Stalk-curing

BobCajun

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I was just searching about tobacco curing and found a reference to "stalk-curing". Apparently it produces a high quality cigar tobacco. I then searched about stalk-curing itself and found that it causes weight reduction of about 11-12% compared to cut leaf dried off the stalk. They found that what happens is that several nutrients, like nitrogen and phosphorus, get translocated from the leaves into the stem. Obviously those nutrients would be harsh to smoke so it's a perfect way to reduce harshness and also increase potency, since 11-12% of inert dry weight was removed, making it that much more potent.

This explains why my weed was harsh and not particularly potent, I was cutting the buds off and drying them separately. Good thing I found this information or my weed would have been inferior quality forever. There's actually a YouTube guy who always dries like that, hangs the whole plant up, said it takes about a week to dry. One of his strains tested at 30% THC so apparently it works well. I haven't tried it yet myself. The information is on page 30 of the book; Bulletin of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Issues 76-100.
Can't link it, probably too long a URL or something, you know how long Google Books URLs are.

Whether hanging up cut branches would be as good as the entire plant, I don't know, maybe somewhere in between. Obviously cleaning it down to individual buds right after harvest, like I was doing, is the worst choice, just my luck.
 
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LinguaPeel

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You indeed have to let the plant finish. And it needs stalk to finish. Root would be even better but logistics don't always allow. Leave everything as intact as possible, I can't understand why novice growers are in a rush to take pictures of their buds, that they mutilate and ruin them before they finish.

I have rooted plants with pure highlighter neon yellow buds sitting in the dark as we speak. Been days, weeks, don't even keep track. I haven't seen anyone else grow the neon in years. And with one undisclosed little trick they will be twice as stinky as any bud at any cup anyone's ever attended in Cannabis history. (But can't give everything away, nothings free in this world!)

The way most people harvest their bud, Id hate to see them on a racetrack. Cut across the infield on lap 1, head for the pits and call themselves a winner with fingers in their ears. Maybe their boyfriend will buy them a plastic trophy.

Growforum culture doesn't understand any ancient Cannabis harvesting practices. Because nutes have weight and dark green unfinished nutey bud sells, so who cares about firing up the ol' noggin or getting a grasp on quality. Remember all these internet growers are expert smollier level cannoisseurs with highly evolved pallettes and can definitely tell 2 buds apart in a showdown, every single one of them!
 

Herb & Suds

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I was just searching about tobacco curing and found a reference to "stalk-curing". Apparently it produces a high quality cigar tobacco. I then searched about stalk-curing itself and found that it causes weight reduction of about 11-12% compared to cut leaf dried off the stalk. They found that what happens is that several nutrients, like nitrogen and phosphorus, get translocated from the leaves into the stem. Obviously those nutrients would be harsh to smoke so it's a perfect way to reduce harshness and also increase potency, since 11-12% of inert dry weight was removed, making it that much more potent.

This explains why my weed was harsh and not particularly potent, I was cutting the buds off and drying them separately. Good thing I found this information or my weed would have been inferior quality forever. There's actually a YouTube guy who always dries like that, hangs the whole plant up, said it takes about a week to dry. One of his strains tested at 30% THC so apparently it works well. I haven't tried it yet myself. The information is on page 30 of the book; Bulletin of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Issues 76-100.
Can't link it, probably too long a URL or something, you know how long Google Books URLs are.

Whether hanging up cut branches would be as good as the entire plant, I don't know, maybe somewhere in between. Obviously cleaning it down to individual buds right after harvest, like I was doing, is the worst choice, just my luck.
The way you did it causes the buds to dry to fast
The key to a smooth and delicious bud is slow drying ...hands down
If you dry a bud in under a week it is too fast
Using a paper bag can help slow down the process but I prefer to dry whole plants slowly before trimming
 

BobCajun

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I definitely flowered long enough, 15 weeks, it had to be the harvesting/curing method. It came out harsh, and now it's obvious why, all the crud was locked in there. The stalk-curing would definitely increase quality, considering it removes 10-15% of the weight in useless and harsh crud, how could it not improve it? The science is clear, stalk-curing sucks the crap out of buds and disposes it in the stem where it can simply be thrown away, or composted, it would be rich in nutrients.
 

rob333

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I was just searching about tobacco curing and found a reference to "stalk-curing". Apparently it produces a high quality cigar tobacco. I then searched about stalk-curing itself and found that it causes weight reduction of about 11-12% compared to cut leaf dried off the stalk. They found that what happens is that several nutrients, like nitrogen and phosphorus, get translocated from the leaves into the stem. Obviously those nutrients would be harsh to smoke so it's a perfect way to reduce harshness and also increase potency, since 11-12% of inert dry weight was removed, making it that much more potent.

