billybob420
Well-Known Member
I'm not trying to stick up for the guy. I have never heard anyone call the SPLC a hate group before, so I investigated.
Was just reporting back my findings.
Was just reporting back my findings.
starbucks wont send our troops coffee????
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One more time, my point is, Chic-Fil-A does absolutely nothing different than Starbucks!
What part of this are you unclear on, my original claim was in the context that NEITHER Starbucks or Chic-Fil-A engages in any campaign that directly harms those they oppose.
Now, if you could please provide a post where you demonstrated the same passion defending Chic-Fil-A on the those very accusations, I won't label you a hypocrite!
And please, don't accuse me of saying things I have not said!
Nowhere did I claim Starbucks was funding anyone that was physically harming others.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The claim that induced me to respond was that Starbucks was anti-Christian. You are not backing that up. That is the extent of my interest: to either see you back it up, or to expose it as hyperbole. I'll ignore your moving the goalposts in mid-debate; no sale.
Chick-Fil-A via its captive WinShape foundation has been shown to actively support groups preaching violence unto the gays. That's much more than claiming they "support traditional marriage".
I want to know what Starbucks has done or been doing to actually assail Christians. Normal ones and not the dominionist fringe.
No; let's liberalize that If you can show that Starbucks has funded violence against the fundies and dominionists, I'll pay attention to that as well. cn
My claim that Starbucks has funded organizations that are pro gay rights the same way Chick-Fil-A funds organizations that a pro traditional family rights, stands.
There's been many posts from far left websites that make accusations, but so far no proof.
I can say the same, I want to know what Chic-Fil-A has done or been doing to actually assail Gays?
You seem unwilling to admit, what's good for the goose is good for the gander!
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
He wont back up nothing
And dont expect him to look at facts no matter where they come from
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But you've inverted the premise, moved the goalposts. Your stance that fished me in was "anti-Christian" as Chick-Fil-A is demonstrably anti-gay.
Now you've moderated it to "pro-this" vs. "pro-that". It's an undeclared retraction, but effectively a concession. I don't think you have anything in re Starbucks being anti-Christian. They're merely tolerant of gays. But Chick isn't merely tolerant of Christians ... they've sent real money to real groups that have a real agenda of real harm to real humans. Ironically, that ain't very Christian. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I think you need to post that list of five Chick-Fil-A harming gays instances. With source link, of course. cn
I've moved the goal posts! LOL
Your whole argument is built on conjecture, where are your facts that the Eagle Forum and Family Research Counsel have inflicted physical harm on any gay or lesbians, where is it?
Is it propaganda from far left organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center?
Total FAIL.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
All you've brought is propaganda from dominionist hatesites. At worst, mirror fail. But (points) YOU started it! ~giggle~ cn
That's my point, that list is full of left wing propaganda, where is the real proof?
Where is your proof canna, where is it????? LOL
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But is it incorrect left-wing propaganda? You haven't established that. After my experiences with dominionists, it's not just plausibly correct but likely. Jmo. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
desert dude
Well-Known Member
Put me down for officially calling them a "hate group".
The best thing any of us can do is to spend our money wherever the fuck we want. If chick filet offends you, then don't shop there. If you don't give a shit what a company's owner thinks and you like their product then buy it. Same with Starbucks, Walmart, RJ Reynolds, Paypal, etc.
Well isn't propaganda called propaganda because it's misleading information?
Wouldn't "correct propaganda" be considered an oxymoron? LOL
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I also think there is a "from the opponent's camp" component. Somehow I doubt you'd call that stuff from dominionist websites propaganda, while I would. It's a polar thing. cn
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
http://www.campuspride.org/chickfila.asp
The real issue at hand is not freedom of speech, but Chick-fil-As secretive funding of documented anti-gay hate groups. There is no justification for such a business operating on our nations campuses, said Shane Windmeyer, executive director of Campus Pride. While Chick-fil-As leadership has every right to its views, beliefs and voice, students and administrators alike need to know that revenues going to Chick-fil-A drive funding for groups that are almost certainly in conflict with campus non-discrimination policies, he said.
Campus Pride released the following 5 Simple Facts About Chick-fil-A for student leaders and campus newspapers to share:
1. Chick-fil-A profits fund documented hate groups that aggressively work against LGBT people, advocating for their criminalization, psychological abuse or death.
2. Chick-fil-A profits support the radical-right-wing group Eagle Forum, which supports LGBT people being considered criminals.
3. Chick-fil-A profits support Exodus International, which claims to cure homosexuality through psychological coercion of LGBT people. It says LGBT people are perverse.
4. Chick-fil-A profits support Focus on the Family (FOF) and its off-shoot group, Family Research Council (FRC), which has been designated as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center. FOF aggressively defames LGBT people as a threat to children and FRC spent $25,000 to stop the US Congress from condemning Ugandas Kill the Gays policy that would execute all gay people.
5. Chick-fil-A profits come from YOU. When you choose Chick-fil-A, you help fund hate groups.
The real issue at hand is not freedom of speech, but Chick-fil-As secretive funding of documented anti-gay hate groups. There is no justification for such a business operating on our nations campuses, said Shane Windmeyer, executive director of Campus Pride. While Chick-fil-As leadership has every right to its views, beliefs and voice, students and administrators alike need to know that revenues going to Chick-fil-A drive funding for groups that are almost certainly in conflict with campus non-discrimination policies, he said.
Campus Pride released the following 5 Simple Facts About Chick-fil-A for student leaders and campus newspapers to share:
1. Chick-fil-A profits fund documented hate groups that aggressively work against LGBT people, advocating for their criminalization, psychological abuse or death.
2. Chick-fil-A profits support the radical-right-wing group Eagle Forum, which supports LGBT people being considered criminals.
3. Chick-fil-A profits support Exodus International, which claims to cure homosexuality through psychological coercion of LGBT people. It says LGBT people are perverse.
4. Chick-fil-A profits support Focus on the Family (FOF) and its off-shoot group, Family Research Council (FRC), which has been designated as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center. FOF aggressively defames LGBT people as a threat to children and FRC spent $25,000 to stop the US Congress from condemning Ugandas Kill the Gays policy that would execute all gay people.
5. Chick-fil-A profits come from YOU. When you choose Chick-fil-A, you help fund hate groups.
And that is where you a wrong. I do consider it propaganda, on both sides.
Can you say the same?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
OK ... I'll try ...
"you are wrong".
Easy. cn
seriously, if you consider it to be propaganda (i.e. disinformation) on both sides, why present yours as truer?