curly604
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hahaha awesome man , well my only thing is that we were trying to compare led's to hps on an even playing field , so now i just need to talk to a scientist on how to get his going lol.
STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!
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collective gardener
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You're a shrewd man, Clonex. You got me good. I don't even want to ask what kind of compensation package it took to get your hands on talent like that. I have a feeling that hiring him probably means I'll be working for you in a year or so. With him as your Senior Growing Manager, worldwide marijuana production domination is yours. In fact, can I just come work for you right now?No chance , i Pm'd him this morning - i have his name on a contract - get your own scientist collective
collective gardener
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Talk to Clonex. His new Senior Growing Manager is second to none. He will know exactly what to do.
collective gardener
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Before the price can come down, alot more LED's will have to be produced. Before alot more are produced, alot more growers have to want to buy them. Before alot more growers want to buy them they have to be able to really compete with 1000 watt HPS's. I believe California Lightworks is on the right track. They aren't playing around with low wattage toys. That 800 watt Solar Storm looks like realistic competition for a 1000 HPS. Sure, it's only a 20% energy savings on direct lighting power. But the first thing that has to be made is an LED that actually kicks ass...THEN, they can start working on making it more efficient. Not the other way around, which is what LED makers tried with the UFO's and all the other Fisher Price units that claimed these massive energy savings. I'll be watching this company.
calibuzz
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I had 8 LED pannels in my 4 by 4 tent and they didnt do their job. Super slow growth. Switched to T5"s like 3 weeks ago and now my plants grow close to 3 inches a week vs the 1'' for the first 3 weeks!!! THEY are JUNK imho. Sorry my fellow LED growers, but this was in mt experiance
Light Emiting Diaodes ( LEDs) have come along way. LEDs are brighter now than ever before. In addition they are relitively cool, like florecents ( CFLs which use inert gas stimulation by electron gun field from cathode to anode - knocking electrons loose and thus producing photon emmision). However, they should be used as suppliments to other lighting. For instance, in a traditional 1000 watt incandesent system, if you can afford to do it, so set up 500 watts of that delivery system in LED lighting - to lower mean temps. They same may be said with florecents. One might note that color LEDs are not full spectrum light, and thus should be mixed with all colors including the white light - for full spectum emmision, required for heathy growth.
LEDS will improve, but yes... not enough visible light photons and the plants will not rocket off the growth pad.
Toolage 87
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Yea LEDs will start to be compared to HPS and MH over time but as for right now the cheap ones like the $20 that i have can only be compared to CFLs but most compare all LED lights to HPS and MH.
El Superbeasto
Active Member
That "800 watt" LED from California Light Works has 160- 5 watt LEDs, it's 650 actual watts. http://californialightworks.com/uploads/2/9/2/4/2924177/solarstormspecs.pdf
If it can truly replace a 1000 watt HPS, put me down for a couple. As much as I'm an LED advocate, I remain skeptical on anything new, especially with claims yet to be proven.
I'll keep my eye on those LEDs though.
If it can truly replace a 1000 watt HPS, put me down for a couple. As much as I'm an LED advocate, I remain skeptical on anything new, especially with claims yet to be proven.
I'll keep my eye on those LEDs though.
TedKorzenowskiJR
Member
Are you using 20,000 watts of leds? Man, you better get back to your commercial led grow....
anotherdaymusic
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LOL!!!! there are plenty of people flowering and vegging, or just one or the other, and the buds look great... plenty o folks...
virulient
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Aren't you a shop boy? Don't you have a register to attend to or something? Or a customer that needs assistance?
Illumination
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rotflmfao!!!
Illumination
New Member
Dude chill out...Collective gardener is one of the nicest most helpful people I have seen here in a long time...instead of engaging him in a mental battle for which you are so obnoxiously ill-equipped in comparison by a long shot, why don't you engage him with an inquisitive mine and get that real knowledge one can only get from actually running a 20000 watt grow? Doesn't that seem much more of a win to you than this useless challenge which you have a snowball's chance in hell of winning? Just saying....
