Sugar water???

someone told me that if i add sugar to the water on the last 2 weeks that my buds will fatten up due to the carbon in the sugar?? he also said about adding lemon juice to it on the last week to give it a sweetness?? please help i dont want to kill my girls after all this hard work!!:-?
 

dnkfrmthasoilz7

Active Member
idk about the lemon juice i wouldn't be putting anything that foreign in my medium as for the sugar fuck that go with molasses!
 

Spanishfly

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Molasses IS mostly sugar. Anyhow I am going to be doing a comparison this year between plants with molasses and those without. I have 3 WW already showing some nice trichome development - we will see just what molasses does.
 

chittychitty

Active Member
whoever told you that must really think plants like lemonade? lol, but seriously, go with molasses in the water -- it's the fatty dose of carbs, not carbon, that the plants turn into energy
 
thanks everyone not sure where to find molasses ive looked everywhere, im gonna go with sugar even tho its not as good. how do i do it and when? im in 5/6 week of flowering.ta
 

jawbrodt

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I don't think the lemon juice is a very good idea, because of it's acidity. People use it to lower PH, so I would think that it would be waaaay to acidic to be of any help to your plant. It'd probably kill it, especially if it's mixed too strong.lol
 

woodsmaneh!

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The sugar feeds the microbes in the ground not the plant, sugar molecules are to big to be digested by the plant. Molasses is great, most big grocery stores have it in the baking section.
 

woodsmaneh!

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MOLASSES

Molasses is used for a lot of things, including amimal food and as a food additive for human consumption.
But in this article, discussion of this product (mainly from sugar cane and beets) is limited to food for MICROBES. Yes, molasses can feed microbes in lots of different environments, but the only environments discussed herein, are for composting and in an organic garden.
Two Types

In this context, there are two basic types of molasses available: sulfured and unsulfured. Basically treating molasses with sulfur results in fortification of iron, calcium and magnesium.
So the question is, do microbes and/or plants need supplemental iron, calcium and magnesium from molasses, to prosper in soil or dirt?
In this author's opinion, no. But some organic gardeners use sulfured molasses in their drenches because they feel plants will appreciate the fortification. However, I think there are better ways to accomplish such fortification than spending the extra money for the sulfured type.
Cane or Beet

Is cane molasses any better than beet molasses? Based on research I've studied, and considering its use to feed microbes, I think the best price should rule that decision. Both types have about the same number of calories as sugar - about 16 calories per teaspoon (5 ml).
Recent Studies

Molasses to boost soil microbial activity has been talked about for many decades and the theory has been that it provides an energy source for microbes that can be utilized equally well by all soil organisms.
However, field applications that I have studied, have not tended to produce many convincing responses. For instance, Recent research by SWEP laboratories, has begun to shed light on this issue by looking at soil biology from a balance perspective (according to the principles of the Mikhail System) that has shown some significant effects on soil biology, but are now finding that the soilfoodweb is much more complex than expected - something Dr. Elaine Ingham (www.soilfoodweb.com) could have told them many years ago.
Results of these studies appear to indicate that the lowest application rates work best for fungi and cellulose utilizers, while some bacteria showed the opposite response, with activity increasing as the application rate increased. So my 'take' on this is that BALANCE is the prerequisite to consider, involving the type of microbes you want to supply, based on what you are attempting to accomplish.
With regard to feeding compost tea microbe population (liquid environment, not solids), in my opinion there is no equal in the field, to Dr. Ingham. However, tea must be aerated and fed more than just molasses to accomplish such objective effectively. [11]
http://www.thesoilguy.com/SG/Molasses#Molassestop
Reheating a 1st Turn

So regarding practical application to compost piles, my advice is to restrict application of molasses to feedstock that you want to REHEAT - basically limited to a first-turn aeration, using a screening technique and applying the mixture to each 6" layer, at no more than one QUARTER cup per 25 square feet of surface area, in sufficient water to thoroughly moisten the entire layer. And yes, the layering technique does mean the more water accumulates in the lower portion of the pile, particularly if extracting the excess moisture as tea. If that is the case, I recommend collecting and reapplying 1st turn tea back onto the pile to concentrate it, and strengthen the leachate, which will contain a molasses constitute, ready for aeration to multiply the microbes present in the tea.
Consider Molasses into the C:N Ratio

