Spot of leaf in hydro system

I'm new to growing and set up a DWT hydro system. I'm about 3 weeks into veg and my plant looks pretty healthy expect for these spots on a couple of leaves. It's about 2/3rds from the bottom of the plant. The bottom of the plant I am showing signs of leaves wilting and a couple dried up and fell off. I did initially have too many chemicals and did dilute with additional water a week or so ago. I will probably flush the whole system but these spots don't really look like a chemical burn or lack of chemicals. Thoughts?

*I've read different symptoms, seen lots of pictures but its hard to narrow it down!*
 

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dtl420

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I love DG. Check your pH? Probably too acidic. Looks like it could be Ca or P, both are pretty well locked out below 5ish.

What kind of water are you using?

And Dina-gro has everything you really need. I've heard of people using it from seed to harvest. I personally like to switch to their bloom product.
 
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dtl420

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For sure a Cal Deficiency. Get you some cal mag and itll fix it right up!
They shouldn't need cal mag with DG products. That's why DG doesn't have a cal mag product, just Mag-pro (which I've never seen a need for).

If you're not checking the pH, I guarantee you that's the issue. DG also make a silicon supplement called protekt, which is a strong alkaline. If you're using r/o water then you either need pH up or any silicon supplement.
 

Nafydad420

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They shouldn't need cal mag with DG products. That's why DG doesn't have a cal mag product, just Mag-pro (which I've never seen a need for).

If you're not checking the pH, I guarantee you that's the issue. DG also make a silicon supplement called protekt, which is a strong alkaline. If you're using r/o water then you either need pH up or any silicon supplement.
wasnt even thinking about ph balance... i figured that was just habitual for everyone lol...
 

dtl420

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wasnt even thinking about ph balance... i figured that was just habitual for everyone lol...
Happened to me too when I first open the thread. Didn't even open the picture and saw the Ca spots in the thumbnail, but I'm a long time user of DG products and saw they were using it.
 
I love DG. Check your pH? Probably too acidic. Looks like it could be Ca or P, both are pretty well locked out below 5ish.

What kind of water are you using?

And Dina-gro has everything you really need. I've heard of people using it from seed to harvest. I personally like to switch to their bloom product.
Using purified water, about 4 gallons with 30PPM so about as fresh as you can get. I have had to adjust PH a couple of times, I check it about every 4-5 days. Maybe should check more regularly.
 

dtl420

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Using purified water, about 4 gallons with 30PPM so about as fresh as you can get. I have had to adjust PH a couple of times, I check it about every 4-5 days. Maybe should check more regularly.
What are you setting the pH to? and what method are you using to check it?

I love those digital pH meters when they're freshly calibrated. But one evening I was checking my water and I dropped the meter on the floor and it fell WAY out of calibration. I don't know if I just had a defective meter or if they are really that sensitive, but I lost faith in them that day. Now I just use the drops, they never need calibration. I recycled a small clear gelato container and I scoop some water in it and squirt several drops of the test indicator in it. When I adjust the pH I just aim to have the drops turn the solution a dehydrated piss yellowish orange. Some day I will have the money to buy a pH meter that I trust.

I had this issue a lot in the past. I kept thinking it was leaf septoria, a type of leaf fungus, but I'm pretty sure I was just setting the pH of my water too low all along.
 

OldMedUser

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Gotta agree with the Ca diagnosis but not because you need to add more but because your pH is likely off.

Cannot agree with @dtl420 about pH drops tho. A properly cared for pH pen is way more accurate than any colour reading method. Any turbidity or bad lighting can have you seeing off by 0.5 or more with drops where a freshly calibrated pH pen should be accurate to +/- 0.2 or better.

Most people don't bother learning how to use or care for one properly and they can be way out fresh out of the box if the start-up procedure isn't followed properly. Tons of info at the company's website or all over the web as they all need the same basic things.

PPM pens are a lot easier.

:peace:
 

dtl420

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Gotta agree with the Ca diagnosis but not because you need to add more but because your pH is likely off.

Cannot agree with @dtl420 about pH drops tho. A properly cared for pH pen is way more accurate than any colour reading method. Any turbidity or bad lighting can have you seeing off by 0.5 or more with drops where a freshly calibrated pH pen should be accurate to +/- 0.2 or better.