Namaste'
collective gardener
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Currently 20k of HID. Actually, at the momment, 18k...a couple of veg lights are not being used. I'm hoping, some day, god willing, with luck, and some breakthroughs, to be replacing it all with LED's, induction, or some combination of the 2. My hopes would be to cutt the wattage to around 13-15k with the same production. The technology to do this is not here yet. I have no illusions that it is. But, with bigger and more powerful LED and induction lighting in developement, maybe we can get there in a few years.
With the current LED technology, it would be finacial suicide for me to transition now. But, to make the blanket statement, as you did, that LED's don't work, is kind of narrow minded. It's no different than the LED fanatics claiming that HID tech is outdated and LED is the only way to go. If you have any ambitions of being successful in this industry, you must keep an open mind. I tell this to myself as much as anybody. I'm pretty old school. I grow in rockwool, and top feed by hand drain to waste. My cuts are rooted in a $3.00 tray with a $5.00 clear dome. I see no reason to change anything on this front. But, HID's have some serious drawbacks. We're in the middle of a heatwave right now, and I spent my day hoping my A/C and exhaust systems would do their job...and they were all working quite hard today. The though of only needed a couple tons of A/C to keep my temps right gives me a hardon. We need new lighting in this industry, and it's looking like LED may be that lighting. I'd encourage you to open your eyes and your mind to what the future may have to offer. I'm not pushing LED's...there's not an LED on the market that can do what my 1000 watt HPS's do for me. But, that doesn't mean there won't be soon.
Clonex
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My Senior grow Manager that is - he never fails to amaze me - Always on top form - He don't say much , but when he does , you know it.
puffenuff
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Jumping back in here because I don't necessarily agree: based on my own led use I am confident that some available now can match 1,000w hps. Neither you nor anyone else here has tested every led unit on the market. Like I said before, just because you don't know about it doesnt mean it isnt out there. Feel free to make that blanket statement after you've tested most of the ~600~800 led lights.
Samwell Seed Well
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you know what he means overall quality and quantity
whats the best grams per a watt ratios LEDs can throw up, and amount of product isnt always the most important trait, but if its the one thing you require from a grow then its the only thing that you need to not buy a LED light fixture
as much as they claim efficiency (led's) 600watts is 600 watts better be able to get a gram a watt + or your just playin in the kiddie pool
whats the best grams per a watt ratios LEDs can throw up, and amount of product isnt always the most important trait, but if its the one thing you require from a grow then its the only thing that you need to not buy a LED light fixture
as much as they claim efficiency (led's) 600watts is 600 watts better be able to get a gram a watt + or your just playin in the kiddie pool
collective gardener
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I don't have to test them all. That's the LED maker's job. And, you can bet your ass that if there was an LED light that could IN ALL WAYS compete with an HPS, the maker of that light would have platered the test all over the web. When "The Light" is developed, we will all know it in no uncertain terms.
puffenuff
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You're not as open minded as you lead people to believe. Now I remember why I stopped participating in this conversation.
anotherdaymusic
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whoever posted this is a fucking dumb ass grower... you can grow anything with the right lighting. this is an isolated incident where you have no idea how to take care of a proper plant. There are PLENTY of people with dank dense nuggets with lower wattage leds.
Clonex
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How is he not open minded ? have you read any of his comments ?
He is a Hid user that would love to swap to led as am i ,? If you have knowledge of a product that can match a Hid 1000w - 600w , for penatration, coverage and consistant dense bud formations on say a 4ft - 5ft plant than lets hear it ? I have trialed so called decent Led units to a cost of 10.5 k and im talkings £'s not $ and i had all the above problems , i was not happy at running 1 unit so i replaced all my 600w hid units with them x 4 , the results were megre to say the least in comparison to what i was achieving , i also wasted alot of time and had to build back up , the return on selling this led units second hand was also pathetic , so , do you think i should try that again ? no , a better plan would be to seek honest led manufactuers and wait this time until i have the facts , keep and open mind or dive straight in as i did , anytime you have links or info on decent led products , give me a holar , i will be waiting...