Padawanbater2
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Here's Sanders in West Virginia convincing rural, right-wing, conservative voters progressive policies work
Study: Hillary Clinton’s TV ads were almost entirely policy-free
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Padawanbater2
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ttystikk
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The current political climate of both parties being beholden to monied interests represents an historic opportunity for a new party to come to prominence, one that represents the majority of citizens who don't have the financial wherewithal to participate in the current 'pay to play' system.
It remains to be seen if there is the will to organize such a party and promote it to its perceived potential constituents.
It remains to be seen if there is the will to organize such a party and promote it to its perceived potential constituents.
ttystikk
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A new party with a platform of outlawing cash influencing our political system.
UncleBuck
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Fogdog
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It's very simple. @Padawanbater2 refers to an opinion poll.
STANDING OVATION!
@Fogdog I just don't think your opinion explains the facts, the mood of actual voters or their preferences as well as @Padawanbater2's assertions here.
Call me a leftie or a socialist all you want, but that's your bias talking. I'm A CENTRIST, and the country is falling off the the right wing authoritarian fascist cliff. Why? Because corrosive and their major shareholders want it this way and they'll do whatever it takes to hold back the progressive tsunami, one they know is coming.
Most people don't vote for that stuff.
Opinion polls don't matter. Only elections matter and lately people in most states are voting for people who oppose those policies.
Do you remember that just last year, Colorado voters rejected universal healthcare coverage? The election day polling results weren't even close. 80% against. Opinion poll, 80% for. Reason? Those damn Democrats told voters how much it was going to cost them.
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Fogdog
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The 111th congress got most of those important left leaning bills done in only 2 months and one week.
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Padawanbater2
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They're voting for people they think will change the status quo, in many cases, in Trump's case, they're voting for people pushing fake populism. Trump said during the campaign his healthcare plan would cover everyone and be cheaper than the ACA; he supported universal healthcare. He was against the TPP, exporting jobs, etc. Only a few examples. Republicans won because Democrats have failed to support actual populism. Americans are largely progressive when it comes to the issues, they're simply never given the chance to support an actual progressive, and moderates don't get people to the polls.
UncleBuck
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that ronan guy you said you support is a republican.
abandonconflict
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"Pushing fake populism"
I think you don't know what populism is. It isn't fake populism if it is someone posing as a hero of the masses leading a charge as an outsider to the establishment to enact the will of the people, then becoming authoritarian.
That's just populism. It goes left or right.
I think you don't know what populism is. It isn't fake populism if it is someone posing as a hero of the masses leading a charge as an outsider to the establishment to enact the will of the people, then becoming authoritarian.
That's just populism. It goes left or right.
PCXV
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Republicans have done a great job lying to people about being populist. They used hope and hate to drive people to the polls. All based on lies, and because the majority of Americans are extremely ignorant when it comes to politics, public policy, fact checking, and pretty much braindead when it comes to critical thinking, it worked.
Padawanbater2
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Trump said during the campaign many times he supports the concerns of ordinary people. Then, when he became president, he so far has done the complete opposite. So, he was faking being a populist or caring about the concerns of average Americans
Padawanbater2
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abandonconflict
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This drunk white guy can't read.
Fogdog
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Too funny that you say the country is thirsting for radical populism when most of the states in this country vote for radical right wingers who oppose all those policies. What you are doing is projecting your wishes and not trying to learn the truth.
How do you know what people are thinking? I don't make that ridiculous claim, I look at what people are doing. What they are doing is voting for right wing radicals. The theory that Trump was voted in because of economic policies has been disproven. People mostly voted for Trump because they were fragile whites who were attracted to his sexist and racist policies and language. Fortunately, Trump is inept and the right wing congress is unable to mount enough votes to pass the radical right's legislation. This is giving Democrats a chance to turn the tides. Not because states are suddenly thirsting for radical left wing policies but because the radical right currently in control is too far right.
Sanders supporters appear ridiculous to the more conservative state's voters. You guys don't have a chance except in states like mine that is more liberal than other states.
By the way, you continue to misuse the term progressive. To be progressive is to support progress. There are conservative progressives and liberal progressives. In some ways, you are a conservative progressive.
UncleBuck
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that ronan guy you said you support is a republican
PCXV
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Not by every defintion, but by some it does seem there is inherently an ulterior motive or an underlying motivation to mislead. Mostly I've understood it as the basic google defintion of representing the concerns of the average person in any given population. But debating the merits of the idea, is it really possible or even desirable? What defines the ordinary person? Is that just another word for majority tyranny? What about the minority?
Padawanbater2
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The people that voted for TEA Party Republicans during Obama's administration were not the same people who support populist left positions. Obama and the Democrats didn't offer them anything of substance after he was elected, so they stayed home during the midterms. Obama earned nearly 5 million more votes in 2008 than he did in 2012 after 4 years governing.
Americans consistently support progressive positions when it comes to policy issues, except on the 2nd amendment and capital punishment.
The people who are voting are not progressive. Progressives largely stay home because they're not interested in voting for an establishment Democrat
Trump won because of the white working class in the rust belt
Fortunately, Obama is inept and the left wing congress is unable to mount enough votes to pass the radical left's legislation. This is giving Republicans a chance to turn the tides. Not because states are suddenly thirsting for radical right wing policies but because the radical left currently in control is too far left. -Republicans in 2009
Sanders receives standing ovations in deep red states like West Virginia from deeply conservative voters who identify with his positions on policy
PCXV
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The ones I've talked to did it for social and economic reasons. They really believed Trump about everyone getting covered and cheaper (healthcare), more job growth, lower taxes for just the middle class and reduced debt (I know, they are literally retarded), closing loopholes, cutting regulation (policy they don't even understand), building the wall, banning Muslims, shutting down BLM, and returning America to Reagan.
UncleBuck
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you're watching too much chris matthews, padaraper.
that sam ronan guy you supported to run the DNC is a republican.