So who here is growing in true organic living soil?

greenghost420

greenghost420

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the great white i have has no vitamins, just fungi and bacteria. i loaded up on it and wiped out a serious infestation of gnat
 
HGK420

HGK420

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smell it.. theirs b vitamins in that jar.... if theres not il be surprised... maybe its something for the microbes?
 
buckaroo bonzai

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CWinAZ said:
Looking for a specific process for getting N inoculated into bio char. Step by step, amounts, times, etc...anyone have this? You can assume that I have alfalfa meal, store-bought worm castings, urine and non-kingsford charcoal handy.

THANKS TO ALL HERE FOR THE FREE EDUCATION!!! VERY GOOD STUFF IN THIS THREAD!!!

I am/will be a ROLS convert, coming over from years of Supersoil. Can't wait to start a worm bin, bokashi bucket, etc.

Gratefully,

CW
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Make a 'tea bag'....
-very good that you realize the bio char needs to be inoculated or 'charged'....you can piss on it too-

--use a simple 'burlap' sack they use for feed and such and take whatever N load ur looking to charge it with
...I.e.-high N --->chicken poop cow poop....bat....bird.....use multiple mixes

(For smaller applications use a nylon or pantyhose)

-fill trash can with bio and add water to cover with enough room to 'soak' the tea bag in.....

-let 'steep' for desired length of time and drain and dry bio char.....


ive seen many pharmers use 'tea' bags as a "dunk" in their reservoir and for bio-

i like ocean products.....fish....kelp....seaweed...etc



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Read this too and google other articles-


http://www.bartletttree.co.uk/resources/Delving-Into-Biochar.pdf

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2429/

http://vermontbiochar.com/biochar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=55

http://www.howtogardenadvice.com/soil_prep/make_biochar.html


Manure / Urine Soak This is exactly what it sounds like. If you happen to have a bunch of any manure, simply add your biochar to it and let it sit. If the manure is dry (cow pattys) they I would encourage you to wet’r down to ge the nutrients mobile and let them saturate the char for a day or two. Much longer than that and you will be making methane– and that is cool, but if your not catching it for fuel use, you are making Al Gore cry. The Urine Soak is super efficient, and since urine is pretty sterile, you don’t have to worry about methane production. A 5 gallon bucket full of biochar behind the machine shed to be used as a urinal (put a toilet seat on it for the ladies) is a very simple way to charge your bio-char with nitrogen and phosphorous. Its not for everyone, but it works wicked well. Humanure of course works too, but you will want to sterlize any feces laden char or use it on non-food crops. Either way you do it, manure/urine soaks are super easy, and super cheap.

http://onestrawrob.com/?p=2393


good luck! --hope that helps....:eyesmoke:

(Add mosquito dunks too for the thurengenis(?)
 
HGK420

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greenghost420 said:
what smell am i looking for?
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smells like B vitamins lol idk. get a bottle of super thrive. or B vitamin energy shot. not 5 hour energy, too many flavors in tho. B vitamin is very recognizable.

And maybe it was uncle ben or one of his anti fertilizer army that was talking about it. i went on a wild google ride one day down the "B vitamin and plant relationship" road and found out some interesting things.

http://www.almadenvalleynursery.com/site/breaking-the-vitamin-b-1myth-articles.php
Breaking the Vitamin B-1 Myth
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Does Vitamin B-1, used and touted by customers and retailers for over 50 years as an aid to help plants overcome transplant shock, really work? Or are its "results" a myth? Research performed in recent years by U.C. Davis, Sunset Magazine and others, reveals that Vitamin B-1's restorative powers have indeed been exaggerated.
Sunset's study, published in their magazine, tested the truth of B-1's claim to aid root regeneration and to bring better top growth. Using fast-growing annual marigolds, the magazine tried six different treatments. Four had vitamin B-1 in them. One had Vitamin B-1 alone, one had B-1 with phosphorous, and the other two had B-1 with 3-10-3 and 10-10-15 fertilizer respectively. The fifth treatment was simply a 10-10-15 fertilizer and the sixth was plain water.
After two weeks, new leaves and growth had occurred in all marigolds except for those given Vitamin B-1 alone; they had no growth. The marigolds that were given fertilizer alone were flowering after four weeks. The others took two more weeks to bloom. After six weeks, those same fertilized plants were bushier, greener and had more flowers. The real clincher was that the plants that were given pure water did better than those given B-1treatments! Sunset's obvious conclusion was that Vitamin B-1 appears less effective than plain water in regenerating a plant's root system after transplanting.
Almaden Valley Nursery takes pride in the fact that our own in-house tests revealed the same results two years prior to Sunset's tests, and we discontinued selling Vitamin B-1 more than eight years ago. What the study means for you is that fertilizers alone can make a big difference in getting a plant established. And we all want to do our best to start our "babies" off right!
Recognizing this, we recommend two outstanding fertilizers; Green Light Liquid Root Stimulator with a genuine IBA (Indole-3 butyric acid) rooting hormone with a starter fertilizer solution, and Dr. Earth Organic #2 Starter Fertilizer with beneficial microbes. Each of these products is formulated exclusively for transplants. Both are effective used at the time of planting, and both will produce stronger, more profusely flowering plants.
Now that the Vitamin B-1 myth has been exposed, you can confidently start your plants off right, with the help of Root Stimulator, Dr. Earth and the garden experts at Almaden Valley Nursery.



heres a good one from Colorado state

http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/4DMG/Garden/beware.htm

By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.
For some other garden products, however, no such testing is required before sale to the public.
A good example is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.
The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.
Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.
Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.
The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect.

 
HGK420

HGK420

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I've mostly used technafloras organic B vitamin but this last bottle is almost full and has been for months.... I've gotten some of my best results as of late.
 
fattiemcnuggins

fattiemcnuggins

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Fungus gnats are no match for my centipedes. If you didn't mix some dirt from outside into your soil before you "cooked" it give it a try.
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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lol dude fuck centipedes! u see the one from the amazon i think, shit has hooks that it uses to rip prey apart. fascinating!
 
fattiemcnuggins

fattiemcnuggins

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Haha I just don't tell the ms about my secret army. They are pretty neat little critters and you can see their activity aerates the soil as well. I keep a few ladybugs around too
 
Someacdude

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Omg we have mites so bad, ive hit them with a pyrethrum bomb twice and they keep coming back.
I have some habanero juice i just dont know the strength.

Whats the cheapest easiest way to get rid of them, also my room stays muggy, what should my rh be?
 
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