What made you choose the eb stone over the monrovia? BESIDES the price?
Soil Mix advice needed.
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wyteboi
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i didnt see anyone say that on here ? everything has a "too much" to it.
an how on earth does the % have anything to do with whether its aerobic or anaerobic ? i dont care if you have 100% organic matter in your hole , thats not gonna make it go anaerobic , in fact it would be even more aerobic. the main prob with too much organic matter is that it can turn your pot/hole into a compost bin an heat up too much for the roots to live in.
depends on the organic matter in question. bone and egg shells take forever to break down , guanos break down very fast , compost an castings is mostly broke down to begin with. feather meal is fast , kelp meal is fast. you have to have an understanding of what your putting in to know what your gonna get.
he is on the right track.
soil
mugan
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sorry couldn't help you there , i make my own
Organic soil conditioner ingredients are the same as the planting mix(for shrubs,trees,and plants), except for the pine bark. And it's only 3.99 1.5 cft. The planting mix is 7.99. Can I mix in the conditioner instead, since the eb stone potting soil already has pine bark in it? I also saw some epsoma soil perfector for 13.99. Didnt see any high phos guano. Only high nitrogen. Did see eb stone bone meal though.E.B. Stone organic potting soil
E.B Stone organic planting mix
E.B. Stone earthworm castings -x2
Perlite
1/2 cu. ft. of your existing soil
this is real basic. take the 3 cu ft of mix an put both bags of castings in there and at least a cu. ft of perlite. thats your mix. now take about 1/3 of the mix away because thats going in the bottom of the hole. take that 1/3 and add 1 cup of high N guano an 1 cup of high P guano and 2 cups of kelp meal if they have it. mix it real good an put that in the hole then top it off with the other 2/3 of your mix. ...... let sit for at least two weeks, then put your girl in there , trying not to disturb the hole too much. (because critters are curious)
it would be real good if you could go back an top dress after about 2 months. and it would be great if you could get some of the "living compost" in the monrovia blend. my guess is that the living compost is made right there at the store ? all compost an castings are alive but for them to label it like that , it makes me think its very fresh compost vs compost thats been sitting for a while. there is a big difference , just like worm castings that have been sitting.
either way you would wanna top dress with a very hot mix like strait compost or castings with a few tablespoons of whatever food it may want at the time. (an just a lil bit of mix or perlite so its not so compact.)
E.B Stone organic soil conditioner <--- whats in this? this is probably a great top dressing.
it will also help if you give the dirt some carbs in the beginning and towards the end of the cycle. molasses is best but any sugar will work. (about a tsp per gallon) if you want to get technical then cardboard is a good source of carbs , but it needs a lot more composting before feeding to the dirt. that will get the biology of your mix rollin right away. then let mother nature an microbes take over from there.
soil/wyteboi
wyteboi
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E.B Stone organic planting mix- Pine bark, mushroom compost, forest products, chicken manure. Also contains mycorrhizae(ideal for all outdoor gardening) $7.99 1.5 cft.
so this mix minus the bark ? that would mean even more food an less base. that is fine to mix in instead , but doing that will make the mix pretty hot , so you wont need much extra food to begin with. are you gonna be able to go see them a few times during the season ? that will have a lot to do with how much you need to put in the hole.
soil
so this mix minus the bark ? that would mean even more food an less base. that is fine to mix in instead , but doing that will make the mix pretty hot , so you wont need much extra food to begin with. are you gonna be able to go see them a few times during the season ? that will have a lot to do with how much you need to put in the hole.
soil
Soil conditioner is forest prod compost and chicken manure. No mycorrhizal, mushroom compost, or pine bark. But the eb stone potting soil has the mushroom compost, pinebark, and the mycorrhizal, so I figured I'd go with the cheaper soil conditioner. Whatcha think? And what do you think about adding the eb stone all purpose fert 5-5-5, as opposed to just bone meal, and blood meal. Its made from blood meal, feather meal, bone meal, dried chicken manure, bat guano,alfa alfa meal, kelp meal, potasium sulfate, humic acids, and soil microbes including mycorrhizal. Saw that today. Figurd it had more goodies in it. And remember, I'm starting out in 1 gallons, going to 3 or 4 gallons, and then to the hole mix. So hopefully I want have to add anything at all.
FreakyFarmer
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Go with the soil mix with the Myco's & mushroom compost, your plants will thrive and love it!!!
I can see them once or twice a week. More if needed. Oh yeah, I also saw some pro moss bales. Ever heard of it.
wyteboi
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that 5-5-5 is very good shit and its well balanced. yes go ahead an get the conditioner , and make sure you add all your food in the bottom 1/3 of the hole.
dont forget the perlite.
soil
wyteboi
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no you dont want the promix bales , unless you cant afford the better mix.
take about a 1/2 cup to a cup of that 5-5-5 an mix it in the bottom 1/3 ..... then if you see any defs later on then you can top dress with more food an compost/castings. you will have an amazing crop!
soil
Going to grab a big bag of Hoffman perlite today. $24.99 at the nursery.
