sucanat / CITRIC ACID mixing ratio

Oh, yes another thread... No one has addressed the proper ratio for sucanat / citric acid.. Someone I read said they put equal parts Sucanat and Citric acid (We are talking about the powdered form you get at the grocery store, I'm going to get some today, personally not sure about it's purity yet, I assume it's not 100% citric acid)


So anyidea the proper ratio/grams per say 1000ml (1L) of water.........

What I read was "people thats 1 oz (28grams) citirc acid, 1 oz of raw sugal to 1 litre (1/4 of a gallon) of water. Add at the rate of 1 ml per litre "


Personally I'd think you would wan't more Sucanat then citric acid... But Maybe it's an equilibrium thing.

What's the purpose in mixing them?

I've used Sucanat and have citric acid, but have never combined them.

Wet

Point of mixing them is the plant need's the citric acid to utilize the sucacant

"The sugar requires Citric Acid as a Catalyst
This all has to do with manipulation of the krebs cycle as explained in marijuana Botany"

"Yes you have to use Citric acid along with the sugars in the third stage of floral maturity in order for the plant to be able to uptake any benefits.
This is old as farming and if you look at any store bought catalyst like Sweatleaf, Bud Candy, Sweet, Earth Juice and countless others you will see that along with the sugars like molasses or what ever they use a key ingredient is also Citric Acid.
Farmers have been pouring fruit juice ( Sugar and citric acid) on crops for thousands of years to enhance flavors."

"Its the combination of Citric Acids and Sugars that the Krebs cycle can take advantage of. "

i've successfully used USP (food grade) citric acid granules as a pH down when mixing my feed for both soil and hydro. one concern i have, though, is that since citric acid is known to have a antimicrobial effect, doesn't it also kill my beneficial bacteria in soil? in hydro, this would be a plus since it would help keep the solution sterile. does anyone know whether the particular strains of bacteria and fungi in great white are resistant to citric acid? i'd hate to spend money on great white only to kill it with citric acid. i've suspended use of citric acid until i find out what the deal is. i brew my great white with molasses for a day or two anyway. maybe i'll do a side-by-side test and see if citric acid reduces the foaming of benny tea...

I have nothing other then basic fertilizer.... I only have 1 month to go... So I better start feeding it something and I don't feel like paying for advanced nutrients if I did... I would get something like overdrive, which really is just to kick the plant into high gear at the end of its life.

"All of Overdrive’s ingredients are matched so they work together to give your plants exactly what they need for late-season bloom building."

I just don't feel like shelling out 50$ right now.

does it make a difference? to yeilds? sounds like a lot of fucking about to me, and yep citric acid is a bactericide, they use it against foot and mouth disiese

The Krebs cycle has absolutely nothing to do with externally applied non-nutrients. There is arguably a benefit from altering/invigorating soil chemistry to mobilize actual nutrients, but the sole use of citric is as a pH-down. I dislike it when "the experts" disguise a naked sales pitch as science. cn

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/378568-citric-acid-cannabis-horticulture-professor.html?daysprune=-1#post5475760

Even this profesor says it has an effect on the Krebs cycle...

So you may say no, but he says yes... So to me its one persons opinion vs another's.... Who to trust? Who knows?
I heard up to a 40% increase in yield with sucanat


Although yes I do know it will bring the Ph down.. I have no meters... So I think I'll only add a tiny bit of citric acid.

I know far to many people that talk like they know what they are talking about when they have done no research to back up what they say.

A general statement such as yours falls into that category until I see any evidence.

Generally though with added nutrients doesn't the Ph have a tendency to go up? using bottled water...

So I believe this will be beneficial to my baby.

I read your link. What Matt Rize said was that "in biochemistry, citric acid is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle and therefore occurs in the metabolism of virtually all living things." This is 100% correct *as stated*.

However that all occurs inside cells using citric acid produced by local metabolism, not imported from outside the organism. He wisely said nothing about the plant taking up citric acid.

You are wise to not trust me, as you don't know me, and it would be neither my duty nor pleasure to produce my credentials. Credentials are overrated in any case imo.
I was commenting specifically on the sales-pitch BS you quoted in post 3. I didn't and don't say that citric acid is useless ... I was responding to the misuse of pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo to sell citric acid as some indispensable soil magic. Balance lies somewhere in between imo.

cn

Well said, yeah I do understand people were saying it happens inside the plant itself.... None the less a little bit wouldn't hurt in my opinion... I can't seem to find it at the grocery store anyway.
I just found it though http://well.ca/products/citric-acid_32038.html

If anything I will only put a tiny bit at a time......... I think the plant could benefit from it... Because maybe it will help it out by not making it work so hard to produce the citric acid.

I can't say I am sure though.

Maybe I will go without the citric acid... Because I am using soil anyways..

LOL, Matt is a professor like I'm the king of Cuba. Calling yourself something doesn't make it so.

Matt and I agree on a lot of things. We disagree on others. No big deal in the overall scheme of things. But, read what he is saying a bit closer. What happens inside the plant and dumping stuff on it are 2 different things.

A 'pinch' might not hurt and you really only learn from experience. However, my wife uses the citric acid in her canning to keep bacteria and 'stuff' out of it. That's why I never considered dumping it on my microherd. I've never used it as a pH down either. With the exception of Pro-Tekt, all my organics are pretty much on the acidic side.

BTW, in the grocery, look in the canning or baking section for the citric acid. It will be in a smallish (2-3oz) bottle as a powder.

Wet

True I just needed some convincing... I'll just use the sucanat

It's great for keeping banana pudding from turning brown.

From what I have briefly read, Citric Acid is useful as a chelating agent (no mention if plants can absorb it for the 'krebs cycle')

nope, citric acid does not harm beneficial bacteria or fungi, i did about an hour of research one night and found an abstract from a clinical trial.

On that, look into jaggery, its more or less the same thing as sucanat, sucanat is just the named used to market that type of cane sugar product here in the US. jaggery is cheap, like refined sugar.

curto did you ever get an answer to this question? Do yu need the citric acid, and just how much of it do you need? I have been going crazy looking for this answer