Stelthy's 600W Hps Project! (New-Cab)

stelthy

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I finally bought a UV-B light setup today... its a 24" tube and offers 33% UV-A and 10% UV-B and is 20w... I may take it back and exchange it for the 30" version.. the 30" version is only a few quid extra and is 25w.. I am unsure if I should stick with what I have or change it for the next size up ?!!

Either way.. I will be making a custom reflector for it... I will measure the available space nearer the top of my cab and make my decision accordingly, I am pleased to announce I will soon be a fully fledged member of the UV-B crew lol, :) and cant wait to boost my ladies THC count :) :) :)

If anyone has any extra info on the best height from the canopy to hang the UV-B lamp and the best recommended time to have it on for etc... I am all ear's & +REP! for the best replies.. many thanks - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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it shouldnt get to hot mate id hang it within about 10-12 inches from the plants and use a cheap dimple reflector
I am glad you mentioned reflectors...Do you know if 24" UV-B Reflectors are readily available? or do you think i'd be better off making a DIY Reflector ?? I am not to concerned about cost.. but I do want the reflector to be as slim-line as possible as I will need to move it around the main Sun-Systems Reflector, and there is only a couple of inches gap width ways... I've never looked into long Tube Reflectors before so this is a something new to get my teeth into :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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I just found an awesome page on line I'll add a LINK :) :-



http://www.uvguide.co.uk/fluorescenttubereflectortests.htm



I'll add the text and pics from the page.. looks well interesting and I am hoping I will make the right decision as far as reflectors and the ammount of tube I will need :)





Reflector Tests

The use of a reflector can produce a remarkable increase in UVB output at a basking spot. Even a piece of ordinary aluminium foil placed behind a fluorescent tube will significantly improve its performance, but if a reflector, such as the inexpensive clip-on type used for aquarium lighting, is fitted to a UVB tube it is possible to virtually double the output of the tube. The reflector effectively gathers a large percentage of the UV light from the sides and back of the tube, which would otherwise be absorbed by the walls of the vivarium, and redirects this forward into the enclosure.


We measured the output of a large number of tubes with and without a variety of reflectors including sheets of aluminium foil, home-made curved aluminium foil reflectors and commercially available reflectors such as the clip-on Arcadia Reflector (Fig. 2), which is available in a range of lengths to fit most tubes.

The results of tests carried out on fourteen different high-output tubes of various brands, lengths and ages, all fitted with reflectors, are shown in Graph 1 (Below)..





When a higher UVB output is desired from a fluorescent tube the benefits of fitting a reflector are undeniable.



As can be seen from Fig.3, the output of the tube is effectively doubled. One fairly new fluorescent tube fitted with a reflector may produce 30-40uW/cm2 at 12", ideal for rearing young lizards with high UVB requirements in small vivaria. And one fairly old fluorescent tube fitted with a reflector might be kept in use for slightly longer, when used for species with a lower UVB requirement. A 6-month-old tube emitting, for example, 14uW/cm2 at 12" with no reflector will produce a very satisfactory 24 or 25uW/cm2 at the same distance, if a reflector is fitted.



Spread Charts

Spread Chart 1 (below; described more fully in the main fluorescent test report) maps the output of one "typical" fluorescent tube, a new ExoTerra Repti Glo 8.0 tube, length 24", which had been in use for 12 hours. Spread Chart 2 (to the right) maps the output of the same tube fitted with an Arcadia Reflector. The way the beam is re-shaped and intensified in front of the lamp can be clearly seen.





If the spread chart is correctly scaled and superimposed upon a photograph of the tube in use in the vivarium, the way in which the UVB light is being distributed can be visualised. A comparison of Viv Chart 1 (featuring the tube in Spread Chart 1) and Viv Chart 2 (below) -in which a reflector has been fitted to the tube - shows the much-improved distribution of UVB within the vivarium; the whole body of the bearded dragon nearest to the lamp is now receiving moderate levels of UVB, not just his head.






Double Fixtures

Occasionally double fixtures - two fluorescent tubes mounted together - are used in larger vivaria. If all the necessary UVB is provided by one lamp, the other may be of a daylight type, emitting no UVB, but enhancing the colour balance and intensity of the visible light. Where higher levels of UVB are required, however, two UVB tubes may be fitted.

We have taken measurements from double fixtures both in the vivarium, and in a test situation, to measure their combined output, with and without reflectors. The results are very much what one would expect. Two tubes (with no reflectors) put out almost double the amount of UVB as a single tube. Two tubes, both fitted with reflectors, put out almost twice as much as one tube fitted with a reflector, and not quite four times as much as a single tube with no reflector.

We conducted two sets of experiments. In the first set, we used two new Zoo Med Reptisun 5.0 24" tubes controlled by a single electronic ballast, a Glomat 2 Double Fluorescent Lighting Control Unit from Rolf C. Hagen (UK) Ltd. The output of the tubes was measured when they were positioned separately and together, both with and without reflectors. (Figs. 4 - 7)









In the second set of experiments, we used two older Arcadia D3 Reptile 24" tubes controlled by two single magnetic ballasts, namely a pair of Arcadia Fluorescent Lighting Controllers.

The results for the first set of tests are shown in Graph 2 (below); the results for the second set were almost identical in terms of the effect of each combination upon output.



Care must be taken when using powerful combinations of tubes and reflectors. For example, whereas the single Zoo Med Reptisun 5.0 24" tube emitted 18uW/cm2 at 12", when two identical tubes were fitted with reflectors and placed side by side, the reading at 12" was 65uW/cm2.