Thanks a lot. I hope your right about the crop. Went ahead and dug 1 more hole. That makes 5. Hopefully I'll pull a pound to last me till next year. lol. Last year, I only did one, with miracle gro potting mix and some topsoil. Got 12 oz dried off of it in the same location. It was some fire shit too. Just tired of reading about organic weed, having never tried it myself.(I dont think). Hopefully the taste will blow me away. Thanks again.
wyteboi
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well if youve already had a real good outdoor crop then i dont think the organics will "blow you away"
usually the only time your blowed away by taste is when you are used to nothing but hydro, then get a real good dirt bag. (an that only applies when you know water guys an hydro guys an they are both at the top of their game)
then there is always gonna be that random species grown by that one guy , that will blow you away everytime he comes around.
what will blow you away is the difference in the preparation of the holes, the medium and the way the plant responds to it all. i get a wood thinkin about it .....sorry.
so you just used topsoil an MG mix an got 12 off one. thats great!
how big was your hole ?
did you feed them additional food ?
did you add perlite ?
an just for your own knowledge base , did you pull it out or cut it at harvest ? i just wonder if the whole "pot" come out of the ground with it or if your roots actually made it into your existing soil ? that lets you know a couple different things that are helpful in future grows.
1. if the roots stayed in the "pot" (hole) then that means you had plenty of food in that whole.
2. if the roots stayed in the pot , then its possible your ground dirt is horrible for mj.
3. if it rooted well into the ground dirt then its possible your ground dirt is the SHIT.
there is so much to learn out there if you just pay close attention.
my guess is that since you are using a far superior medium (not that MG is bad) with a LOT more aeration and far more organic matter/food, then you should yield well above the lb your lookin for if your using the same species. if not using the same genetics then you will still get a half lb per plant , no prob. (if the environment is "normal")
those are big holes your talkin about , so that gives the roots that much more aeration an availble food. you might even want to tie them over like a vine to create more tops an less height. with good water , and a lil maintenance i would not be surprised at all to see a couple lbs per plant. dont EXPECT that at all , but it would not surprise me at all.
if you got the same genetics , things are lookin very good
keep us posted ..... an let us know if you need help with the babies.
soil
Yeah, I had fed them some mgro bloom booster mid flowering. Thats about it. No added perlite or anything. And I'm using that same hole this year. lol. And I took it out of a 5 gallon bucket, and put it str8 in the hole. I didnt pull the plant out whole when I harvested. I harvested a limb at a time. Thing had 6 main colas. I love to fimm. haha. I waited until it was bare , then i pulled the stalk out of the ground. It was a bitch pulling it out too. This will be my 6th or 7th grow overall(the 1st 5 were a disaster. Basically planted in some cheap ass soil and left em alone.) Bad location too. Not that much sun. best plant had an ounce or two. Thats why I was so amazed with the 12 oz one. All day sun in that spot. Got 5 holes. 4 will be the mix you provided me with, and a miracle gro one in the middle. No way I dont try me another miracle gro plant. I dont care what they say about it. lol. Btw I went to the nursery today(again), and saw this.well if youve already had a real good outdoor crop then i dont think the organics will "blow you away"
usually the only time your blowed away by taste is when you are used to nothing but hydro, then get a real good dirt bag. (an that only applies when you know water guys an hydro guys an they are both at the top of their game)
then there is always gonna be that random species grown by that one guy , that will blow you away everytime he comes around.
what will blow you away is the difference in the preparation of the holes, the medium and the way the plant responds to it all. i get a wood thinkin about it .....sorry.
so you just used topsoil an MG mix an got 12 off one. thats great!
how big was your hole ?
did you feed them additional food ?
did you add perlite ?
an just for your own knowledge base , did you pull it out or cut it at harvest ? i just wonder if the whole "pot" come out of the ground with it or if your roots actually made it into your existing soil ? that lets you know a couple different things that are helpful in future grows.
1. if the roots stayed in the "pot" (hole) then that means you had plenty of food in that whole.
2. if the roots stayed in the pot , then its possible your ground dirt is horrible for mj.
3. if it rooted well into the ground dirt then its possible your ground dirt is the SHIT.
there is so much to learn out there if you just pay close attention.
my guess is that since you are using a far superior medium (not that MG is bad) with a LOT more aeration and far more organic matter/food, then you should yield well above the lb your lookin for if your using the same species. if not using the same genetics then you will still get a half lb per plant , no prob. (if the environment is "normal")
those are big holes your talkin about , so that gives the roots that much more aeration an availble food. you might even want to tie them over like a vine to create more tops an less height. with good water , and a lil maintenance i would not be surprised at all to see a couple lbs per plant. dont EXPECT that at all , but it would not surprise me at all.
if you got the same genetics , things are lookin very good
keep us posted ..... an let us know if you need help with the babies.
soil
http://www.foothillscompost.com/where-to-buy.html
Thoughts? Another hole perhaps? lol
Worked fine for me. lol. Thanks a ton. Cant wait to get started.
Got em going in the 1 gallons right now. Will go in the holes when sexed. Btw, im gonna go with espoma plant tone 5-3-3 mixed in the bottom 1/3 of hole, and then top dressing with tomato tone 3-4-6. How does that sound? Anyone ever used those two in combination? Or by themselves for that matter?
wyteboi
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like i have always said , food is food. that sounds like a very good deal to me. let her veg out real good with the 5-3-3 and then top dress with a good amount of 3-4-6 an some compost/castings if possible. then put the mulch back on top and you really cant go wrong.
you got me excited! i hope you are still around when harvest comes, i cant wait to see.
soil
you got me excited! i hope you are still around when harvest comes, i cant wait to see.
soil