Most people don't bother learning how to use or care for one properly and they can be way out fresh out of the box if the start-up procedure isn't followed properly. Tons of info at the company's website or all over the web as they all need the same basic things.

PPM pens are a lot easier.

:peace:
Lol I'm definitely not saying it's accurate. I just don't trust my old pen, been dropped too many times. I'd just buy another one or more calibration solution, but I pour concrete for a living, and this cold weather here in the Midwest has had me out of work since before Christmas. I hold the clear container against my white computer screen and it shows the color well. While I'm not sure how accurate it is, I make it the same color every time, and my dwc white rhino is definitely content with it. I'm in veg and every few days I have to add more water and nutrients, I was worried I had that much evaporating from the bucket but I did a tds test earlier and it read 25ppm and there was only about 2 inches of water in the bottom of the bucket (I had solution set around 500ppm when I last changed the nutrients).

I'm not trying to tell anyone to use the drops over a trustworthy pen, just saying, like you said, that without proper care those pens will lead you astray. But believe me, I look forward to getting a decent one and taking damn good care of it. There is no way to test the pH of compost tea with the drops...
 

OldMedUser

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Lol I'm definitely not saying it's accurate. I just don't trust my old pen, been dropped too many times. I'd just buy another one or more calibration solution, but I pour concrete for a living, and this cold weather here in the Midwest has had me out of work since before Christmas. I hold the clear container against my white computer screen and it shows the color well. While I'm not sure how accurate it is, I make it the same color every time, and my dwc white rhino is definitely content with it. I'm in veg and every few days I have to add more water and nutrients, I was worried I had that much evaporating from the bucket but I did a tds test earlier and it read 25ppm and there was only about 2 inches of water in the bottom of the bucket (I had solution set around 500ppm when I last changed the nutrients).

I'm not trying to tell anyone to use the drops over a trustworthy pen, just saying, like you said, that without proper care those pens will lead you astray. But believe me, I look forward to getting a decent one and taking damn good care of it. There is no way to test the pH of compost tea with the drops...
For sure the drops can work OK. Even easier are good 4-colour test strips but they are still only good for 0.5 accuracy which is good enough unless you are 0.5 too high or too low.

If you're growing organically and have your soil built with the proper things and know the water quality you really shouldn't even have to worry about pH. With a healthy micro-herd and the right goodies in the soil the pH is moderated by the plant. The roots excrete chemicals to change the pH in the area around it to best get the elements it needs to stay healthy. Also to feed sugars to the wee beasties that are busy turning organic matter into the salts that your plants actually eat. Like when your wife is pregnant and craves cookie dough ice cream with a half pound of real bacon bits stirred in. There's a real reason for things like that believe it or not. :)

pH pens are delicate scientific instruments and don't take kindly to physical abuse like dropping. With my arthritis I'm prone to dropping things like my camera when angling for a good bud shot while holding a branch out of the way so wrap that wrist strap on any time I'm shooting one handed. Only a $100, 20.1mp digi cam but takes great shots and has manual white balance so I can take shots under any light and the colours are true. The Nikon CoolPix L32. The last of it's kind and the only one that still took AA batteries. My older 10mp L20 had an LCD malfunction from being dropped so much. :) Once into a tub of hydro nutes tho still worked for at least two years after that mishap and I did have the damn wrist strap on tho was so close to the surface of the nutes is went full in with the lens extended. I even opened up the back of the camera after and flushed it out with RO water to remove all the salts. That one cost over $400 when I bought it but it worked for 7 years or so.

:peace:
 

dtl420

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For sure the drops can work OK. Even easier are good 4-colour test strips but they are still only good for 0.5 accuracy which is good enough unless you are 0.5 too high or too low.

