Stones Journal

Ok this is going to be a half ass grow so dont give me too much shit. I need to leave on vacation in 13 weeks so i have to do a 12/12 from seed grow. Dont worry this is bagseed i got for free so im not too worried about it. I did get my seeds from Nirvana yesterday for when i get back:

5 fem white widow
5 fem northern lights
5 fem bubbelicous
5 fem super skunk
10 free

I will be growing when i get back so im super excited about that. But for now this will ( I hope ) get me through vacation.

I threw these in a tupperware dish with two papertowels and closed it with a lid, 24 hours 3 cracked and 1 a day later. So i threw them in small containers. I just moved them yesterday to a little bigger pots with 50/50 mix of fox farm planting mix and seedling mix. When the get bigger im planning on fox farm ocean mix that i got today. I also have all my nutes all fox farm. Right now i have them on 545 watts of cfls and plan on adding cfls to the sides of my box as they grow but for now that should be good. My exhaust fan moves around 158 CFM and the box is 25 Cubic feet so the air gets exchanged roughly 6 times an hour. Also my humidifier is on high and keeps it 45% RH. Temps dont get above 77 during the day. As i add more cfls ill need to turn my exhaust fan up on high in order to keep up or just add another humidifier (really keeps things cool in a grow box/room.) Overall the box is able to handle 27 lights and 1350 watts. So we will see what happens. These seedlings are 3 days old. Here are some pics. Comments are always a plus.

P.S. Medical marijuana is like a blessing...

looks good for a grow you don't give a shit about. Good luck

I did a test with all the light in and here is what it looks like.

Pipe Dream said:

looks good for a grow you don't give a shit about. Good luck

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well you know what i mean. I shouldnt say i dont give a shit about it, but I wont be hugely dissapointed if something goes wrong.

that box is sick i need a box for vegging.

Added a second humidifier now temp is at 72.1 and humidity is 47%. Is this a good range?

update, these are 7 days old. will update once a week. I did notice the one seedlings leaves are starting to turn purple and smell like weed already. is this from the night air when temps get to 67?

13 days old today, they were moved 20 minutes ago to their permanent pots so they are little unhappy. Soil is straight fox farm ocean forrest. Added 4 more 30 watt CFL's to a total of 665 watts. Temps holding steady at 83 degrees and humidity at 43%. Looking good so far. I dont think i have seen wattage like this in a CFL grow so im curious to see what the outcome will be. Im planning on adding another 8 more 30 watt CFLs as needed. Im not going to exceed my 905 watt goal though. This bagseed is looking to be Indica dominant.

The plants sure popped up after being transplanted yesteday. Their roots were all at the bottom of my other little pots so im sure they were drooping a little from being rootbound. Added a carbon filter with a can fan on the intake of my box that I bought from menards today. This cooled the box back down to 80 so im glad. Im sure i will be able to add more CFLs as needed now. Well i guess ill keep posting even though nobody really reads or comments....

Hey whats up stonesour im gonna be followin this one.. that cfl box you made is sick dude.. how many watts are the cfl's you have hanging at the top? and are those mogul sockets larger than the standard light socket?

drewsb420 said:

Hey whats up stonesour im gonna be followin this one.. that cfl box you made is sick dude.. how many watts are the cfl's you have hanging at the top? and are those mogul sockets larger than the standard light socket?

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standard light sockets. I have 4- 85 watt 2700K bulbs and 1- 85 watt 5000K bulb in the middle. The rest are 30 watt 2700K. There are a total of 27 standard light sockets to accomodate every angle. Right now im sitting at 665 watts running. lol. Thanks for commenting!!

stonesour said:

standard light sockets. I have 4- 85 watt 2700K bulbs and 1- 85 watt 5000K bulb in the middle. The rest are 30 watt 2700K. There are a total of 27 standard light sockets to accomodate every angle. Right now im sitting at 665 watts running. lol. Thanks for commenting!!

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Wow dude! thats a lot of cfl-age going on in that box! Your fan must sound like a low flying aircraft to keep all that cool!! Can I assume you upgraded your electric if you are planning on going to 1300 watts? maybe you just ran new electric and a sub panel... that would be best.

BTW temps in the 70's and humidity in the 40's should be perfect.

Jed

10jed said:

Wow dude! thats a lot of cfl-age going on in that box! Your fan must sound like a low flying aircraft to keep all that cool!! Can I assume you upgraded your electric if you are planning on going to 1300 watts? maybe you just ran new electric and a sub panel... that would be best.

BTW temps in the 70's and humidity in the 40's should be perfect.

Jed

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The sound isnt too bad, the furnace fan runs all the time so it isnt any louder than that. just kinda blends in with the furnace sound. I just used single 15amp breaker for the whole box, should be able to handle that. Im fighting 80-82 degrees right now. I cannot get the temps any lower. I can open the door and the temps drop but the smell would be a problem. I have inlaws coming in three weeks so i hope i dont have a smell issue.

stonesour said:

The sound isnt too bad, the furnace fan runs all the time so it isnt any louder than that. just kinda blends in with the furnace sound. I just used single 15amp breaker for the whole box, should be able to handle that. Im fighting 80-82 degrees right now. I cannot get the temps any lower. I can open the door and the temps drop but the smell would be a problem. I have inlaws coming in three weeks so i hope i dont have a smell issue.

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OK... just did a reread... Looking at your first pics of your box I see you have a ton of light leaks. that doesn't cut it for flowering you know. you will have lots of problems if the darkness is disturbed. You need to seal that if you haven't. I'll give some suggestions if you like, just ask.

Other thing I noticed is that you said you put a fan and a filter on your intake? That isn't going to cut it either. No intake fan... won't work with your system you need a passive intake at the bottom of the cab and an exhaust fan drawing through the filter from the top.

