So Many Problems....Help Plz

ok so just about every plant i have has some type of problem n im just lookin for a little assistance in identifying the cause. the bushy plant in the folgers pot is in what i believe to be a miracle grow soil. havent fed in a while cuz i have a habit of burning plants in soil.... gave like a half tsp of floramicro the other day tho. the seedling arent a problem i was jus wondering when i can put into dwc or if i could go from rockwool to hb? the plant in the ground is actually doing really good but the bottom leaves r like a rusty brown color.

the dwc plant is what im most worried about. it was originally in soil and had big fat crinkly leaves that i thought was from the ph being off. doesnt have any branching either. i put it in the bucket about a week ago n it started looking better but about last night the leaves started curling.i thought maybe cuz it had been a week since i changed the res but i was waiting for the roots to start growing down into the water. see when i transplanted the roots were bound up so i jus kinda put them in the bottom of the basket without pullin them through. using flora series lucas formula. under 250w hps

btw i do google n search symptoms all the time but honestly the shit i have never matches the stuff i find online except for maybe N def n underwatering lol.

Looks like yellowing leaves and purple stems is nitro def (I think) and rust spots i believe is iron def. But dont hold me to any of that im a n00b.

Can you get a few pics with the HPS off? It throws the color.. What strength Lucas formula are you running? How many ml per gal of micro/bloom? How old are they?

I can't believe your plants have survived in miracle grow thus far, whoa. Most people say that stuff is called miracle gro because its a miracle that anything grows in it.
I would ditch the miracle gro and get some sunshine mix #4, or do a hempy bucket in a 5 gal. (vermiculite and perlite soil-less mix). It is impossible to over-water your plants, well suited to the outdoor grower, allows for huge root development, will most certainly keep bugs and diseases out better than putting them in the ground. It will also easier for you to transplant in the future, or you could Double Pot, (cut the bottom out of the hempy bucket, and put it on top of another 5 gal bucket, allowing for even bigger roots) if you want GIANT TREES!

I would bet the source of your issues lies somewhere within the miracle gro aspect, but is ALSO probably a phosphorous deficiency.

actually my friend that i got the soil from has had pretty good success with it. leaves are nice green except for ones that were yellowing before transplant. im usin 1 tsp/gal micro n 2 tsp/gal bloom, have no way to measure metric atm. i never thought of an outdoor hempy bucket... they would be HUGE by the end of my growing season but its too hot here. been over 100 last few days.

also not sure about the ages. started in soil a while back it had ph problems pretty much the whole time.

any ides on the curling leaves in the dwc?

The pics you got posted under the hps looks like heat stress. Whats your ventilation and temps like?

The other plants looks like you got a nitrogen deficiency. The one in the ground looks pretty healthy and it might help to give it a bit of Cal/Mag.

My two cents anyway.

i would agree wit heat stress cuz temps have been in the mid 100's last couple days n all ventilation i have is the ac blowin in there when the doors open lol. but the only thin is like on side of the leaf is curling up n the other side is curling down. if its heat stress theres not much i can do but if its fixable i wanna try. n as fot the N def thats what i thought it was but there not just yellowing theyre dying. and if u look at the branch in one of the pix the new growth looks retarded.

To be honest, growing in temps in the mid 100's is really not worth it. Plants don't function well under those temps and you're going to run into to many problems and the yield is going to be poor. You have to do something to get the hot air out.

For your other plants, don't you think that they just generally need nutes as you haven't really been feeding them? If you are scared of burning them, start at 1/4 strenght of the recommended dosage on the nutes. Feed every second watering and gradually increase the nutrient strength, do it slowly unless your plants demand otherwise.

well thats what the temps have been outside n i dont have much for ac. im just waiting for cooler temps to come along.

ya i did start by giving the one in the folgesr can a 1/2 tsp of some micro the other day. n today i upped it to a full tsp since i figured its an okay sized plant. u hit it right on the money tho. ive burned sooo many plants trying to get a good harvest that i am a lil scared

Gottha! I've also been struggling a bit with temps myself cause its been quite hot in the UK lately but luckily its cooling down now! Strange phenomenon - hot in the UK....