This explains why my weed was harsh and not particularly potent, I was cutting the buds off and drying them separately. Good thing I found this information or my weed would have been inferior quality forever. There's actually a YouTube guy who always dries like that, hangs the whole plant up, said it takes about a week to dry. One of his strains tested at 30% THC so apparently it works well. I haven't tried it yet myself. The information is on page 30 of the book; Bulletin of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Issues 76-100.
Can't link it, probably too long a URL or something, you know how long Google Books URLs are.

Whether hanging up cut branches would be as good as the entire plant, I don't know, maybe somewhere in between. Obviously cleaning it down to individual buds right after harvest, like I was doing, is the worst choice, just my luck.
i just cut trim and leave most branches dry the whole lot together in a well vented dark dark place epic buds each time
 

BobCajun

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Actually last time I did something close to stalk curing, before I even read about it, just a weird coincidence. I cut all the stems as close to the base as possible while still being thin enough to cut through with clippers. The actual stem base was too thick. So I did that while the plants were still in the chamber and the branches were still tied up for support. I thought it might make more resin if I cut the stems and left the lights on for a few hours, I gave it 3. Then I left the lights off for about 24 hours after that.

I noticed that it did turn out better than the previous batches where I didn't do that. So even just 24 hours like that seemed to help, more potent and less harsh. Next time I'll leave them for 48 hours. Doubt it would be worth leaving the buds on there for a whole week to dry so I'll take them off after 48 hours of dark and see how that works out.
 

Tangerine_

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You indeed have to let the plant finish. And it needs stalk to finish. Root would be even better but logistics don't always allow. Leave everything as intact as possible, I can't understand why novice growers are in a rush to take pictures of their buds, that they mutilate and ruin them before they finish.

I have rooted plants with pure highlighter neon yellow buds sitting in the dark as we speak. Been days, weeks, don't even keep track. I haven't seen anyone else grow the neon in years. And with one undisclosed little trick they will be twice as stinky as any bud at any cup anyone's ever attended in Cannabis history. (But can't give everything away, nothings free in this world!)

The way most people harvest their bud, Id hate to see them on a racetrack. Cut across the infield on lap 1, head for the pits and call themselves a winner with fingers in their ears. Maybe their boyfriend will buy them a plastic trophy.

Growforum culture doesn't understand any ancient Cannabis harvesting practices. Because nutes have weight and dark green unfinished nutey bud sells, so who cares about firing up the ol' noggin or getting a grasp on quality. Remember all these internet growers are expert smollier level cannoisseurs with highly evolved pallettes and can definitely tell 2 buds apart in a showdown, every single one of them!
Care to share some pics of these "pure highlighter neon yellow buds"?
 

Tangerine_

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I was just searching about tobacco curing and found a reference to "stalk-curing". Apparently it produces a high quality cigar tobacco. I then searched about stalk-curing itself and found that it causes weight reduction of about 11-12% compared to cut leaf dried off the stalk. They found that what happens is that several nutrients, like nitrogen and phosphorus, get translocated from the leaves into the stem. Obviously those nutrients would be harsh to smoke so it's a perfect way to reduce harshness and also increase potency, since 11-12% of inert dry weight was removed, making it that much more potent.

This explains why my weed was harsh and not particularly potent, I was cutting the buds off and drying them separately. Good thing I found this information or my weed would have been inferior quality forever. There's actually a YouTube guy who always dries like that, hangs the whole plant up, said it takes about a week to dry. One of his strains tested at 30% THC so apparently it works well. I haven't tried it yet myself. The information is on page 30 of the book; Bulletin of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Issues 76-100.
Can't link it, probably too long a URL or something, you know how long Google Books URLs are.

