Subcool seeds bad customer service

I've only had 2 seeds not germ out of hundreds. Not sure its the company's fault

I've been running the same clone for 12 years. I don't understand what people mean by a clone getting weak over time. A clone is a new fresh plant with the same genetics and should always be the same. It's your conditions that are changing.

after a few years moms die and the clones are weaker copys of that mom thats like if blood wreck died the 3rd generation clone away from the origenal mom isnt as strong and the clones from that for flowering aren't the same as the origenal mom

YODA OG 0420TGA said:

after a few years moms die and the clones are weaker copys of that mom thats like if blood wreck died the 3rd generation clone away from the origenal mom isnt as strong and the clones from that for flowering aren't the same as the origenal mom

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I disagree, I have had brothers grimm c99 and a big bud x Hawaiian in a perpetual grow for 8 years and going. My strains are still sill vigorous and dank! I feel it depends on where you take you cuts and when! I prefer to take the top in its most lush, supple form. And make sure the plant that your taking the cuts from is healthy. Who knows I just may have lucked out with strong genetics? Just a thought.

I'm sorry to hear of your problems with your last batch. Keep your head up bro be positive and things will turn around for you! Sending good vibes!

WTF, this guy should be banned, he obviously trolling.

He starts a thread and then doesn't answer even when sub replies.

its bullshit anyways, I have never personally met sub, he doesn't know me in anyway, but I am a huge fan and only grow TGA now.
I sent him an email and got a reply within 30 minutes AND he's going outta his way to do something stupid for me he don't really have to do. Now that's customer and fan loyalty, how many other people can u actually have contact with!

if its anything to do with seeds, ie not germing or whatever, I'm pretty sure he's made it clear his site doesn't sell seeds, and the chances are if you had issues with the beans its because they weren't stored by the people that sold them to you properly.

but why am I wasting my breath cos ur just a bullshitter, like sub said, even if u sent him 40 emails telling him to fuck off, he reply eventually!

YODA OG 0420TGA said:

after a few years moms die and the clones are weaker copys of that mom thats like if blood wreck died the 3rd generation clone away from the origenal mom isnt as strong and the clones from that for flowering aren't the same as the origenal mom

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Ive heard that's not true, though I don't have experience of many generations of clones. Ive recloned one plant i have maybe 6-7 times and theres no difference.
But sub has said he doesn't keep mothers, he literally clones, then clones, then reclones. And that's what he uses to breed with.
the logic behind it, I think he said was this: the genetic drift that's get with many generations of cloning was first mentioned by the Dutch and they may have found it because they inbred for many generations and basically this washes down the gene pool.
how sub does it is with hybrid vigour, so every genetic he has, hasn't been inbred and selected (the Dutch selected wrong genetics for years, they thought males should be strong, but sub reckons this is a main cause for hermies).
Thats also why you get so many phenos, now some may say this isn't really breeding as sub isn't locking down traits for generations, blah, blah, blah, but the fact is, TGA make some of the best genetics available and I don't know another seed company where ever strain is good

TrichomeBob said:

WTF, this guy should be banned, he obviously trolling.

He starts a thread and then doesn't answer even when sub replies.

its bullshit anyways, I have never personally met sub, he doesn't know me in anyway, but I am a huge fan and only grow TGA now.
I sent him an email and got a reply within 30 minutes AND he's going outta his way to do something stupid for me he don't really have to do. Now that's customer and fan loyalty, how many other people can u actually have contact with!

if its anything to do with seeds, ie not germing or whatever, I'm pretty sure he's made it clear his site doesn't sell seeds, and the chances are if you had issues with the beans its because they weren't stored by the people that sold them to you properly.

but why am I wasting my breath cos ur just a bullshitter, like sub said, even if u sent him 40 emails telling him to fuck off, he reply eventually!

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He started a second thread apologizing, and stated that he was wrong in the matter.

Haha, what a tool!

He made a mistake. He apologized. You've never been wrong in your life? Give the guy a break.

subcool said:

Thats a 46 minute response time in a random forum Imagine if you actually e-mailed the TGA websiteSub

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I've sent u 3 or 4 e mails/PM's w never a response so I just gave up and stopped sending and asking and considered u "unreachable"...I didn't cry abt it just figured u didn't fuck w that type a shit or maybe u have someone else chk ur messages n stuff....I was pretty excited and for a few days actualy expected a response...never got one so I just eventualy gave up.....I've never purchased tga seeds but am a big subcool fan and regular weed nerd watcher...I can see where this guys coming frm kinda...if I woulda spent 100s or thousands on tga genetics id b upset too...but y?..I buy dna genetics and I don't even know who owns em...and def have no reason to wanna contact em...ppl wanna contact u sub cause u make urself seem accessable and approachable...its almost like u interact w us daily on here or on the nerd....so it seemed like it would b easy to shoot u a question or whatever and interact w u.....I was goin thru some issues w opiates and had a couple questions abt what strains may b helpful w withdrawls and stff like that...I never could get a responce frm u so I just gave up...i stayed a fan tho and stil watch the nerd.....I try and put myself in ur shoes and yes I would try and answer all emails and messages but would I actaully take the time to do it?....no

All I can say is I do my best I get thousands of e-mails and pm's and text and phone calls and very little time to myself.
If I am in a good mood and have the time I answer some if not I don't.
As my health declines I will answer less I spend lots of time at hospitals and doctors offices, but I put 15 years of free grow info online if thats not enough I'm not sure what is.
I can't be everyones councilor and adviser I simply do not have the time.

It won't be long I won't even stop by here thats just life.

Sub

Sub. Just know that for every one person that's bitching about this or that, there's twenty nerds that have your back. Don't waste your time with people who don't come proper.Have a dank fuggin' day!

9 out of 10 Jack Skellington that popped.back row is 5 out 5 Chernobyl that popped and front is 10 out of 10 Plushberry that popped. this is for you sub and all the haters. TGA seeds work for me.

Just realized this was for the bad customer service thread and not the bad seed review but either way F them haters.

Yes it's interesting, I didn't know that some genetics produced mothers that declined in value in just a few years...

Vincent VonBlown said:

Yes it's interesting, I didn't know that some genetics produced mothers that declined in value in just a few years...

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Its that some growers pick mothers with genetics that only after years of growing out realize werent that good in the first place.

sorry to hear about your health issues Sub. My prayers are with you.

subcool said:

All I can say is I do my best I get thousands of e-mails and pm's and text and phone calls and very little time to myself.
If I am in a good mood and have the time I answer some if not I don't.
As my health declines I will answer less I spend lots of time at hospitals and doctors offices, but I put 15 years of free grow info online if thats not enough I'm not sure what is.
I can't be everyones councilor and adviser I simply do not have the time.

It won't be long I won't even stop by here thats just life.

Sub

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im sure ur "inbox" is overloaded daily...w/ 95% bullshit to top it off....I appreciate everything ive learned frm u...I chk ur you tube channel daily hoping to see new stuff so ur doin somthing right obviously....ha

Get well sub wish you the best bro you defenetly contributed to the cause and have spred your knoledge and killer strains by starting TGA.

You know Sub, you are probably having problems with your lungs because you keep smoking.
I have a similar predicament, I can’t really smoke either, or I just start choking.
I don't care to vaporize, That’s why I ''ignite'', it let’s me smoke all day long... I almost have Mr. Wonder convinced that the simplicity of the concept Is indeed the best way to smoke... It's so simple, just take a close knit metal screen, and put it over your pipe. Then hit the screen with a jet lighter... The weed/hash is then cooked with convection by the screen... It's incredibly simple, but it took me a long time to see it myself... There is nothing better...