hanimmal
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How much would it suck to be the two people who nobody knows who you are in this clip?
Stuff that doesn't really fit in either "Examples of" thread....
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
omg a Motorola brick
OldMedUser
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I had the Nokia version about 1992. Was about $800 and my first bill was over $400 ffs. Probably still in a box out in the carport somewhere.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Someone explain to me how unarmed spysats are “destabilizing.” Imo that is counterintuitive.
www.cnbc.com
China's military, state media slam U.S. after report on SpaceX spy satellites
Chinese military and state media criticized the U.S. for global security threats following a report on SpaceX building spy satellites.
Nugnewbie
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It must only be "destabilizing" if the USA does it, as they are planning to create their own according to the article.Someone explain to me how unarmed spysats are “destabilizing.” Imo that is counterintuitive.
China's military, state media slam U.S. after report on SpaceX spy satellites
Chinese military and state media criticized the U.S. for global security threats following a report on SpaceX building spy satellites.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Destabilizing sounds like a hypocritical cover story for a regime that wants to hide their activities.
Improved ISR is by definition stabilizing — unless there is a plan to start a war. So that tells me something about Xi’s long game, and it ain’t good.
ooof-da
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part of me feels this is propaganda by the PLA just as we get from our government to begin (loose term) to prepare for the very real possibility that china will overcome the US in both wealth and military might. the US won’t let it happen without a fight (literally) and that is what I believe china is doing, preparing the population for a very long hard time. I am not saying this is a year away or even a decade away but “at some point” there will be a shift imo. funny that Elon needs china really bad for his Tesla company so not sure how all that will sort. china is heavily invested in EVs at the same time they are playing nice w/ Tesla. IDK….its a mixed up worldSomeone explain to me how unarmed spysats are “destabilizing.” Imo that is counterintuitive.
China's military, state media slam U.S. after report on SpaceX spy satellites
Chinese military and state media criticized the U.S. for global security threats following a report on SpaceX building spy satellites.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Skum’s hubris will eventually bite him in the Elongation. Nemesis is one patient bitch.
ooof-da
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Hubris is to be proud/shameless before the gods.I need to google some words again.
Nemesis is righteous retribution.
Sativied
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”Millions of Americans could soon lose home internet access if lawmakers don’t act”
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Jesus... I pay roughly $81 p/m too, for everything (fiber, seemingly infinite cable channels, phone connection). In most of the rest of Europe it's cheaper. Only streaming service I pay for is Spotify though.
The State of Consumer Media Spending: How Much Are Americans Spending on Internet, Phone, and TV?
The lifetime costs of internet and streaming services, along with cell phone plans, may strain your budget. We’ll give you tips to lower your costs.
www.reviews.org
Jesus... I pay roughly $81 p/m too, for everything (fiber, seemingly infinite cable channels, phone connection). In most of the rest of Europe it's cheaper. Only streaming service I pay for is Spotify though.
CANON_Grow
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Europe seems to have a much better philosophy as it relates to political intervention when it comes to protecting their citizens from corporations, compared to North America. Canada has the most expensive internet and cellular rates in the world, literally. A few years ago, friends of mine that were living in the U.S. for several years, when they moved back kept their US cell phone number and plan for as long as they could because it was still so much cheaper compared to moving to a Canadian carrier.”Millions of Americans could soon lose home internet access if lawmakers don’t act”
The State of Consumer Media Spending: How Much Are Americans Spending on Internet, Phone, and TV?
The lifetime costs of internet and streaming services, along with cell phone plans, may strain your budget. We’ll give you tips to lower your costs.
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Jesus... I pay roughly $81 p/m too, for everything (fiber, seemingly infinite cable channels, phone connection). In most of the rest of Europe it's cheaper. Only streaming service I pay for is Spotify though.
For home internet, cable TV, and home phone; my bill in September was $302.28 - that didn't include mobile. I ended up switching to a different company that month as the bill stated an internet price increase was coming in November. There are many people in Toronto that live in apartments or condominiums that are not able to switch, buildings wired for one of two providers and not allowed to install a sat dish/antenna. Canada has a major oligopoly problem.
Sativied
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EU is pretty tough on monopolies, cartel behavior, and oligopolies alike. Not quite there yet, but Internet is somewhat considered a public utility. Your rates, compared to minimum and modal income would be unacceptable and probably cause political outrage, nationally and on EU level. I get some areas are hard to reach but opening up streets and going through and around structures and nature is a very costly affair here too. Not for most customer though, usually it means a one-time fee of hundreds, not thousand.