Whether hanging up cut branches would be as good as the entire plant, I don't know, maybe somewhere in between. Obviously cleaning it down to individual buds right after harvest, like I was doing, is the worst choice, just my luck.
I've always hung the whole plant. It just gives a much slower even dry down. In the summer months I'll break the plant down into branches, but again, its just to keep the dry nice and even for a couple wks.
You'll have to experiment a little with your environment. Try the whole plant. See how it goes.
 

T macc

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Right.

Hanging the whole plant means a slower dry. Which is what you want

Leaving the leaves on will also slow the dry. Much better terps
 

Xs121

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Interesting.

My current method is, by the time I'm within the harvest window, I stressed the hell out of my plants by not feeding and let it wilt in the pot. lol

Solved two process at once.
1. Increase trichome production
2. Plant only need a day or 2 hanging to dry after chopping then ready to jar

The whole stress/starving/drying process takes 10-14 days from last feeding

Pic on your left is 8 weeks and within the harvest window
Pic on your right is before the chop after the stress/starving/drying process

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Here's another one

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T macc

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Interesting.

My current method is, by the time I'm within the harvest window, I stressed the hell out of my plants by not feeding and let it wilt in the pot. lol

Solved two process at once.
1. Increase trichome production
2. Plant only need a day or 2 hanging to dry after chopping then ready to jar

The whole stress/starving/drying process takes 10-14 days from last feeding

Pic on your left is 8 weeks and within the harvest window
Pic on your right is before the chop after the stress/starving/drying process

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Here's another one

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How fast do the trichomes change?
 

Xs121

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How fast do the trichomes change?
Gradually probably. I dont take a closer look at it on a daily basis.

All I know is that there are plenty of studies out there that shows plant increase their secondary metabolite production when stressed (specially drought). So I figured, I cant stress them early in the flowering stage, might as well do it before I chop them. Basically, slow drying them in the pot.

The other benefit I notice is that buds continue to swell and mature.
One more, lol...no hay smell, no cholorphyll
 

BobCajun

Well-Known Member
Interesting.

My current method is, by the time I'm within the harvest window, I stressed the hell out of my plants by not feeding and let it wilt in the pot. lol

Solved two process at once.
1. Increase trichome production
2. Plant only need a day or 2 hanging to dry after chopping then ready to jar

The whole stress/starving/drying process takes 10-14 days from last feeding

Pic on your left is 8 weeks and within the harvest window
Pic on your right is before the chop after the stress/starving/drying process.
I usually let them get pretty dry in the pots too. You need to rinse out most of the salts though, if it's not organic, because the drier it gets the more concentrated the salts get and that could make it pretty harsh.
 

BobCajun

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You indeed have to let the plant finish. And it needs stalk to finish. Root would be even better but logistics don't always allow. Leave everything as intact as possible, I can't understand why novice growers are in a rush to take pictures of their buds, that they mutilate and ruin them before they finish.

I have rooted plants with pure highlighter neon yellow buds sitting in the dark as we speak. Been days, weeks, don't even keep track. I haven't seen anyone else grow the neon in years. And with one undisclosed little trick they will be twice as stinky as any bud at any cup anyone's ever attended in Cannabis history. (But can't give everything away, nothings free in this world!)

The way most people harvest their bud, Id hate to see them on a racetrack. Cut across the infield on lap 1, head for the pits and call themselves a winner with fingers in their ears. Maybe their boyfriend will buy them a plastic trophy.

Growforum culture doesn't understand any ancient Cannabis harvesting practices. Because nutes have weight and dark green unfinished nutey bud sells, so who cares about firing up the ol' noggin or getting a grasp on quality. Remember all these internet growers are expert smollier level cannoisseurs with highly evolved pallettes and can definitely tell 2 buds apart in a showdown, every single one of them!
To make gold weed what you do is after cutting you keep them in a humid space, like about 80-90% RH, and increase temperature to about 105 F. The curing processes double in rate when temperature is raised by 10 degrees, but after a certain point it kills the enzymes so you don't go above 100-110 F, unless you want to stop the curing and "set" the color at that point. In tobacco curing this part of the curing process is called "coloring". Just doing a quick search I found a patent that describes a supposedly improved procedure, the advantage appearing to be speed, because at normal pressure it takes about 48 hours. It probably wouldn't be difficult to find something that could take 2-5 atmospheres of pressure. I would buy something made for it though, not try to cobble something together that might blow the hell up. It would certainly be convenient to cure your weed in 40 minutes, then all you need to do is dry it down to 57-58% rh and it's done.