If you apply molasses to an initial pile build, remember to factor-in that constituent to the C:N ratio. For collection of tea from an initial pile build, and from subsequent (2nd turn; 3rd turn, etc.) collections, I recommend only adding molasses INTO the tea brewer (with the leachate or compost-mix, and only at the rate recommended by the manufacturer of the brewer - unless you already have extensive experience in brewing compost tea with your machine.
Molasses is CARBON

Molasses is an effective, quick source of carbon energy for various forms of microbial life in a compost pile or gardening dirt. In fact molasses has long been a part of the common products used by organic gardeners to bring greater health to their soils and plants, because it's a great source of carbohydrates that stimulates the growth of beneficial microorganisms.
Types of Molasses

There are many grades and types of molasses, depending upon the maturity of the sugar cane or sugar beet, and the method of extraction that they undergo. The different types are: first molasses, second molasses, unsulfured molasses, sulfured molasses, and blackstrap molasses.
You should also know about DRY molasses which is something different altogether, and is not discussed in this article (see: Dry Molasses). But just so you know, dry molasses is molasses that has been sprayed onto grain residue which acts as a "carrier, and is used by many composters because it is easy to broadcast onto to a feedstock layer without mixing in water, so a square footage/depth of application is then simply watered-in as needed, for appropriate feedstock moistening.

The Best Type for Boosting Fertilizer

For organic gardeners, I recommend unsulfured cane blackstrap molasses as the best choice because it is the most nutritionally (trace elements) valuable of the various types of molasses.
I do not recommend using synthetic chemical fertilizers, but I would be remiss not to mention that molasses is also a chelating agent, which means that it can 'help' convert 'some' chemical nutrients into a form that’s 'more' easily available for organisms and plants to use.
Molasses can be an important addition to an organic fertilizing program (drench or foliar), depending on whether your garden dirt is in need of such. Most organic garden beds worked by folks who actively compost - and use their compost on their garden - do not need molasses, but then, it can be (in minor amounts) added to compost tea when used as a foliar spray directly on plants - a highly recommended practice, especially if the tea is direct leachate and not brewed tea.
Basic Drench Mixture:

1 to 3 tablespoons (15 to 45 ml) blackstrap molasses (unsulfured) per 1 gallon (3.8 liter) of liquid fertilizer mix (this can be any liquid fertilizer, compost tea, kelp, or alfalfa meal tea)

Molasses and Alfalfa Tea Mixture:

4 gallons (15.2 liter) of water 1 cup (225 ml) of fine ground alfalfa meal 1 tablespoon (15 ml) blackstrap or sugar beet molasses
Allow this to sit for 24 hours, and then it is ready for application as a soil drench.
As a foliar feed, recommend straining the mixture so there is nothing to clog the spray head.
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Text from Dr. Elaine Ingham:
Bacteria grow well and rapidly on simple sugars to exclusion of any fungus, until sugar concentration becomes extremely high. The simple preservative effect with molasses is the high concentration of sugar. Most organisms cannot grow in the high concentration of sugar. Once a container of molasses is sealed, however, condensate can form on the under-side of the lid if the container suffers heating cooling cycles. As the water drips into the top layer of the molasses concentrate, the sugar content can be diluted enough to allow fungal or actinobacterial growth as a surface scum. Just skim off the surface scum before use in soil, compost, or tea. Do not feed to animals or humans after a surface scum has formed unless you can recognise the organism as non-harmful.
Addition of foods that cause rapid bacterial growth can tie-up nitrate nitrogen so fast, and so effectively that plant growth can be harmed, and even stopped. Bacteria win in competition with plants for N in soil, and thus plants can be killed as the result of lack of N. Of course, the solution to this problem is NOT to kill the bacteria, but rather to establish normal nutrient cycling processes once again. How? Get the protozoa and bacterial-feeding nematodes back to work!
Non-sulphured, Black-strap Molasses: Contains no preservative other than the high concentration of sugar. Black-strap molasses contains about 150 different kinds of sugars, from simple to somewhat complex to humics. During the extraction of sugar, heating results in condensation of the sugars into humic-like substances. The majority of foods in molasses are bacterial foods, but a few are fungal foods. Fungi tolerate high concentrations of sugar better than bacteria, so extremely high concentrations of molasses favour fungi. Testing must be performed to assess what concentration is needed to select for fungi and against bacteria in any particular set of conditions. Testing is also needed when using as a nitrate-to-bacterial biomass converter.
Weed control is often STARTED with addition of molasses to tie-up the excess nitrate helping to set the stage in the soil to grow weeds, and not the plants you want to grow. Assess the calcium situation as well, however, because if you add molasses to grow lots of bacteria, and your soil has poor structure, you may just drive the soil into reduced oxygen conditions, which can result in plant death as well. As Arden Anderson says, "No number is right until all numbers are right". Or as Elaine Ingham says, "What's the most important organ in your body? And you can stay alive with just that one, most important item? You need all your organs, right? Soil needs all the organisms, in the right numbers and right balance and right function".
Organic Molasses: No strong acids or bases, nor extremely high heat are allowed in the production of organic molasses. No preservatives can be used. Because of the lower temperatures used, less condensation of the sugars occur, so fewer condensed, humic materials are present compared to non-sulphured, black-strap molasses
Feed Grade Molasses: Commercial grade molasses has sulphur and possibly other preservatives and antibiotics added to reduce fungal growth. Sulphur in most inorganic forms make excellent fungal inhibitors. Antibiotics will inhibit, kill and prevent the growth a wide range, but not all bacteria and fungi. Thus feed grade molasses is not a good choice for a biological stimulant. Care must be taken to read about the ingredients so no ugly little surprises confront you and you don't get the response you want to see.
 