If you're growing organically and have your soil built with the proper things and know the water quality you really shouldn't even have to worry about pH. With a healthy micro-herd and the right goodies in the soil the pH is moderated by the plant. The roots excrete chemicals to change the pH in the area around it to best get the elements it needs to stay healthy. Also to feed sugars to the wee beasties that are busy turning organic matter into the salts that your plants actually eat. Like when your wife is pregnant and craves cookie dough ice cream with a half pound of real bacon bits stirred in. There's a real reason for things like that believe it or not. :)

pH pens are delicate scientific instruments and don't take kindly to physical abuse like dropping. With my arthritis I'm prone to dropping things like my camera when angling for a good bud shot while holding a branch out of the way so wrap that wrist strap on any time I'm shooting one handed. Only a $100, 20.1mp digi cam but takes great shots and has manual white balance so I can take shots under any light and the colours are true. The Nikon CoolPix L32. The last of it's kind and the only one that still took AA batteries. My older 10mp L20 had an LCD malfunction from being dropped so much. :) Once into a tub of hydro nutes tho still worked for at least two years after that mishap and I did have the damn wrist strap on tho was so close to the surface of the nutes is went full in with the lens extended. I even opened up the back of the camera after and flushed it out with RO water to remove all the salts. That one cost over $400 when I bought it but it worked for 7 years or so.

:peace:
I love my sony a23 dslr. It takes decent macro shots that I can zoom in on and check the trichs with. I'd like to get a nice pen though. Do you have a link to the one you've got?

And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the organics as well. I currently have one white rhino dwc, 1 white rhino organic, and 1 white lavender in coco. I did a lot of research over the years to learn organics. This is my first attempt since my previous lesser attempts. I started growing coco for a long time, but I'm bored and don't care about the rhinos as much as the lavender. So I put the lavender in something I know and put the rhinos in something I can have some fun with. I must say they all look great, except the dwc has some leafs left damaged from an early onset of root rot. She has come out of it nicely. My organic lady is massive, I'm worried that she won't fit in this 2x4 tent that I'm anxiously waiting for.
 

OldMedUser

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I love my sony a23 dslr. It takes decent macro shots that I can zoom in on and check the trichs with. I'd like to get a nice pen though. Do you have a link to the one you've got?

And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the organics as well. I currently have one white rhino dwc, 1 white rhino organic, and 1 white lavender in coco. I did a lot of research over the years to learn organics. This is my first attempt since my previous lesser attempts. I started growing coco for a long time, but I'm bored and don't care about the rhinos as much as the lavender. So I put the lavender in something I know and put the rhinos in something I can have some fun with. I must say they all look great, except the dwc has some leafs left damaged from an early onset of root rot. She has come out of it nicely. My organic lady is massive, I'm worried that she won't fit in this 2x4 tent that I'm anxiously waiting for.
I have the eco TestR pH1 pen from Eutech/Oakton but it's been sitting in storage sol'n for at least a year as I don't bother checking pH in soilless or DWC using pH Perfect nutes. Good tester and cost me $69 about 5 years ago. Just check ppm now in DWC and adjust that as needed.

Have you got some clones off the Lavender? Don't want to lose a good mom if you don't have to. I've lost plenty over the last few decades.

eutechinst.com or 4oakton.com tho they may not sell my model anymore.

Any decent pen will do but stay away from those combo pH/ppm ones. Even the good Hannas start flaking out before long. PPM pens are dirt cheap.

If you have deep pockets then BlueLab is solid brand.

:peace:
 

dtl420

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I have the eco TestR pH1 pen from Eutech/Oakton but it's been sitting in storage sol'n for at least a year as I don't bother checking pH in soilless or DWC using pH Perfect nutes. Good tester and cost me $69 about 5 years ago. Just check ppm now in DWC and adjust that as needed.

Have you got some clones off the Lavender? Don't want to lose a good mom if you don't have to. I've lost plenty over the last few decades.

eutechinst.com or 4oakton.com tho they may not sell my model anymore.

Any decent pen will do but stay away from those combo pH/ppm ones. Even the good Hannas start flaking out before long. PPM pens are dirt cheap.

If you have deep pockets then BlueLab is solid brand.

:peace:
I'm happy with my tds meter, it was cheap as hell on ebay. It's the one that comes with the pH meter as well.

