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Discussion in 'Politics' started by ColoradoHighGrower, Jan 30, 2018.

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    see4

    see4 Well-Known Member

    You've got this odd passive-aggressive manic thing going on.

    I'm guessing you smoke to help with bipolar.
     
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    see4

    see4 Well-Known Member

    You are not a bright person. And you clearly are not able to think for yourself. Nor do I think you care.

    The tax plan has not taken effect. Literally ALL the companies that have come out saying they are paying bonuses and higher wages because of the tax cut are making a political stunt. Many of them planned well before a tax plan was even conceived that they would raise wages, namely because the economy has been doing so well. You can thank the last president and his administrations policies for that one.

    And so far, the ONLY policy that has had any effect on corporate American during this presidency is this tax cut. Which, as stated, hasn't taken effect. The implications of which will not be reflected until much later this year and carrying forward.
     
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    see4

    see4 Well-Known Member

    lol. So your counter argument to facts are to point out that most people are being conned by the bullshit spread by Fox News?

    Is that honestly what you're basing your premise on?

    You're not even smarter than a 5th grader. Foxworthy would be disappointed.
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    'i'll sign anything' still gives wood..i noticed trey gowdy will be leaving..he's still a young WASP-y man..do you think he knows something? rhetorical
     
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    Terps

    Terps Well-Known Member

    Supreme retirement incoming?
     
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    DG1959

    DG1959 Well-Known Member

    see4, my mom said never argue with a fool because he will beat you with experience, well played sir, well played.
    Trump is far better than what we could of had.... are you all worried that gov. hand outs will soon be gone?
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    *could have

    government handouts go to red states, they take more than they give. they are supported by productive blue states who give more than they take.

    foolish racist.
     
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    Terps

    Terps Well-Known Member

    The GOP is no better...... They just actually have someone in office that can drive the media narrative.
     
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    ColoradoHighGrower

    ColoradoHighGrower Well-Known Member

    Ummmm..... This is a teachable moment: Screenshot_20180201-090310.png
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    food stamps account for a miniscule amount of the federal budget. i'd say nice try, but it wasn't. it was a poor attempt.


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    ColoradoHighGrower

    ColoradoHighGrower Well-Known Member

    Why? Because i think it's moronic to say that 320 million people are dumb, simply because our president sucks? Was that even passive, or do i need to capitalize all the letters next time? You do realize how the election process works, right, mr @see4?
     
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    ColoradoHighGrower

    ColoradoHighGrower Well-Known Member

    Let me try again... Screenshot_20180201-093711.png
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    now do the other 98% of the budget

    Screenshot 2018-02-01 at 9.49.15 AM.png
     
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    ColoradoHighGrower

    ColoradoHighGrower Well-Known Member

    @UncleBuck sure, foodstamps are a drop in the bucket of all fed spending, but so is all of social welfare and entitlements spending in the grand scheme. What's your point?

    Your data is 13 years old, not that a whole lot has changed during that time.... here's a good article that demonstrates why these stats are easily manipulated to a given argument's advantage:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/california-today-federal-taxes.html

    And here's ones that discusses the bipartisanship of entitlement recipients:
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/12/18/a-bipartisan-nation-of-beneficiaries/

    Also, I'd believe the Pew Trust's stat analysis and sources more than CNN and some guy named jesse erlbaum... this figure proves erlbaum is full of it overall, cherry-picking to bend the numbers... there are cointless ways to normalize, omit and include as seen fit by the argument being posed:

    Screenshot_20180201-094357.png


    And:
    FedAidtoStates_hi-res.png



    Regardless, I'd say my correlation of dems versus foodstamps is a pretty telling comparison, especially since my post is broken down by county, and not lumping entire states together.... So yeah, nice try? Keep it up SoCal! How's it going Massachusetts? Miami? Chicago? Detroit? Seattle!? Portlandia? NYC?? San Francisco!!?? Gasp!
     
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    ColoradoHighGrower

    ColoradoHighGrower Well-Known Member

    I'm playing devil's advocate here btw. Obviously not every person that recieves aid, even food stams, is a useless pos. There are underlying societal issues that have created the divide, and we can ALL (dems, indies, reps alike) thank the uppermost ~0.1% and our beautiful clean corporations and career puppet politicians [on both sides of that fucking aisle] for the current state of the unium....
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    your graph shows red states rely the most on federal aid provided by blue states. not sure if you realized that.
     
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    SneekyNinja

    SneekyNinja Well-Known Member

    All I needed to hear was "beautful, clean coal".
     
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    b4ds33d

    b4ds33d Well-Known Member

    More scientific proof than global warming, but it's easier for those low on the science totem pole to believe fairy tales so I can see why you're drawn to it.
     
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    captainmorgan

    captainmorgan Well-Known Member

    Another bad day for the DOW and on a strange note it's down 666 points, tRUmps favorite number.
     
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    captainmorgan

    captainmorgan Well-Known Member

    The GOP loves tRUmp lol.

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