Stealth grow dresser, 12 23w CFLs, LST + scrog screen, white widdow + sour desiel
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BongHolyeo
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BongHolyeo
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Does anyone know why the White Widow would be growing so much slower than the Sour Diesel? could it be a nute deficiency? i have been giving them both the same everything and it is starting to concern me.
jdillinger
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Looks pretty good man, just came back from a long holiday, it could be from a number of things, might just be a bad seed, could be it was manhandled abit while it was still germinating. Personally I don't start giving nutrients in soil until at least I see the third node start to develop. If anything it would be a nutrient toxicity.
I suggest treating the roots with a stimulator, next time around. Also can I ask why did you put what I think is a nail down at day 10? I'm not sure what that is and I havn't seen it before could you let me know
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I can't tell yet, switch to 12/12 if you havn't yet you don't want those plants streching to far. If you know their females try and keep a mother plant, its better to wait it out abit and have weed forever then having to start from seed again everytime.
I suggest treating the roots with a stimulator, next time around. Also can I ask why did you put what I think is a nail down at day 10? I'm not sure what that is and I havn't seen it before could you let me know
.I can't tell yet, switch to 12/12 if you havn't yet you don't want those plants streching to far. If you know their females try and keep a mother plant, its better to wait it out abit and have weed forever then having to start from seed again everytime.
BongHolyeo
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Looks pretty good man, just came back from a long holiday, it could be from a number of things, might just be a bad seed, could be it was manhandled abit while it was still germinating. Personally I don't start giving nutrients in soil until at least I see the third node start to develop. If anything it would be a nutrient toxicity.
I suggest treating the roots with a stimulator, next time around. Also can I ask why did you put what I think is a nail down at day 10? I'm not sure what that is and I havn't seen it before could you let me know
I can't tell yet, switch to 12/12 if you havn't yet you don't want those plants streching to far. If you know their females try and keep a mother plant, its better to wait it out abit and have weed forever then having to start from seed again everytime.
I started the nutes yesterday because i looked up my problem and decided that the purplish color to the leaves and stunted growth was due to a phosphorous shortage, but hell if i really know because i am new to this. what is a root stimulator i have not heard of this but am now interested.
The nail down on day 10 was my dumb attempt to try and start LST but then did some more reading and decided it was way to early for this so i took them off before anything could happen.
As far as switching to 12/12 i was going to wait a little longer because i heard that the plants double in size when you put them in flowering but i am only on shelf level 1 of 4 so i have some more grow room and want to use the hooks and some tie downs to train them bushier first but again first timer so correct me if i am wrong.
the pics are so you can see what i mean by its on the highest of the 4 shelf settings at the moment
jdillinger
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Dude no need to apologise for mistakes or anything, I'm not the best at growing, as long as you make it to harvest your a successful grower in my book. So hopefully any advice I can give can help. The way I've read it is that the seed comes with maybe two weeks worth of germination nutrients, so I'd take it from the point the taproot comes out you have maybe 10-14 days of just water (since your planting in soil it might last longer), a sign of nitrogen toxicity is dark green leaves, don't get these confused with some strains where the cotyledons are normally dark green, wait until the second set of fan leaves if theyre dark green its nitro toxicity.
Edit: Also root stimulator is a useful plant food? (Not sure what you'd classify it as.. stimulizer?), basically does what it says and encourages on root growth. I'm not sure but while the chemical is there it focuses mainly on building and strengthening roots, Personally I use these products for my indoor grow http://www.pascoes.com.au/products.php?level=39. But I've heard really great things with http://www.rootbastic.com/index.php?topic=home
I forgot to post my cab design inspired by yours. Its basically the same concept I stole the shelf settings idea, I had a shitty lift system made with plywood and pvc pipes. Now replaced with an mdf shelf, the whole interior is layered with mylar and I use a single 200W CFL keeps it clean, and I plan on adding maybe another set of 48W cfls to the side in the future as it develops more. I'd post a pic but Its too dark for natural lighting or for my room light, The inside is way too bright with the light turned on for my camera just gives me a huge white rectangle. I'll give you a look tommorow. I'm actually also through my first indoor grow, grown outside for the past few years, just fertilizer, water and the glorious sun. https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/474721-sock-drawer-grow-big-bud.html
Edit: Also root stimulator is a useful plant food? (Not sure what you'd classify it as.. stimulizer?), basically does what it says and encourages on root growth. I'm not sure but while the chemical is there it focuses mainly on building and strengthening roots, Personally I use these products for my indoor grow http://www.pascoes.com.au/products.php?level=39. But I've heard really great things with http://www.rootbastic.com/index.php?topic=home
I forgot to post my cab design inspired by yours. Its basically the same concept I stole the shelf settings idea, I had a shitty lift system made with plywood and pvc pipes. Now replaced with an mdf shelf, the whole interior is layered with mylar and I use a single 200W CFL keeps it clean, and I plan on adding maybe another set of 48W cfls to the side in the future as it develops more. I'd post a pic but Its too dark for natural lighting or for my room light, The inside is way too bright with the light turned on for my camera just gives me a huge white rectangle. I'll give you a look tommorow. I'm actually also through my first indoor grow, grown outside for the past few years, just fertilizer, water and the glorious sun. https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/474721-sock-drawer-grow-big-bud.html
narkill01
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This looks fantastic! Whats your watering schedule? Too much can cause root rot and that'd be a shitty way to lose a white widow. Good rule of thumb, if the soils not crusty, don't water! You prolly know all this but I was just throwing it out there. Also is the glass really necessary? I just know that some glass absorbs certain light that the plants need... I think you would really be fine without it (just put up scrog screen when they get within inches of the lights..) and the ventilation would still be adequate enough to remove the heat from the lights.
