so many grower's have posted buds in week 5 or 6 and clamed there only 2weeks

Lol you guys are funny.

What your all over looking is the only thing that matters. Actual genetic maturity. The maturity of the genetics is going to impact when it begins to flower just as much as when you flip the lights. That's why it takes weeks for plants grown 12/12 from seed to begin to actually flower they must veg and mature to a set point in the genetics before they will bud.

The transition period doesn't effect how long it takes for a plant to mature but it is going to take longer if the plant is immature. This is where the confusion happens. If you only flower fully matured plants or fully matured and growing clones then the transition is only a few days and there is no need to worry much about it. However if you flower immature, poorly growing or stressed plants it will take the transition much longer to occur and will in fact skew your flowering times. This is why many people see faster times the second or third time they run a strain.

I really don't care when people count from, It doesn't matter when you start to count or what the grower you got the clone from said. It's going to be different in your garden, and it doesn't matter if it's a noob grower or an experienced grower. The same clones will grow differently in different gardens. Thus I feel it's silly to be focused on harvesting based on any arbitrary time frame.

I tell everyone the same thing just harvest when the plant is actually mature.

^ Ding ding ding ding.

So do you sit there with a microscope looking for the first signs of flowering, or is there a certain size flower or density of flowers you're looking for before you officially start counting days flowering? Can you tell me the exact day it "actually started flowering" with any real precision? It's really just a guess.

"When flowering actually starts" is when you flip the lights.

It might not sound like it at first, but this is a hockey stick argument. You are trying to find the "turning point" in the hockey stick, but there is none. You only know when it begins, not when it 'turns the corner'.

Lmao if you can't look at a plant and tell with in 2-3 days that it has started to flower I'm sorry.

It's pretty easy to tell when a plant begins to stack it's nodes and push out pistils. My batch of clones I put into my flower room last week just started yesterday based on how they looked when I was in the garden.

Your missing my point though this isn't an arguement at all. How you count doesn't matter and harvesting based on an arbitrary day is silly. It's also the main cause of noobs harvesting to early!

Random day: "Is that a pistil?"
Next day: "Yup, that's a pistil."

Bam! Flowering.

ganjarules106 said:

Not saying any body on this Forum has done this or dose this but i wold I like to see some real images of a plant that is 2weel from 12/12 unless it's just me. because after 2weeks i have beraly got pistals staring hope i haven't upset any one with this post

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Theres no way for you to accurately determine whether theyre telling the truth or not; Maybe if you keep seeing plants that look the same at 5-6 weeks, they are really 5-6 weeks. so yes, its probably just you.

playermic said:

Theres no way for you to accurately determine whether theyre telling the truth or not; Maybe if you keep seeing plants that look the same at 5-6 weeks, they are really 5-6 weeks. so yes, its probably just you.

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Some of the differences will depend on strain and lighting, I had posted mine at Day 19 of 12/12 back on page 3, the one strain shoots out flowers within days of the flip, the other is a bit slower. However, this is under a recent switch to CMH. Under LED's I was running before that, it would have taken 28 - 30 days to get to that size, hps probably 22-24, CMH flowers much faster than any lighting I've used.

No Playermic I meant that some people are saying there 2 weeks in from 12-12 but really their in week 5-6 just to make out that there better growers or something and was just a bit tired of growers doing this and would like to see some real images. I understand that different gardens,lights, nutes, additives , methods of growing and that grower's do every thing different and this is why i started this thread.

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GroErr said:

Some of the differences will depend on strain and lighting, I had posted mine at Day 19 of 12/12 back on page 3, the one strain shoots out flowers within days of the flip, the other is a bit slower. However, this is under a recent switch to CMH. Under LED's I was running before that, it would have taken 28 - 30 days to get to that size, hps probably 22-24, CMH flowers much faster than any lighting I've used.

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Yes plants do differentiate in appearance due to strain and lighting, which reaffirms my point, when you are familiar with a certain phenotype/growth pattern of one strain that does not necessarily mean that all strains will look like that.- at that stage. Therefore, there is no way for you to accurately determine that people are lying about what week the plant is in.

WeekendSupervisor said:

Random day: "Is that a pistil?"
Next day: "Yup, that's a pistil."

Bam! Flowering.

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See thats not hard at all. All that is required is looking at the plants.

Thundercat said:

See thats not hard at all. All that is required is looking at the plants.

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No, looking at the plants does not, I repeat does not guarantee a exact determination of what week its flowering; different strains vary in appearance at different stages according to several factors, such as:
-Strain, as stated above
-grow conditions(amount/type of light, soil, environment)
-Grow medium(soil, inert mediums)
-Nutrients
Therefore, ganjarules106 does not know what he's talking about.- In re. to what week growers plants are really on..

I repeat it again if you can't look at the plants and tell when they are flowering I'm very sorry for you.

I've been growing for 10 years now, and have grown, cloned and flowered well over 40 strains/phenos in that time. Everything from 100% indicas to 100% sativas all kinds of hybrids in between. I understand there are many factors that impact how a plant begins to flower. I am also not some awesome pro grower that knows everything. I feel I can however tell you within a few day window whether a plant has truely started to flower. As could most average growers.

All those other factors are exactly why it makes no sense to count flowering time from the flip.

I suppose one big difference that has driven my pov, is that I run so many strains at once. I have to pay more attention to how each plant performs, I can't just put a blanket time frame on them all.

I'm far less concerned with any sort of arbitrary time frame and much more interested in harvesting mature plants WHENEVER they decide they are done.

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I repeat it again if you can't look at the plants and tell when they are flowering I'm very sorry for you.

I've been growing for 10 years now, and have grown, cloned and flowered well over 40 strains/phenos in that time. Everything from 100% indicas to 100% sativas all kinds of hybrids in between. I understand there are many factors that impact how a plant begins to flower. I am also not some awesome pro grower that knows everything. I feel I can however tell you within a few day window whether a plant has truely started to flower. As could most average growers.

All those other factors are exactly why it makes no sense to count flowering time from the flip.

I suppose one big difference that has driven my pov, is that I run so many strains at once. I have to pay more attention to how each plant performs, I can't just put a blanket time frame on them all.

I'm far less concerned with any sort of arbitrary time frame and much more interested in harvesting mature plants WHENEVER they decide they are done.

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No, don't take my words out of context, I simply stated that you can not visually -exactly determine the stage of flowering its in due to variations in strain growth characteristics, for example:
-some strains appear to be 5-6 weeks in, when they are in fact 2 weeks as the grower claims...-due to accelerated growth rates

Well I've never seen a plant at 2 weeks that looked like a plant at 5-6 weeks...not in a real grow. 99% of the time it's the other way around. Growers have plants "that have been flowering for 5-6 weeks" but only look like 2 week old buds. The reasons for which have been discussed thouroughly.