watered with 2 gallons of water. These are large containers, the whole 8 bag recipe fit nicely into three of them. 2 gallons of water were poured into each.

so ive been reading alot about supersoil, and it seems from a lot of posts ive read that I should be seeing the "web" forming already(white web like thing forming), but ive got nothing. Just wet dirt and condensation on the lid. Is this ok? did i do something wrong?
 
True Stoner

True Stoner

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subcool said:
Stop driving yourself crazy its fucking dirt!

If you followed the recipe it will work fine.

:)

Sub
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Hey dude are you the subcool that has the article in High Times for the step by step supersoil?? I thinking of trying that mix out for my next soil grow. I wanna go organic as people say the smoke tastes better!! Anyways thats a sweet article if trhats you dude!!:bigjoint:
 
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s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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subcool said:
Ammonia is not good means its to wet and actually rotting
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yeah..if you're looking for some instant web-o-life action; here's a quote from a private conversation: {Re: terra preta
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Originally Posted by georgi345
hey hillbilly,

so, i've been forging ahead with getting a BD/terra preta grow together...
now, i'm a city dweller and apt renter, so doing my own composting isn't much of an option (regrettably), but i did find this outfit ==> http://www.naturalscienceorganics.com/nsoproducts.html which has bd compost available for sale, and so i'd love to get your opinion/input as to whether this seems like a legit way to go (ie buying compost from these folks through the mail to use as amendment/dressing/tea)? i've also discovered the josephine porter institute and am pretty keen on their soil-spray applications ( http://www.jpibiodynamics.org/index_set.html )... any recommendations there as to which would be a good bet to go with?
many thanks!
-g

ps hey, out of curiosity, are you also into the whole steiner thing in addition to bd?

no I don't adhere to the steiner philosophy completely; because he was operating on a late 1800's knowledge base. he did however transmit ancient practices which work. the compost for sale will be better than anything other than homemade. I'd tell everyone on r.i.u.about that. if you're indoor, and buying b.d. compost; I wouldn't bother with JPI...that's for getting your land in order(the 'shire' in lord of the rings). but use the compost solely as tea ingredients to stretch it. that compost tea is the cat's meow-pure magic! it's a game changer to be sure. so get the molasses and the fish tank pump and 5 gal bucket. you'll have the best weed in town! guranteed.} so for all of you who don't have a biodynamic pile going; you can order the compost to make your own tea...this stuff will introduce the animals to the zoo. I'm running something pretty close to Sub's soil with the BD tea, and haven't ever smoked better weed...this combo will pretty much beat all comers. the only way you can get better, is with your own homemade pile; and using mosly compost(which I'm kinda' short of). I want to make 5 different 'flavored' piles, as the ingredients directly affect finished flavor.-citrus pile, guano pile, cow manure pile, apple pile, ocean pile...and then test them side by side with the same plants. my current compost makes everything sweet, and a lot of things 'nutella' flavored. unfortunately, all my erkels turn to sweet pickles!-so I'd need a different flavor of compost to get that grape taste(maybe the local vineyard?)...or hit that dutch passion master(coffee)kush, or pre-98 bubba with some coffee compost. THIS IS THE FUTURE of ganjaculture.
 
subcool

subcool

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Just let it dry out again dont over complicate dirt it floods in nature to.
I would dump it and spread it out and let it dry some possibly even in the sun shine.

Sub
 
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highstandards

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subcool said:
Just let it dry out again dont over complicate dirt it floods in nature to.
I would dump it and spread it out and let it dry some possibly even in the sun shine.

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thanks a ton man, this is sweet as hell having direct access to a knowledge base such as yours :bigjoint:
 
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highstandards

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An update for anyone who was curious (I've gotten more than a few pms on this thread) : I let the soil dry out somewhat, I noticed the ammonia smell seemed to have died down and I went ahead and used the soil. The results were terrible. I ended up throwing out the entire crop about 25 days in. Since then I spent two years on the H&G regimen with some pretty decent results.

Fast forward to today, coming back to organics because I've still never matched the quality of the first super soil grow I did when I had success. I cooked a batch recently, been sitting for 1.5 months now, and I check it today only to find that it reeks three times as bad as my last failed attempt did. Just dumped it out again and gonna allow it to dry for a week or so, then try one more time.

Guess I I just wanted to say: be careful about not letting enough air in your containers! I thought I had followed the instructions to the "T" both times but I've failed twice now and I think not enough air getting into the containers is my problem.

Thoughts?
 
Rrog

Rrog

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Too much water

Not enough air.

I turn mine like compost. Daily at first, then a couple times a week. Keeps it aerobic and keeps the temps down so as not to kill my predatory Nematodes and BTI.

I also cover the garbage cans of soil with an open weave cloth to let air in and keep pests out
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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....i want to chime in an add this....the ammonia, and shit smell does indeed come from too much water, and not enough air, but it is the blood and bone providing the stink......i don't want to wake a sleeping tiger, but it is one reason i swap out blood and bone for appropriate guanos....they are much, much less prone to becoming anaerobic when breaking down...imho.
 
Rrog

Rrog

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The aerobic / anaerobic condition is specific to the microlife, not the amendments. Ammonia is free Nitrogen being released, which comes from any Nitrogen source, including Blood Meal. In a nice aerobic environment, the Nitrogen gets "fixed" in the soil. Otherwise it's released as Ammonia.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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So Rrog, the same would be true for any source of N (ie alfalfa meal)?

And when you say you "turn it like compost", how exactly do you do that with a large (heavy) trash container full of super soil?
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I just shovel the soil from one pal to the next. Nothing fancy. And it's fast.

Alfalfa meal is some special stuff. Great stuff. The N gets released super fast and soil is hot hot. The microbes get it all tucked away eventually.
 
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stak

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highstandards said:
An update for anyone who was curious (I've gotten more than a few pms on this thread) : I let the soil dry out somewhat, I noticed the ammonia smell seemed to have died down and I went ahead and used the soil. The results were terrible. I ended up throwing out the entire crop about 25 days in. Since then I spent two years on the H&G regimen with some pretty decent results.

Fast forward to today, coming back to organics because I've still never matched the quality of the first super soil grow I did when I had success. I cooked a batch recently, been sitting for 1.5 months now, and I check it today only to find that it reeks three times as bad as my last failed attempt did. Just dumped it out again and gonna allow it to dry for a week or so, then try one more time.

Guess I I just wanted to say: be careful about not letting enough air in your containers! I thought I had followed the instructions to the "T" both times but I've failed twice now and I think not enough air getting into the containers is my problem.

Thoughts?
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Are you completely closing the lid on the container storing the soil? If you are, that's your problem. The soil needs to breath, it needs some air.
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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all this talk about ss going bad, i checked all my barrels.....everything a-ok....my lids are always on tight......i think folks run into more trouble when they over-water.
 
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