Big part of it is the open market in EU. More accurately in this case the initial opening. Every country had its own carriers and provider and every country wanted to have theirs to have a fair shot, not be pushed out by those from larger EU members. In NL we got for example 11 different mobile providers operating on 4 different networks (from British Vodaphone, Dutch KPN, German T-Mobile and Swedish Tele2, though the latter two merged recently into Odido). So there’s a lot of competition and almost always multiple competing options. New players go to court to demand access to core physical networks (of often former goverment owned telcos).
So much competition there’s an entire industry for just comparing prices. Reminds me of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Woldring
“internet entrepreneur and millionaire from Usquert who first rose to fame in the autumn of 1998 [at the age of 13] when, for a school assignment, he made a website where consumers could compare prices for mobile phone services.”
Many copied his idea, it’s literally an entire industry now. Anything from healthcare to energy co. One is considered dumb not to use them. Still, despite all that competition, they all seem to make plenty of profits.
Something similar is happening with public transportation, like Italians who through open market and fair competition laws in EU try to force the right to use trains tracks in northern europe, offering cheaper tickets.
Ive found Canada to be much more expensive in the media than the usa, but also usa tacks everything on, howeverrrrr if youre ever so lucky like me to live in an apartment complex they dont even let you get your own tech anymore you have to pay monthly for their "technology packages" you know cause its. a "luxury" apartment which you cannot opt out of , I pay 110 for tv, internet and my front door LOCK .
thats howthey get you the stupid smart lock, but Colorado recently put a cap on thatso its going down to $77 in lease renewal BUT the corporation decided well if you cannot do that than we will add a Community fee of $45 to everyones monthly rent so basically its 110 still.
and dont forget they add an additional $10 fee to bill youthese things monthly
thats howthey get you the stupid smart lock, but Colorado recently put a cap on thatso its going down to $77 in lease renewal BUT the corporation decided well if you cannot do that than we will add a Community fee of $45 to everyones monthly rent so basically its 110 still.
and dont forget they add an additional $10 fee to bill youthese things monthly
OldMedUser
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While it's true we here in Canada pay more for these services a big part of that is our smaller population density compared to the US and EU.
Well over half of Canada's population lives within the lower quarter of the country so there are vast areas with less than one person per square kilometre while some southern cities have higher population densities than many US or EU cities.
If you live outside a town or city in the north like I do access to many services is limited or non-existent. We only upgraded from dial-up internet to a fairly slow wireless service in 2012. If more than one person in the house tried watching even lower rez video at the same time there were lots of pauses. Very annoying. Not long ago we upgraded that to a new wireless service provided by Telus called the Hub. My best download speeds now are 6x faster at around 1MBps. We've been getting many drop-outs lasting from a minute or two to up to half an hour sometimes many times a day which I have been logging and will be raising hell with them soonish.
I still have a land-line also thru Telus as is my satellite TV service. Switching to the Hub and getting all 3 services thru the same company is saving me $80/mth. They are phasing out satellite TV and are supposed to offer TV via the Hub but if it drops out like the internet does it's going to be very annoying to say the least. Cell service is pretty crappy with only 1 bar here in the mancave and 2 or 3 in the living room at the front of the house facing the nearest tower. I have my desktop hard-wired from the Hub modem in the living room for faster service. Last year I had to upgrade to a new 5G capable phone as the app for my new drone wouldn't install on the old one but we won't get 5G cell service for a while yet.
No cable TV here, no home delivery of any kind so if we want a pizza it's a 20mile/30km round trip to get one and the same for mail so we make two trips to town every week for that. Zip for public transit and even Greyhound stopped passenger service a couple years ago.
Density map from 2016 but I doubt it's changed since then other than maybe a bit higher density in the south.
Well over half of Canada's population lives within the lower quarter of the country so there are vast areas with less than one person per square kilometre while some southern cities have higher population densities than many US or EU cities.
If you live outside a town or city in the north like I do access to many services is limited or non-existent. We only upgraded from dial-up internet to a fairly slow wireless service in 2012. If more than one person in the house tried watching even lower rez video at the same time there were lots of pauses. Very annoying. Not long ago we upgraded that to a new wireless service provided by Telus called the Hub. My best download speeds now are 6x faster at around 1MBps. We've been getting many drop-outs lasting from a minute or two to up to half an hour sometimes many times a day which I have been logging and will be raising hell with them soonish.