Obviously, what most growers do is not actually curing, it's just slow drying. If it was cured it wouldn't be green. If chlorophyll was desirable to smoke then there would be nothing but green cigars. It does also remove the fresh smell though, but who the hell cares. Which is better, smelling like primo Colombian or reeking like a skunk and stinking your home up for hours after smoking it? Those terps, which make uncured weed reek, are not actually good to smoke. They may have health benefits when eaten, but pretty sure not by smoking. Try smoking some turpentine sometime, the organic stuff from pine trees. I doubt you'll find it rewarding. Well it's pure pinene, the major terp in most weed strains, can buy a quart for like $10, it's really not that precious, just people who can't cure weed will tell you the stench is a good thing, and you'll probably buy it if you're an American.

People have been trained by dispensaries to think uncured weed is good and cured weed is bad, the complete opposite of reality. When you REALLY cure weed, it has a light sweet smell, not a goddamn reek that everyone can smell from 100 yards when you're carrying it. Nobody in Colombia would smoke American weed. Why the hell would they when they can get actual cured weed? If green weed was a good thing, they would just hang it up to dry like common American newbs. So now you know why your weed is green, even after you supposedly cured it, it's because you didn't, you just dried it. You set the coloring to green because you let it dry out too fast. At room temperature it takes at least 2 weeks of elevated humidity, at least 75%, to remove the green.

You know the pinned articles on here? Well if they produce green weed they're not curing at all. The "burping" thing does nothing but slowly dry it, same as if you stuck a Boveda pack in there and didn't bother with the burping crap. None of it is curing, because it was dried to fast lower than 75% rh, "setting" the color forevermore to exactly what it was when it got that dry. US and European growers know literally nothing about curing, sure are good at setting weed to green color though and keeping it stinky, very helpful to law enforcement. They also think quality weed can be grown with 8-10 weeks of flowering, which is clearly a joke to any real grower. If quality weed could be grown in that short a time then Yugoslavia would be a major weed producing nation. It takes a good month longer than that, which is why all outdoor US and European weed sucks. Indoor growers in those places are actually so dumb that they purposely CHOOSE to replicate the growing season of Yugoslavia. What's the point of that? Might as well have just grown it outdoors, either way it would be similarly crappy. Let me see, should I use the growing season of Panama or Yugoslavia? Tough call, huh?

1. THE PROCESS OF CURING TOBACCO, WHICH COMPRISES COLORING THE TOBACCO BY EXPOSURE TO A GAS ESSENTIALLY CONSISTING OF OVER 50 PERCENT BY VOLUME OF OXYGEN, THE BALANCE HARMLESS IMPURITY, AT A RELATIVE HUMIDITY OF BETWEEN 85 AND 98 PERCENT, AT A TEMPERATURE BETWEEN 85* AND 100* F., UNDER A PRESSURE OF FROM 2 TO 5 ATMOSPHERES ABSOLUTE FOR A TIME OF 2 TO 40 MINUTES, SETTING THE COLOR BY TREATMENT IN AIR FOR FROM 5 TO 15 MINUTES AT A RELATIVE HUMIDITY BELOW 30 PERCENT AND A TEMPERATURE OF 170* TO 210* F. WHILE CIRCULATING THE AIR, AND KILLING OUT THE TOBACCO BY INCREASING THE TEMPERATURE AT LEAST 10* F. ABOVE THE TEMPERATURE OF SETTING TO A TEMPERATURE NOT IN EXCESS OF 220* F. AND CONTINUING THE TREATMENT WITH THE DRY AIR FOR A TIME OF IN EXCESS OF 5 MINUTES. https://patents.google.com/patent/US2708441
 
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