Subcool's Super Soil

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tea tree

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I got to say something that I hope helps you all, cuz it blew my mind. Peace of mind is the best of all brands so far for me. They actually include bacteria and myco in their boxes. All for only 10 dollars or so shipped! I am using their steamed bone meal and something else. This is a question. Sub, have you ever used Peace of mind Bulb Food in the place of extra P bat guano. It has an NPK od 3-8-8 and I saw it and yelped at the righteousness of the mix. Also included a nice blend of bacteria and myco with the organics form various sources so I get some good even tasting buds. I hear the diferent P sources the different tastes. Any experience? ty in advance. It is working so far but this is just a few days.
 
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waterandrock

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Sub, thanks for a real inspirational set of instructions!

I have some questions. I want to grow something like Royal Haze, with long flowering time and large stretch, in a Scrog setup.

Given the additional length of time needed, are 7-gal pots sufficient, or do I need to go to 10-gal? (Is that the same as a #10 container?)

I've read what I could find of your 'Soil 101', and don't recall the ratio of regular potting soil/supersoil to be used with clones (or after seedlings have outgrown their starter medium)?

These types of 'hazes' are said to require additional nutrients in the finishing periods. Would topping with supersoil be a good bet?

And as an aside, any thoughts on plant density/sq. ft. for a Scrog, using your soil in a 7- or 10- gal. containers.

Thanks very much for your efforts helping the rest of us along...
 
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somebody041

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well, i just mixed up my first batch of super soil and i can't wait for it to be ready! i used two different kinds of bloom bat guano... and i couldn't find any azomite so i got trace mineral additive derived from volcanic ash. i mixed up 1/3 of a batch and watered with 2 gallons RO water. right now the cans are sitting in my basement which averages temps of 70-85. should i have the lids on or keep them open?
 
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YouGrowBoy

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Hi, Great thread. I'm not sure if Subcool is still lurking but I have some questions. Please help me switch from hydro to organic. kiss-ass

I went to my local nursery to find some of ingredients for SS. They had several brands of blood meal and bone meal. All of the different brands had different NPK values for their product. For insance, one brand of bone meal was 1% N and the other was 2.5% N. How do i know which is best for this recipe?

Is it possible to let us know the optimum NPK value for each ingredient or what brands you recommend? I'd like to get the same end result as you.

Also is Kelloggs an OK alternative base organic potting soil?

Thanks, YGB
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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YouGrowBoy said:
Hi, Great thread. I'm not sure if Subcool is still lurking but I have some questions. Please help me switch from hydro to organic. kiss-ass

I went to my local nursery to find some of ingredients for SS. They had several brands of blood meal and bone meal. All of the different brands had different NPK values for their product. For insance, one brand of bone meal was 1% N and the other was 2.5% N. How do i know which is best for this recipe?

Is it possible to let us know the optimum NPK value for each ingredient or what brands you recommend? I'd like to get the same end result as you.

Also is Kelloggs an OK alternative base organic potting soil?

Thanks, YGB
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Great question. I was thinking similar recently. I know that worm castings can be extremely variable on NPK because it depends quite a bit on how they are fed. I didn't know there as as much variability in bone and blood meal too.

Also, I have been reading about that azomite and it sounds like good stuff too. It seems pretty cheap ordering from Amazon.com. I wonder how it compares to green sand which I hear is also good. I was thinking about mixing the two in case there's some overlap.
 
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YouGrowBoy

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All I want to do is duplicate, as close I possibly can, Subcool's SuperSoil. I don't think he uses any greensand. It's nice to know I can get azomite at Amazon.
 
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somebody041

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mindphuk said:
Great question. I was thinking similar recently. I know that worm castings can be extremely variable on NPK because it depends quite a bit on how they are fed. I didn't know there as as much variability in bone and blood meal too.

Also, I have been reading about that azomite and it sounds like good stuff too. It seems pretty cheap ordering from Amazon.com. I wonder how it compares to green sand which I hear is also good. I was thinking about mixing the two in case there's some overlap.
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green sand takes a lot longer to break down
 
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subcool

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Given the additional length of time needed, are 7-gal pots sufficient, or do I need to go to 10-gal? (Is that the same as a #10 container?)

Yes just top dress heavily at day 30 with SS I have strains that run out of gas in a 7 but its rare so you should be fine. Also understand not all plants like SS ECSD freaked out and went herm in my hot soil and I ragged the clone, Later I found out it can be grown with less herms in cooler soil so know that.

I've read what I could find of your 'Soil 101', and don't recall the ratio of regular potting soil/supersoil to be used with clones (or after seedlings have outgrown their starter medium)?


I dont use SS on seedlings or clones it will fry em I use plain Roots or Biobiz Light
These types of 'hazes' are said to require additional nutrients in the finishing periods. Would topping with supersoil be a good bet?

