Snake Oil, Horticultural Myths, Horticultural Urban Legends, and Persuaders

cannawizard

cannawizard

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Uncle Ben said:
Written by one of the best, Jim Downer, Ph.D from the University of Davis, California. Read it an weep. :mrgreen:

http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/Topics_in_Subtropics39882.pdf
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**thnx for the read UB.. my insomnia thnx you too... lol :)

--i like what they said about CTs.. kept it real, the research is inconclusive since there so many ("variables") to account for.. but this 'shit' works for me.. and i am
diligently documenting what i can (using the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) ..and following Dr. Inghams / and her colleagues work as well..

--cheers
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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cannawizard said:
**thnx for the read UB.. my insomnia thnx you too... lol :)

--i like what they said about CTs.. kept it real, the research is inconclusive since there so many ("variables") to account for.. but this 'shit' works for me.. and i am
diligently documenting what i can (using the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) ..and following Dr. Inghams / and her colleagues work as well..

--cheers
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Excuse my ignorance, but what's a CT?

He about covers it all in the context that this issue should be covered.....the nuances, the spin, the "what ifs". Interesting take on mycorrhizal fungi too. Don't get me wrong, I've spent a lot of money trying different products and found most if not all are useless. At least I can draw my own conclusions now.

Uncle Ben
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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Uncle Ben said:
Excuse my ignorance, but what's a CT?

He about covers it all in the context that this issue should be covered.....the nuances, the spin, the "what ifs". Interesting take on mycorrhizal fungi too. Don't get me wrong, I've spent a lot of money trying different products and found most if not all are useless. At least I can draw my own conclusions now.

Uncle Ben
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**sorry for my frequent use of acronyms :P hehe, CT = compost tea

--cheers
 
Beansly

Beansly

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Great find UB, thank you.
I especially liked what it said about adding rocks for better drainage hehe. The things it said about mycorrhiza, pruning, compost teas and b-1 vitamin was all very interesting. About b-1:
“It is now certain, however, that additions of vitamin B1 to intact growing plants have no significant or useful place in horticultural or agricultural practice”
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Tea, got it.

Beansly said:
Great find UB, thank you.
I especially liked what it said about adding rocks for better drainage hehe. The things it said about mycorrhiza, pruning, compost teas and b-1 vitamin was all very interesting. About b-1:
“It is now certain, however, that additions of vitamin B1 to intact growing plants have no significant or useful place in horticultural or agricultural practice”
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I did a thread here called "Superthrive or Superjive". Funny, though, I still use it but there have been quite a few Aggie experts that are into forest replanting that tell folks to save their money.
 
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Afka

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Ever try two seed trays, one innoculated at sowing with a tsp of mycorhizal fungi and one without? You'll see the different when you re-pick them to their cell trays.
His article is about transplanting in native soil. He says it MAY be a waste of resources because they MAY already be present in your soil.

He says CT research is inconclusive, not snake oil. Besides, Compost tea costs nothing.

And you use superthrive? Lol? Aren't you full of contradictions.
 
elduece

elduece

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Oh my friggen god We no longer can trust those in the oil industry or the DOE and now we can't trust the horti-hydro industry? What has our world come to? :lol:
 
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tommysalami

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Maybe its already been discussed elsewhere, if it has please direct me how to find it. Uncle Ben, you've obviously got the experience and proven results. What seems to work the best for you? This questions spans the entire spectrum from cloning, nutes, lighting, soil mixture etc. I understand its alot to ask but ive been reading this section of the forum for a while now and there seems to be alot of mixed feelings on your advice but i want it anyway. Fuck the haters, results are the only thing that speaks and thats what im after.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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tommysalami said:
Maybe its already been discussed elsewhere, if it has please direct me how to find it. Uncle Ben, you've obviously got the experience and proven results. What seems to work the best for you? This questions spans the entire spectrum from cloning, nutes, lighting, soil mixture etc. I understand its alot to ask but ive been reading this section of the forum for a while now and there seems to be alot of mixed feelings on your advice but i want it anyway. Fuck the haters, results are the only thing that speaks and thats what im after.
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I don't speak for UB, but imo the best advice you can follow is the KISS method.

Complete nutes, lots of light, lots of fresh air, well aerated soil, a drop of water and a little bit of time and love is generally all plants need.

For cloning just dip in a rooting hormone and plant in damp soil...you don't even really need the hormone, a glass of water will do, but it's much slower.

Not much more to it really.
 
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tommysalami

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Harrekin said:
I don't speak for UB, but imo the best advice you can follow is the KISS method.

Complete nutes, lots of light, lots of fresh air, well aerated soil, a drop of water and a little bit of time and love is generally all plants need.

For cloning just dip in a rooting hormone and plant in damp soil...you don't even really need the hormone, a glass of water will do, but it's much slower.

Not much more to it really.
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This has always been my motto. KISS has always been my rule to the death. Proved me well so far except for cloning. Almost positive its my temps but thats beside the point. Im all about learning from others experiences so im more or less just curious to know what ben has learned from his experiance. Ill never pass up a chance to listen.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Uncle Ben said:
Your world has come to this. http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html

I'll take Monsanto any day. ;)
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Holy horse-shit...I read that whole link and it's truely shocking.

The amount of people on here who use Bushmaster and Gravity (and then ironically post about how their stuff is more pure cos they flush...).

Why isn't this info plastered everywhere? The mentioned products are literally "loop-hole legal" poison in a bottle.

EDIT: And for the record the article made me go and look up the MSDS for my Canna ferts, they're safe but I always assumed all products on sale would be, guess "Dutchmaster" proved me wrong. Cheers again UB.
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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Harrekin said:
Holy horse-shit...I read that whole link and it's truely shocking.

The amount of people on here who use Bushmaster and Gravity (and then ironically post about how their stuff is more pure cos they flush...).

Why isn't this info plastered everywhere? The mentioned products are literally "loop-hole legal" poison in a bottle.

EDIT: And for the record the article made me go and look up the MSDS for my Canna ferts, they're safe but I always assumed all products on sale would be, guess "Dutchmaster" proved me wrong. Cheers again UB.
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**wtf.. how can they get away with that..?? weird... i just saw (flower dragon) @t my local hydro shop, and in mags too... selling poisons, eehhh... nothing new over here... /facepalm
 
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