woodsmaneh!

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Spanishfly if you do your homework you will see that clearly you need to do more research, context is important and by the way paper is carbon and so are you. I love backing up my statements with fact, that's how we all learn together.


Molasses can be used as the carbon source for in situ remediation of chlorinated hydrocarbons.

Hydrolyzed molasses as an external carbon source in biological nitrogen removal

Zhe-Xue Quana, Yin-Shu Jina, Cheng-Ri Yinb, Jay J. Leec and Sung-Taik Leea, ,

aDepartment of Biological Sciences, Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, 373-1, Guseong-dong, Yuseong-gu, Daejeon 305-701, Republic of Korea
bDepartment of Chemistry, Yanbian University, Yanji 133-002, China
cNakdong River Water Environment Laboratory, National Institute of Environmental Research, 239-3 Pyung-ri Dasan, Koryoung, Kyungpook, Republic of Korea


Revised 22 June 2004;
accepted 17 December 2004.
Available online 26 February 2005.

Abstract

Hydrolyzed molasses was evaluated as an alternative carbon source in a biological nitrogen removal process. To increase biodegradability, molasses was acidified before thermohydrolyzation. The denitrification rate was 2.9–3.6 mg N/g VSS h with hydrolyzed molasses, in which the percentage of readily biodegradable substrate was 47.5%. To consider the hydrolysate as a carbon source, a sequencing batch reactor (SBR) was chosen to treat artificial municipal wastewater. During the 14 days (28 cycles) of operation, the SBR using hydrolyzed molasses as a carbon source showed 91.6 ± 1.6% nitrogen removal, which was higher than that using methanol (85.3 ± 2.0%). The results show that hydrolyzed molasses can be an economical and effective external carbon source for the nitrogen removal process.
 
cool if found molasses (black something) they sell it in tesco apparentlly ill be down there later on, whats the ratio to water tho i dont want to over do it.
 

woodsmaneh!

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1 table spoon per gallon/ 4 ml per liter.

Black strap is what they said I would think.

To dissolve measure into container and add some warm water and shake and use.

Peace

More on molasses

If you want to kick start your soil use molasses.
1 tbl to a gallon.

Benefits...
Molasses increases the amount of carbon into soil (C:N ratio) and promotes the growth of beneficial soil microorganisms.

It is an effective soluble foliar carbohydrate.

Improves the structural stability of soils by decreasing dispersion and/or slaking.

Improves soil moisture retention.

The addition of molasses to high N applications ameliorates the phytotoxic effect of discrete N application.

Source of potassium, sulphur and trace elements.

Buffers phytotoxic effects of pesticides, herbicides and mineral oil applications in cropping and pasture systems

Stimulates beneficial microbial activity by providing an excellent food source.

Enhanced microbial activity improves availability of nutrients in the soil and reduces the amount of fertilizer required.
 
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