Patients is the key, rather give your plant what it needs by what it looks like, than trying to make it hurry up by adding loads of nutes.

Good luck on your grows, hope they taste swwweeeeett!

temm me about it. its been above 105 here a few times the past 2 weeks. the heat is ridiculous. but trust me thats no phenomenon.

ya... what i really need to start doin is controlled experiments were i let them get deficient so i can more easily identify them. cuz at this point most defs still look the same to me.

Once again...................................patience.........it comes with time mate. Experiments are much easier to do in hydro, than in soil cause you can control what you give them. Good luck!

hubba said:

ok so just about every plant i have has some type of problem n im just lookin for a little assistance in identifying the cause. the bushy plant in the folgers pot is in what i believe to be a miracle grow soil. havent fed in a while cuz i have a habit of burning plants in soil.... gave like a half tsp of floramicro the other day tho. the seedling arent a problem i was jus wondering when i can put into dwc or if i could go from rockwool to hb? the plant in the ground is actually doing really good but the bottom leaves r like a rusty brown color.

the dwc plant is what im most worried about. it was originally in soil and had big fat crinkly leaves that i thought was from the ph being off. doesnt have any branching either. i put it in the bucket about a week ago n it started looking better but about last night the leaves started curling.i thought maybe cuz it had been a week since i changed the res but i was waiting for the roots to start growing down into the water. see when i transplanted the roots were bound up so i jus kinda put them in the bottom of the basket without pullin them through.

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Hello.. The same thing happened to one of my plants I transplanted into ebb and flow system... The roots were too big to evenly sit in the net pot with the proper amount of oxygen hitting the roots as they should when drying out, therefore over watering the plant.. I did notice the roots very slowly trying to make their way through, but when I saw how fast the other plants were going I just pulled it and put into dirt.. Good luck.

yea, your plants are pretty big dude, 1ml micro, and 2ml bloom a gal probably isn't enough. I know you don't have Flora Gro if you're on the Lucas formula, but if you get it, it might help. The full strength per gal is 8ml Micro, and 16ml bloom. So you're feeding them at 1/8th strength. I'd move it up to 1/4 strength, see how they respond after a few waterings of that, and then if move up to 1/2 strength for one watering.. then maybe alternate 1/4 and 1/2 strength. When you get into bloom obviously you wanna juice em up.

That's a great pic for diagnostics theGreenHornet! Can you up a higher resolution version or provide a link to the source? Thanks

Sorry dude, I looked around online and can't find another one, but it is titled "Abundancy and Deficiency of Fertilization Elements".. I originally saved this off a grow thread I was reading a few months ago. (Glad I did now). If you save it, and view it in Adobe or something you might be able to zoom in, and check it out more closely. -That's what I do. Good luck brotha, let me know when you juice em with that 1/4 strength Lizucas.

didnt say 1 ml per gal i said 1 tsp per gal..... wich is about 5 ml per gal i think... i i just bought all three of the floras before reading i only needed two lol. coulda put that money into a ppm meter or a blunti

Ok my bad. In that case are you using filtered water, or tap? hardwater can cause a bunch of problems, the chlorine and fluoride are the killers, Ca and Mg aren't, and those are probably the main additives found in your water, depending on what part of the country, and what country you are in lol. Forgot this was international! Ne wayz, I'd try giving them some store bought filtered water for awhile and see how they respond.. and if you haven't already given them so gro, its got some good stuff in there for em. Make sure you add the nutes BEFORE pH balancing.. its 101 but a lot of people overlook little things like that.. Flora series automatically (somewhat) evens out pH.

i do run tap water n i never actually thought that could be a problem. i need to test it once i get a ppm meter( wich should make growing go a lot more smooth). ill see wussup wit some filtered water get 5 gals for 1.25 so not a bad investment. i have yet to give it any gro cuz i put a shit ton of micro but ill try when i change out the rez.

also anybody have any exp with using floralicious plus in hydro? i got a bottle of it lyin around that i dont use.

how has it been going dude? I havent heard from ya in awhile and I was interested in your thread because I had some of the same problems.. reoccurring actually - with my new batch of clones. the bottom dead/drying out leaves... same problem here. anyways how did that store bought work out?