I've got a few off of the white rhinos for some buddies, and I may keep one incase I like the way it flowers. The lavender is taking forever. Growing really short and bushy. I don't clone much. I inherited a decent seed collection from my mentor when he moved and had to quit growing for a while. I like going from strain to strain, I get bored to easily for growing the same strain more than twice. One day, when I have more space and a better setup, I may designate an area for mothers. But for now I'm just going to float from strain to strain to find my favorites (which so far are cherry pie and sour d).
 

OldMedUser

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I'm happy with my tds meter, it was cheap as hell on ebay. It's the one that comes with the pH meter as well.

I've got a few off of the white rhinos for some buddies, and I may keep one incase I like the way it flowers. The lavender is taking forever. Growing really short and bushy. I don't clone much. I inherited a decent seed collection from my mentor when he moved and had to quit growing for a while. I like going from strain to strain, I get bored to easily for growing the same strain more than twice. One day, when I have more space and a better setup, I may designate an area for mothers. But for now I'm just going to float from strain to strain to find my favorites (which so far are cherry pie and sour d).
Nothing wrong with that. I'm getting into CBD strains mostly using DWC. I'm into itmore for the medicinal value than any other reasons. Growing a few stoner strains for buddies but getting to know more people looking for good meds that don't mess them up but heal them. The kind of people that want me to cook their stuff up in coconut oil so they can eat it. Old farts like me that have blown their lungs out toking for 50 years. :D

Still smoking and toking tho after all this time. It may be the death of me but with any luck it will be quick. ;)

:peace:
 

dtl420

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Nothing wrong with that. I'm getting into CBD strains mostly using DWC. I'm into itmore for the medicinal value than any other reasons. Growing a few stoner strains for buddies but getting to know more people looking for good meds that don't mess them up but heal them. The kind of people that want me to cook their stuff up in coconut oil so they can eat it. Old farts like me that have blown their lungs out toking for 50 years. :D

Still smoking and toking tho after all this time. It may be the death of me but with any luck it will be quick. ;)

:peace:
I smoke purely for recreation. It kinda makes my anxiety worse after excessive and prolonged periods of smoking. I started growing, partly for person, but mostly for my grandpa who had cancer. He had to quit drinking and always talked about how he would smoke a lot when he was younger, said they would sprinkle PCP in their joints. He had the original Thai sticks back in the day too, I'd never heard of it till he asked me if it was still around.. lol. I started bringing him my crop to keep him off the bottle, but I never could get him to try my edibles, he didn't like the idea of eating weed. Unfortunately he's gone though. I really feel sorry for every person that didn't get a chance to know that man.

Sorry for blowing up your thread @janedoeseeds. I hope the situation in your grow room has been resolved. You won't see the damaged leafs heal, but take note (or pics) of how it looks currently and keep an eye on it over the next week or so, if you bring your pH up a bit the problem shouldn't persist.
 
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What are you setting the pH to? and what method are you using to check it?

I love those digital pH meters when they're freshly calibrated. But one evening I was checking my water and I dropped the meter on the floor and it fell WAY out of calibration. I don't know if I just had a defective meter or if they are really that sensitive, but I lost faith in them that day. Now I just use the drops, they never need calibration. I recycled a small clear gelato container and I scoop some water in it and squirt several drops of the test indicator in it. When I adjust the pH I just aim to have the drops turn the solution a dehydrated piss yellowish orange. Some day I will have the money to buy a pH meter that I trust.

I had this issue a lot in the past. I kept thinking it was leaf septoria, a type of leaf fungus, but I'm pretty sure I was just setting the pH of my water too low all along.
I was using the drops, just got a PH pen the other day because they seemed easier than constantly testing water. Was a little confused on if I needed to calibrate it though, directions didn't say if it was needed, so now I'm not sure if I'm even using that right hahaha.
 

dtl420

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I was using the drops, just got a PH pen the other day because they seemed easier than constantly testing water. Was a little confused on if I needed to calibrate it though, directions didn't say if it was needed, so now I'm not sure if I'm even using that right hahaha.
All the ones I've used come pre calibrated. Just treat it like it's an egg, and follow the directions. Like @OldMedUser said, they are very sensitive scientific instruments. If it takes a hard fall on the concrete floor it will probably need recalibrated. If it came with calibration solution, keep track of it. Even if you keep it clean and don't drop it I'd check the calibration every month or 2 to be safe.
 
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