super soil life and super soil tea

How long can you veg without defeating the water only aspect of super soil? I know top dressing is possible but can I just top dress indefinitely?

If anyone has any insight I'd love to hear. Thanks.

The reason for that question was that I wanted to do a single plant scrog and veg long enough for that one plant to cover a m2 canopy area. I read in mel franks book that older plants are more potent and an ideal age is 8 months so I was gonna do an experimental grow. I wanted to try super soil but didn't know if it would work for that long or if I should try something else for this type of grow.

Also I was thinkin wouldn't it be possible to use fresh super soil to make a tea after the soil in the pot was spent?

It most likely wont be cost and time effective. I mean you are going to be paying for electricity and time and energy spent on it. In my opinion you should get more plants and not do an experiment, unless you really really want too. And I personally wouldn't use super soil. You can accomplish a great soil, a lot cheaper then that soil. Read the ROLS thread at the top of the Organic Section.

PeaceLoveCannabis said:

It most likely wont be cost and time effective. I mean you are going to be paying for electricity and time and energy spent on it. In my opinion you should get more plants and not do an experiment, unless you really really want too. And I personally wouldn't use super soil. You can accomplish a great soil, a lot cheaper then that soil. Read the ROLS thread at the top of the Organic Section.

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i havent read the thread you suggested, but im glad to finally see someone speak up about this "super soil".......I have nothing against Sub or his methods, but to be frank buying a pre-existing soil and mixing it with stuff is not very "super".....The point of making a soil is to cut out the big name companies and know whats growing your herb...Mix your own! dont buy a bag of blank blank and mix perlite into it.......but to answer your question you can always topdress with plenty of worm castings or kelp meal, or make a tea with either to give your soil a little refresher to liven it up.

dont treat your soil like dirt!

Not even trying to argue, especially since I've never used it myself, but I've never heard of anyone using his recipe and being disappointed. I'm sure people with the know how can make pretty good soil from scratch but, for a begginer like myself, having a recipe to follow that can take you from seed to harvest with professional like results is appealing.

not to mention that the cost of making a batch of subcools super soil will cost less than buying liquid nutrients like I've been doing

And I appreciate the input guys I'll definitely look into that thread and diy soils but I still want to know specifically about sub's soil. Anyone out there know?

Dboi87 said:

And I appreciate the input guys I'll definitely look into that thread and diy soils but I still want to know specifically about sub's soil. Anyone out there know?

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Super soil or no - you know what amendments are going into the recipe and why so if you are wanting to stay close, you could mix a small batch, cook it, and test it. Most universities have an ag or gardening program that will test your soil for nearly anything you want. nutrient filled bacteria are the name of the game and the conditions for a healthy fungi web need to be established and maintained.You don't necessarily have to buy expensive bagged Roots or Happy Frog soil either, they are just well marketed. Check your local landscaping company, you'll find non-manure compost around $25/cu. yard and it will be of exceedingly high quality. Go find a local stream or forest and fill up a 5 gallon pale of old undisturbed healthy looking soil for some nice variety if it's available to you, or even just your backyard from a healthy looking patch.. Pickup a big bag of rice hulls, cheap cheap cheap. All the other ingredients can be found in large quantities for cheap at farm/feed/landscape stores outside of big cities. These are ingredients farmers, gardeners, and greenhouses have used to treat and fix soil problems for years and are easily acquired in bulk. If you pay attention to the ingredients and their sources you can avoid the "hydro shop" brands. Anything you buy whole (ie kelp) is generally superior to a pre-bottled diluted variety and infinitely more cost effective.Also - Espoma anything. Garden-tone is my favorite for mixing small batches for potted veggies.. A top dress will have a thick myco web in a day or two. Good stuff.Good luck on your soil!

You can top dress SS. I'd primarily look at Worm Castings, kelp, etc for much amending. Very good viewpoints IMHO regarding a bonafide ROLS soil. Costs less that SS, you recycle it (so it gets better with age). I grew SS a few times. ROLS is much better for all the reasons mentioned.

ROLS is cheaper and better. Just wanted to say that again.

It only costs me 25 dollars a container and don't have to mix anything or add bottled nutes. I'd say that's a small investment for me. When I'm through with the soil my Raised bed vegetable garden is where it goes.

Tossing soil is tossing soil. How many other crops are grown in disposable soil? None.

Plus, recycled soil is better on all fronts.

Rrog said:

Tossing soil is tossing soil. How many other crops are grown in disposable soil? None.

Plus, recycled soil is better on all fronts.

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Tossing it outside in my garden is reusing it but I know what you mean. Peace brother

well now my question is will this ROLS soil be as simple as SS? the appeal is in the fact that once mixed it will last an entire crop. ROLS sounds pretty interesting but you have to realize that i have no previous gardening experience or knowledge. so when you guys say "you know what's going in and why", well, i don't. i do plan on reading up and learning but even then there's the trial and error learning curve trying to get things down to where everything goes smoothly.

reeker, you sure are recycling! And very cool you grow your food.

Dboi87- You're growing in soil now so no problems there. Amending is simple and I'd be happy to talk about it. You're still loading the soil with the same NPK and often from the same source (fish bone, kelp, etc). The difference is you expect to re-use the soil.

Now if you're into letting the nutrients deplete and let the plant fade then that's another thing.

Also- can you accommodate a larger pot? Works better if larger than 5. I have a buddy growing ROLS in 15 gal Geopots:

Well I have a 400w so I'm not sure what the ideal pot size and number of plants would be. I currently use four 5gal pots

Have you thought about growing two plants under that instead of 4? The pic above is my buddy's first grow of anything. So his canopy management skills will build, but that's a 300W LED in a 2' x 4' area.

300W LED might approximate a 500W - 600W HPS

I'd be open to try it. I may be asking a ton of questions along the way though. Any good references to read up and help me get started with ROLS and understand it some? I've never liked just know how. I want to understand why

Check out the link in my sig. Teaming With Microbes. Ask questions for sure. Gets everyone's juices flowing.

The Rev's True Living Organics is a great book too. I have Teaming with Microbes also. Great book. I really learned a ton. I am still learning daily. I feel so much more connected to my plants. You will too.​