And as an aside, any thoughts on plant density/sq. ft. for a Scrog, using your soil in a 7- or 10- gal. containers.

I cant advise on scrog I just fill the room with cannabis I get 4 plants under a 1k
 
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subcool

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somebody041 said:
well, i just mixed up my first batch of super soil and i can't wait for it to be ready! i used two different kinds of bloom bat guano... and i couldn't find any azomite so i got trace mineral additive derived from volcanic ash. i mixed up 1/3 of a batch and watered with 2 gallons RO water. right now the cans are sitting in my basement which averages temps of 70-85. should i have the lids on or keep them open?
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Close em up and let em stink
 
subcool

subcool

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YouGrowBoy said:
Hi, Great thread. I'm not sure if Subcool is still lurking but I have some questions. Please help me switch from hydro to organic. kiss-ass

I went to my local nursery to find some of ingredients for SS. They had several brands of blood meal and bone meal. All of the different brands had different NPK values for their product. For insance, one brand of bone meal was 1% N and the other was 2.5% N. How do i know which is best for this recipe?

Is it possible to let us know the optimum NPK value for each ingredient or what brands you recommend? I'd like to get the same end result as you.

I have never broken it down to the level you guys are asking maybe thats why Ed says my Soil reciep is un complete. Whys he keep using my bud shots for covers though????


I use high quality products and I have used a few diff ratios with great results,
the piece of mind stuff works great!

I will try and pay more attention to the numbers next time I am at the shop.
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YouGrowBoy

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subcool said:
I use high quality products and I have used a few diff ratios with great results,
the piece of mind stuff works great!

I will try and pay more attention to the numbers next time I am at the shop.
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Thanks Subcool, you are also too cool!

Maybe I was over thinking it then. Trying to get the exact recipe.

If you don't pay attention to the NPK values and grow dank then why should I? It certainly makes life a lot easier. If I buy quality products then I should be OK.

However, knowing what values you do use would be helpful.

Thanks again, YGB
 
greenthumb111

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YouGrowBoy said:
Thanks Subcool, you are also too cool!

Maybe I was over thinking it then. Trying to get the exact recipe.

If you don't pay attention to the NPK values and grow dank then why should I? It certainly makes life a lot easier. If I buy quality products then I should be OK.

However, knowing what values you do use would be helpful.

Thanks again, YGB
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Sub

I would still like to know the cuft of Roots or Potting soil used in your recipe. Your recipe just says 8 bags. Is that 1.5 cuft. 2 cuft, or 3 cuft bags? Thx
 
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88Bellamy

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I'm so glad I joined this forum!!! Thanks for all the info subcool! Going to try a mix similar to this with all homemade nutes. I've subcribed and as soon as I get my grow going I will sort my profile and get a journal up, I too want to prove that we don't need to spend loads to make brilliant soil and nutes!!!
 
Tomfoolery

Tomfoolery

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Hey Subcool, I'm not very active on this forum but I just wanted to thank you for sharing this soil recipe. I started my super soil grow roughly two months ago and the results have drastically exceded my expectations. Besides the little bit of work prepping the mix the grow has been so easy up to this point and the results are phenominal.

I have never grown healthier looking plants with less effort and guesswork. I think I will be a very happy man in approximately six weeks. The mix is perfect for my situation as I have to travel quite often and I have no worries about leaving my crops in less experienced hands while I am gone. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. You have done a good thing for the community.
 
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somebody041 said:
excellent thanks, should i add any holes for air exchange or anything or just have it completely sealed? how often do you have to water the mix while it's cookin?
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found an answer to my question... for anyone else interested:

you want to make sure to have some air holes so the compost can get some oxygen
 
subcool

subcool

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I am not sure where you got your answer but I do not make any additional air holes It might help or it might allow pest inside the soil like ants
 
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somebody041

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subcool said:
I am not sure where you got your answer but I do not make any additional air holes It might help or it might allow pest inside the soil like ants
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i typed in "compost in a trash can" in google and the first three websites that came up all suggested it so it sounded good to me.

http://organicgardening.about.com/od/compost/a/cancomposter.htm

http://www.ehow.com/how_16876_make-compost-bin.html

http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf25050788.tip.html

as i go down the list and click on links they all mention having holes.
 
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subcool

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somebody041 said:
i typed in "compost in a trash can" in google and the first three websites that came up all suggested it so it sounded good to me.

http://organicgardening.about.com/od/compost/a/cancomposter.htm

http://www.ehow.com/how_16876_make-compost-bin.html

http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf25050788.tip.html

as i go down the list and click on links they all mention having holes.
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I wonder how good of Dank they grow?

Yeah go with google on this I am sure they know more than I about Cannabis :)

Sub
 
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