BongHolyeo
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I ended up taking the glass out decided it was trapping too much heat where the lights are, but i still have that shelf in the closet in-case the plant grows out of control and touch the lights. As far as the water it is a 4.3 gallon bucket of soil and i put 1/4 gallon of water in every 2 days. That way the water is fully saturated during watering but dry for 1" down in the soil 2 days later for the next watering.
update the plants have grow quiet a bit and i will post some more pictures tonight
narkill01
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Sounds alright, just make sure they are getting enough gas exchange.. since you have fairly big buckets their roots have grown a lot, make them work a little for water by cutting back just a little (maybe like every 3 days), it will make the plant have a stronger and more efficient root system, therefor allowing your plants to grow bigger and healthier.
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BongHolyeo
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jdillinger
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Is it just me or does it look like your plants shrunk. Also how did you light seal your door? Like what material are those black bars.
BongHolyeo
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No the white widow has not shrunk it has been much smaller than the sour diesel from the start and it is and has been concerning me because this is my first grow. The black material is a weatherproofing I got from homedepot. It is a type of foam strip that comes with an adhesive already on one side so that you just peal and stick on. It works well and stops most of the light but it is not 100% lightproof but close... Maybe 98%?
albsure
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The plants look pretty good but I am concerned with the temps. and the humidity. I don't know if there is a way to get more aggressive with exhausting the hot air or not; you've done a really nice job with the cab so I don't know if it's possible. A couple of suggestions and you can take them any way you want. I'd try putting a container in the bottom section of the cab with some small towels that you've thoroughly wetted and wrung out to see if you can raise the humidity. I'd also try, for now, using two thirds or even half the lights for the veg. cycle. I don't think it would hurt the growth and may even help the little guy. Sometimes too much heat and not enough humidity can stunt growth. Good luck.
BongHolyeo
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So just before anyone says anything im not growing them on this level i just moved it down for a visual. My question is how would y'all recommend training the plants up to the screen? should i start now or wait? should i bent the main stem down below the others or should i top it? i am new so input would help
BongHolyeo
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i know i have been having humidity issues because i live in the desert but after trying wet towels and tubs of water i said fuck it and ordered a cool mist humidifier that i am going to put in the room the box is in. Now that it is getting cold at night the house heater isnt helping with the low humidity either hopefully the humidifier in the room helps! as for the temps i have been running between 82-84 F which i thought was ideal, what would you recommend? i only run my intake at 60% power and my exhaust at 80% power i could cool it off some more if i need to
kushnotbush
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Sorry I haven't been back sooner BH but your girls look pretty good. I think that maybe your WW girl is suffering slow growth because of the heat in your box, I think you might be better if you could keep the high for the day under 80 and for me 76 is the sweet spot. If I could keep it lower normally I would. Also the advice on nutes is spot on IMO if your soil has nutes in it already. To me it looks like the WW may be nute burned slightly but I am not sure because I couldn't really see all of the leaves. One of the biggest problems I have with growing 2 plants in the same container is that I can't add different amounts of nutes to each one or care for them individually if needed. Just something to consider for next grow.
Also for your screen IMO the best way is to keep the plants close to the light until you get them on the bottom shelf the whole while you should LST to have an even canopy. Once you hit the bottom let them start to grow into the screen, keep training them under the screen until it's about 70% full for your first time. Once you hit about 70% I would start trimming out the branches that aren't already to the screen or aren't likely to make it in 2 weeks growth. At 70% full you will want to flip to flower and continue training for the first week or so, after that let them go. Your only job then is to keep the canopy as even as possible (you can use string tied below the canopy to pull the branch down) with string or whatever is clever. You also want to make sure that you have air moving through the canopy because the cramped vegetation can start to mildew or rot. Let me know if you don't understand what I wrote because it seems like a lot to take in but really once you start you should get the hang of it pretty quick, good luck and happy growing.
KnB
Also for your screen IMO the best way is to keep the plants close to the light until you get them on the bottom shelf the whole while you should LST to have an even canopy. Once you hit the bottom let them start to grow into the screen, keep training them under the screen until it's about 70% full for your first time. Once you hit about 70% I would start trimming out the branches that aren't already to the screen or aren't likely to make it in 2 weeks growth. At 70% full you will want to flip to flower and continue training for the first week or so, after that let them go. Your only job then is to keep the canopy as even as possible (you can use string tied below the canopy to pull the branch down) with string or whatever is clever. You also want to make sure that you have air moving through the canopy because the cramped vegetation can start to mildew or rot. Let me know if you don't understand what I wrote because it seems like a lot to take in but really once you start you should get the hang of it pretty quick, good luck and happy growing.
KnB
kushnotbush
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Going back through the pics I looked at the WW again, to me it actually looks ok as far as nutes go and it may just be that this pheno would like it a little cooler. If you think it is a problem though I recommend showing it in the nursery because there are pro's over there that know more about identifying problems. Otherwise I would keep an eye on it and if the leafs begin to yellow out you may be deficient but if the tips of the leaves burn you may be too hot. This is just general insight and is not always the case. Again sorry for any confusion created on my part.
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BongHolyeo
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Thank you this was very helpful, so to keep a even canopy i just tie the top down below the rest of the plant correct? This is something i could start today?