This would provide a high level of UVB over a wide area, which might be suitable for some species, but too high for others. It would also produce a very large, very bright light source. For the comfort of the animals in the vivarium, this would almost certainly need to be directly above them, since if it were affixed to a side wall they would have no option but to look directly at its glare when facing that way. Certainly testing the double combination shown in Fig. 7 was quite unpleasant, owing to the glare, even though eye protection was worn.



** I am going to read through it all propperly 1st and make sure I understand it all, then I will find out if doubling up tubes is as good for plants as it is for Reptiles and then will make an educated decision on which type of Rfeflector to go for - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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I am finding it very difficult to track down a Dual 24" T8 reflector for the UV-B Tube/s... So...... I am going to make one myself, and am thinking maybe some-kind of drainpipe cut in half etc... I am going to pop out now and see what I can find :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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Ok so its been a long hot day... but also a semi-productive one.. I bought a length of drainpipe (already in half) :) and also a cheapy T8 24" fluorescent tube and fitting... I will see whats the best way to connect the 'drain-pipe' (soon to be reflector) with the UV-B Tube... I'am guessing the UV tube will work ok with the cheapy fitting ?? then I can return the propper Reptile adjustable ballast and get my money back :)

if not.... I'll use the Reptile Ballast and use the cheapy fitting somewhere about my house lol... either way I'll be making a custom reflector over the next couple of days! :)

I am going to do a bit more research now.. and then do what I do/enjoy most 'start modding' :)... Oh for the time being I am just going to use a single UV-B tube and then add a 2nd at a later date when I have more cash available.. I hope to add pics of the new Reflector soon....Wish me luck lol - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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It was tough cutting the pipe with my broken wrist lol...it took ages but needless to say it was worth it :)


I marked out where incisions needed to be made


and cut them out with a drill and hacksaw


I then slotted the tube holder into the slots I had made..


Like so..


and fitted the tube.. Great! it fitted just like I had imagined :)


I also drilled 2 holes at either end so I could/can attach the light fitting to the custom reflector with cable ties


Then I got busy with my 'oh so useful' silver duct-tape :) after about 10 mins or so I had my UV-B Reflector :)



All thats left to do is wire this badboy up and keep my fingers crossed it fires up the tube :) :( :) lol... I'll do that tommoz - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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that tape is sikk i have sum lol..and nice refector mate..
Yeah that tape is awesome, it comes in so useful...for many things and all things grow related :) I spent £6 on the drainpipe.. £10 on the cheapy fixture and £28 on the UV-B tube so a total of £43 which is a hell of a lot better than the £60 - £90 reflectors I could find for the T8 tubes on-line :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

BudBaby

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Excellent mate, i wish i was as handy as you at DIY, i rekon i could knock up what you have in those pics though if it saves money.
 

stelthy

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The Royal-Haze has reached 13" tall and is still filling out nicely.. I decided that since my other seeds didn't germinate as planned.. to take some clones from my RH plant and see if I can get them to root instead :)



Firstly I did my water change and snipped of a few crappy leaves.. then



I added 9ml of my grow-shops home made plant disinfectant.. to help the plant if it stresses whilst the clones are taken..



I cut off some small/med. clones with scissors and the cut the stem again but this time with a surgical scalpal and at an angle..



I then dipped each cutting in 'Clonex' root hormone, and pushed each clone into a Rockwool cube and soaked each cube in water and gave each cube a light squeeze, to drain off any excess water..



The clones were then placed in a dish and the dish was placed in my heated propagator.. along with 1.5cm of tap water..



I then set my timer to 18/6 and placed the Propagator under the small blue spec CFL..



I replaced the dome lid and made sure the vents were closed..



I havent yet gotten around to making a side door/cupboard for my cab yet so to keep things a little more low profile..



I used my small, full length Black-Out Blind to hide a majority of the CFL light.. This is a tempory solution until I get some MDF etc to make a propper stealth cupboard/enclosure..


I really hope the clones root ok, I'll make sure the Propagator stays nice and humid, and will keep a watchful eye on the water level.. More updates coming soon :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

lowryder666

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Looking great as usual Stelthy!!

A lot of people cut the leaves belonging to the clones in half. I think the idea behind this is to divert energy to the 'rooting' (nudge nudge wink wink) and/or to cut down on leaf transpiration (which is supposed to be a disadvantage for clones).

I've never cloned b4 so no time to experiment. Just something you might wanna investigate since you've just started 'rooting'
 

RawBudzski

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I normally cut 1/2 of the lower leaves off to promote rooting. If not they tend to wanna use the energy up in their leaves before attempting to root, they will stay green and 3 weeks later while their looking great you'll be like o_O No Roots.?!.
 

stelthy

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^ Cool cool cheers for the tip guy's, I'll go n trim the leaves in a sec.. and will also continue to work on my UV-B light installation, More pics coming soon - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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Ok I've trimmed the leaves and added half a cup of water into the bottom of the actual Propagator to help with adding more humidity.. Now I am going to crack on with my UV-B lamp and wire it up :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

stelthy

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Just a thought... But.. since cutting the clones leaves in half helps to promote root growth instead of more foliage up top... I wonder 'If' ... I trimmed most of the leaves on my actual girl, would this promote a larger root mass? and allow my plant to grow bigger and stronger more quickly etc ??? or would it just stress my plant out and fuck it up completely ???

As I say its just a thought and I am 99% sure I wont do it .........yet! :) but since a larger root mass would intake more air and more nuits etc to the plant, could this theory work?

Great replies = +REP! ... Cheers - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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