I still have a land-line also thru Telus as is my satellite TV service. Switching to the Hub and getting all 3 services thru the same company is saving me $80/mth. They are phasing out satellite TV and are supposed to offer TV via the Hub but if it drops out like the internet does it's going to be very annoying to say the least. Cell service is pretty crappy with only 1 bar here in the mancave and 2 or 3 in the living room at the front of the house facing the nearest tower. I have my desktop hard-wired from the Hub modem in the living room for faster service. Last year I had to upgrade to a new 5G capable phone as the app for my new drone wouldn't install on the old one but we won't get 5G cell service for a while yet.
No cable TV here, no home delivery of any kind so if we want a pizza it's a 20mile/30km round trip to get one and the same for mail so we make two trips to town every week for that. Zip for public transit and even Greyhound stopped passenger service a couple years ago.
Density map from 2016 but I doubt it's changed since then other than maybe a bit higher density in the south.
im just saying as someone who has lived in both i always found canadas cell phone rates to be exceeding high, when i moved here i have unlimited data and full phone service including long distance back home for like 40 bucksWhile it's true we here in Canada pay more for these services a big part of that is our smaller population density compared to the US and EU.
Well over half of Canada's population lives within the lower quarter of the country so there are vast areas with less than one person per square kilometre while some southern cities have higher population densities than many US or EU cities.
If you live outside a town or city in the north like I do access to many services is limited or non-existent. We only upgraded from dial-up internet to a fairly slow wireless service in 2012. If more than one person in the house tried watching even lower rez video at the same time there were lots of pauses. Very annoying. Not long ago we upgraded that to a new wireless service provided by Telus called the Hub. My best download speeds now are 6x faster at around 1MBps. We've been getting many drop-outs lasting from a minute or two to up to half an hour sometimes many times a day which I have been logging and will be raising hell with them soonish.
I still have a land-line also thru Telus as is my satellite TV service. Switching to the Hub and getting all 3 services thru the same company is saving me $80/mth. They are phasing out satellite TV and are supposed to offer TV via the Hub but if it drops out like the internet does it's going to be very annoying to say the least. Cell service is pretty crappy with only 1 bar here in the mancave and 2 or 3 in the living room at the front of the house facing the nearest tower. I have my desktop hard-wired from the Hub modem in the living room for faster service. Last year I had to upgrade to a new 5G capable phone as the app for my new drone wouldn't install on the old one but we won't get 5G cell service for a while yet.
No cable TV here, no home delivery of any kind so if we want a pizza it's a 20mile/30km round trip to get one and the same for mail so we make two trips to town every week for that. Zip for public transit and even Greyhound stopped passenger service a couple years ago.
Density map from 2016 but I doubt it's changed since then other than maybe a bit higher density in the south.
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OldMedUser
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We got grandfathered into a deal we got over 20 years ago as Telus dial-up customers for long distance. $19.95/mth on top of our regular phone bill for 8000 min/mth long distance. Even worked to call a buddy in Hawaii I used to chat with fairly often. At that time the closest number for the dial-up was a long distance call and why they brought that in.
You're right that our cell rates are way high but I think part of that is some of the costs and low profit margins to cover the north are spread across the whole system to even it out or we'd be paying way more than our southern counterparts for the same plans. Before I had to upgrade my phone I was paying about $20/mth for a very limited plan but we hardly use our cell phones and I can go days without a call on mine. The wife is the main user of our land line for gabbing to her friends back in BC and is on the phone for a few hours every day where I call my mom once a week or less and gab for an hour or more and maybe talk to my son for 15 min once a month.
We don't use our cell phones for much else than making calls or keeping in touch if one of us is away from the house or we go to the city and are apart. All banking etc is done on the computers at home unlike many who do everything on a cell phone these days.
20 bucks is great but ive never heard anyone doing that! , when i lived back home not even 10 years ago i paid over 85 bucks a month. but im also of a generation who uses their phone alot.We got grandfathered into a deal we got over 20 years ago as Telus dial-up customers for long distance. $19.95/mth on top of our regular phone bill for 8000 min/mth long distance. Even worked to call a buddy in Hawaii I used to chat with fairly often. At that time the closest number for the dial-up was a long distance call and why they brought that in.
You're right that our cell rates are way high but I think part of that is some of the costs and low profit margins to cover the north are spread across the whole system to even it out or we'd be paying way more than our southern counterparts for the same plans. Before I had to upgrade my phone I was paying about $20/mth for a very limited plan but we hardly use our cell phones and I can go days without a call on mine. The wife is the main user of our land line for gabbing to her friends back in BC and is on the phone for a few hours every day where I call my mom once a week or less and gab for an hour or more and maybe talk to my son for 15 min once a month.
We don't use our cell phones for much else than making calls or keeping in touch if one of us is away from the house or we go to the city and are apart. All banking etc is done on the computers at home unlike many who do everything on a cell phone these days.