Your heat problems are not a good thing and you need more intake and/or more fan. That is the only way! With your built in sound camo you are probably covered for a bit more fan so I would start there. You don't want temps in the 80's and you don't want the inlaws smelling the funk! And, if you are in the 80's now, then you may just have to unplug it when summer comes. that depends on your climate of course, but I know I would have to! you should be shooting for temps around 5 or 6 degrese over the ambient room temps. Worse case scenario you may have to take out a couple of those bulbs to you get it squared...

Let me know if I can help.

Jed

**edit** good job on the fresh circuit... that should do fine!

yeah there is zero light leaks, the second post was a run without exhaust hooked up. One of the intakes have to blocked beause of room so the intake fan is there to help keep up with the exhaust fan. The intake fan is the same CFM as the exhaust fan so it should be good to go. Today was the first day that it has been on all day and it held steady at 79.

stonesour said:

yeah there is zero light leaks, the second post was a run without exhaust hooked up. One of the intakes have to blocked beause of room so the intake fan is there to help keep up with the exhaust fan. The intake fan is the same CFM as the exhaust fan so it should be good to go. Today was the first day that it has been on all day and it held steady at 79.

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Keep a sharp nose out! that doesn't often work. If you are using a filter on your exhaust you can be sure the intake fan is overdriving the exhaust fan and the smelly air won't all go through your filter.

Good job on the light proofing. I thought you probably had that worked out by now but I wanted to make sure.

Jed

10jed said:

Keep a sharp nose out! that doesn't often work. If you are using a filter on your exhaust you can be sure the intake fan is overdriving the exhaust fan and the smelly air won't all go through your filter.

Good job on the light proofing. I thought you probably had that worked out by now but I wanted to make sure.

Jed

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Thanks, Yeah im a little sketchy on the intake fan but its the only way to keep temps down. I took it off and with the exhaust fan drawing naturally from the intake holes the temps rise to 84-85, i put my canfan back on the intake and temps drop to 78. Room temps stay around 72-74. So i dont konw.

stonesour said:

Thanks, Yeah im a little sketchy on the intake fan but its the only way to keep temps down. I took it off and with the exhaust fan drawing naturally from the intake holes the temps rise to 84-85, i put my canfan back on the intake and temps drop to 78. Room temps stay around 72-74. So i dont konw.

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Pull some bulbs dude... You don't need that much juice. sure more light is better, but first comes security and 2nd comes proper ventilation... more light only comes after all the other stuff is dialed with room to spare. I run 6 @ 42 w cfLs in my 20 x 14 x 30 inch cabinet and it is plenty. The buds I have pulled out of there have been nice solid, frosty buds. Sure more light would mean more weight but if temps are high your weight isn't going to be shit, and your cabinet will be smoking your weed instead of you!

You culd run a bigger fan... What are the type/brand/cfm rating of the 2 fans you are running now? ***edit** sorry I just reread that again! go for a 300cfm blower at the exhaust and I bet you will be OK.

You may also want to look at running those top lights vertical. It is my understanding that the bulk of the light comes off the sides so you would get better coverage, and more usable height that way.

just trying to help you out here friend... I'm not trying to bust your balls!

Jed

10jed said:

Pull some bulbs dude... You don't need that much juice. sure more light is better, but first comes security and 2nd comes proper ventilation... more light only comes after all the other stuff is dialed with room to spare. I run 6 @ 42 w cfLs in my 20 x 14 x 30 inch cabinet and it is plenty. The buds I have pulled out of there have been nice solid, frosty buds. Sure more light would mean more weight but if temps are high your weight isn't going to be shit, and your cabinet will be smoking your weed instead of you!

You culd run a bigger fan... What are the type/brand/cfm rating of the 2 fans you are running now? ***edit** sorry I just reread that again! go for a 300cfm blower at the exhaust and I bet you will be OK.

You may also want to look at running those top lights vertical. It is my understanding that the bulk of the light comes off the sides so you would get better coverage, and more usable height that way.

just trying to help you out here friend... I'm not trying to bust your balls!

Jed

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No I really appriciate your feedback, +rep to you man. Im glad someone is giving me advice instead of nobody. I did try the bulbs horizontally but it seemed dimmer and the top of the bulbs got really really hot. It said on the package these were meant to be placed in vertical lights like outdoor HPS and metal halide lights as a replacement. The exhaust fan pulls the exhaust from my hot water heater as well so im stuck with the fan i have on the exhaust, and to think about it there is a little CO2 leak back into the box when the hot water heater first starts so im thinking that is helping the plants more that anything. Hot water heaters are pretty clean burning, plus i have a carbon monoxide alarm in the room that never goes above 0 PPM but i can tell by the smell there is a little back feed from the hot water heater, which is good. I do have a couple of humidifers blocking the intake holes slightly so im thinking that is why it heats up so bad so the intake fan is overcoming that blockage and putting a postive pressure back in the box. I own a heating and cooling company so thats why i pulled out the HVAC lingo...LOL. just checked temps and looking solid. 77.8 in the box. I think im going to keep the intake fan there for a while and see how it works out. Plus if i never try this shit out than i wont know my capabilities when the plants start to flower. I know I dont need all those lights now but I might as well get the kinks worked out now while they are still young and see what this baby can do. right?

Look at the node spacing, i think the more CFLs the tighter it will be. Just my thoery on things. Also I have a very very sensitive smell and two of my three big plants smell the same and one of them smells different. Im going to call it out and say that i can tell by the smell the difference between male and female plants. I think i have two males and one female. Or it could be the other way around. The one plant smells very very skunky while the two smells mild and not as skunky. I dont know maybe im just crazy.